# Lost 2.7 "The Other 48 Days" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 16, 2005, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379 "2005-11-16T20:37:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2005, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/41 "2005-11-17T04:45:42Z")
> [@Wile E](#): > > Damn all the TV networks all to hell. I am not crazy about the shows preceeding Lost so I watched something else before 9. I figured I’d switch over right at the end of the other show and even if Lost had started they’d still be showing what happened previously, like they always do. But nooooo! I switch over and they are already running and screaming on the beach. I looked at the clock and it was 9:03, so that other dame network ran over. The episode opened with a scene of the beach, looking out over the water, nice, serence, peaceful… waves crashing… stayed like that for about 10 seconds or so. Then… roaring sound starts to get louder, and debris flies from the upper left corner of the screen into the shot, followed by the tail section (from the same direction) shooting down into the shot and into the water. Then scenes of chaos, starting with Ana Lucia in the water… looking around getting her bearings… other survivors swimming to the shore… Ana pulling somebody else to shore. Shaky camera the whole time. Sounds like you jumped into the middle of that. ---
**Author:** ![UncleRojelio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/unclerojelio/32/3160_2.png) [@UncleRojelio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleRojelio)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2005, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/42 "2005-11-17T04:50:24Z")
Why the hell are the tailies so terrified of the others? Apparently, all you have to do is smack them with a rock or poke them with a sharp stick to kill them. They aren’t all that super sneaky. Seems like to me that when Eko saw the kids walking in the forest, he coulda just hopped out, smacked anyone he didn’t recognise and taken the kids back. Lame. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2005, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/43 "2005-11-17T04:58:00Z")
> [@](#): > > Why the hell are the tailies so terrified of the others? Apparently, all you have to do is smack them with a rock or poke them with a sharp stick to kill them. They aren’t all that super sneaky. Seems like to me that when Eko saw the kids walking in the forest, he coulda just hopped out, smacked anyone he didn’t recognise and taken the kids back. Lame. Really, the survivors were apparently able to kill three of them with nothing more than rocks. Four, if Goodwin was another one. If these people had enough brains to post a couple of sentries every night, the Others problem would be over. And if these are the others, how did they grab Cindy (assuming they did)? It wasn’t like a gang of people had a chance to walk up and drag her away without being noticed. ---
**Author:** ![Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a9a28c/32.png) [@Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oslo_Ostragoth)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2005, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/44 "2005-11-17T05:12:46Z")
> [@UncleRojelio](#): > > Why the hell are the tailies so terrified of the others? Apparently, all you have to do is smack them with a rock or poke them with a sharp stick to kill them. They aren’t all that super sneaky. Seems like to me that when Eko saw the kids walking in the forest, he coulda just hopped out, smacked anyone he didn’t recognise and taken the kids back. Lame. Are you referring to when Jin and Eko saw the dirty feet and teddy bear? I think that was an Other with the bear, not a kid. ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2005, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/45 "2005-11-17T05:14:02Z")
> [@UncleRojelio](#): > > Why the hell are the tailies so terrified of the others? Apparently, all you have to do is smack them with a rock or poke them with a sharp stick to kill them. Well, if you were up against an enemy who could take your group at a ratio of IIRC 7:1 (am I remembering correctly that they took 5 in the first raid and 9 in the second? 14 Tailies to 2 Others, 7:1), you might be a little scared too. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2005, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/46 "2005-11-17T05:14:54Z")
> [@](#): > > Some useful links are given below. > > Thread index for Season 1 Episodes: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 > > Thread index for Season 2 Episodes: 1 2 3 4 5 6 > > The Official Lost Jargon Thread > > Official “Lost” Questions Thread, Season 1 > > Official “Lost” Questions Thread, Season 2 How come all the other Lost threads get linked to and my [Who’s Who on Lost](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=340981) thread didn’t? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2005, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/47 "2005-11-17T05:18:48Z")
And unless we assume it’s definite (and what on this show is definite?) that Ethan and Goodwin are part of the same group, we now have sixteen distinct groups on the island. We could probably combine the main survivors and the tail survivors together into one group at this point, but I think we should wait to see how the next episode works out. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Fire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e4f/32.png) [@Silver\_Fire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Fire)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2005, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/48 "2005-11-17T05:22:17Z")
> [@Wile E](#): > > When Nathan said he was from Canada, I knew he wasn’t the mole because they were making it look too obvious that he was. The red shirt tipped me off. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2005, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/49 "2005-11-17T05:32:50Z")
Were the numbers represented in the days? (Day 8, day 15, etc…) ---
**Author:** ![edwino](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/35a633/32.png) [@edwino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/edwino)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2005, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/50 "2005-11-17T05:44:55Z")
After spending a bunch of time in the hospital, it strikes me how well CPR works on this island. Rose, Charlie, and the girl kid. Especially Charlie – there is no conceivable way IRL that CPR would have worked like that. Doubtful for Rose, perhaps for the girl if she had just drowned. CPR will resuscitate someone around 2% of the time IIRC. Makes me wonder if this is “movie CPR” that always works or if there is something else up here. ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2005, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/51 "2005-11-17T06:22:56Z")
The chest compressions are not supposed to be done with just one hand, either, as I recall from CPR class. Anyway…I really don’t care much more for Ana than I did before, either. I liked the ep. though. Nothing wrong with some new faces. Who the heck is the guy playing Bernard, though? He looks very familiar. I’m intrigued by what Goodwin said about who The Others took, and why. “Nathan wasn’t a good person; that’s why he wasn’t on the list.” What is a “good” person, then? Apparently it doesn’t have to mean a person of good character. I assume that he means useful in some way. And how are the abducted kids “better off” ? Better off dead, or what? ---
**Author:** ![edwino](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/35a633/32.png) [@edwino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/edwino)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2005, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/52 "2005-11-17T06:38:06Z")
I think it is pretty obvious that the Others seem to be nurturing the abductees into their lifestyle. And much like the Liberian Civil War, their crack fighters seem to be child soldiers. Apparently, the training is not difficult as the kids were converted in about 30 days, assuming the one dragging the teddy was the same one from the beach. My guess is by “good”, Goodwin meant “good” for said conversion. Did we get another name for Goodwin? Anyone started on the anagrams yet? I Go Down? God Won I? I Now God? ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2005, 6:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/53 "2005-11-17T06:39:56Z")
Soooo… I hereby theorize that Ana-Lucia is _not_ the one who killed Shannon. AFAICR, none of the relevant scenes actually show the tailies in the same scene with Sayid and Shannon. If anyone’s recorded the two episodes, please watch these scenes and confirm or disconfirm: Do we ever see them all together in one screen, or are they separate scenes intercut together? I think the latter, and this strikes me as strange and makes me wonder if I’m being misled. Also, in these final scenes from tonight’s episode, it _seems_ as though after we see AL fire a shot, the next camera cut (or one of the next camera cuts) has the purpose of showing us the result of her handiwork–and what we see is empty forest–as though she had shot at nothing or had shot and missed something that moved too fast for her. This impression is reinforced by Michael’s crying out 'What was that?!" A strange thing to cry out if you just saw a buddy get shot and knew exactly what killed her–but something it would make sense to cry out if there was something that had been shot at but which escaped injury in some hard-to-see-or-understand way. Ana-Lucia’s line from the preview “I killed someone he loves” can be explained so interestingly-yet-neatly-and-easily in terms other than her shooting Shannon, that explaining the line almost feels like to me like further evidence for this claim, rather than just an attempt to stave off arguments against it. Anyway, the explanation is: Ana-Lucia has some kind of military/paramilitary background, and was involved in the death of Sayid’s lady friend a picture of whom he was carrying around in past episodes. Sayid knows this. Therefore, he hates her. And she knows this. See? This ties so much together from past episodes regarding both events which have been alluded to _and_ unresolved questions about why certain people behave the way they do, that it seems like this really might be what’s going on! Anyway… just an idea. -FrL- ---
**Author:** ![Flutterby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Flutterby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flutterby)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2005, 6:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/54 "2005-11-17T06:40:23Z")
> [@PastAllReason](#): > > Well that was quite the end. And interestingly in Canada it ended on time. Either we had fewer commercials or scenes got snipped. Commercials got snipped, as did the preview for next week. I nearly flaked then I turned it to ABC and caught it (which is REALLY odd as I thought I was watching ABC. I find if I watch ABC sometimes I’m really lucky and get the Canadian preview then the American one once it switches back to the ABC feed). At first when she picked on Nathan I was thinking “What is it with guys from Canada and names ending in ‘than’? Should I be very wary of anyone I meet with a ‘than’ name now?” then of course Nathan was killed. Not sure why I didn’t get the obviousness of that, I blame it on still being dizzy from my cold. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2005, 6:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/55 "2005-11-17T06:42:58Z")
> [@vivalostwages](#): > > Who the heck is the guy playing Bernard, though? He looks very familiar. Plenty of places you might recognize him from – he’s had more TV guest appearances than films. Pretty extensive list of credits, too: [Sam Anderson](http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0027402/) ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2005, 6:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/56 "2005-11-17T06:45:38Z")
My wife tells me AL is a cop, rather than military. I didn’t catch that. However, she also says she thinks she remembers that Nadia was supposed to have ended up in the US. (My memory is hazy.) So if that’s right, then my theory still could work… -FrL- ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2005, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/57 "2005-11-17T06:46:41Z")
> [@UncleRojelio](#): > > Why the hell are the tailies so terrified of the others? Apparently, all you have to do is smack them with a rock or poke them with a sharp stick to kill them. Good point – while they grabbed a bunch of tailies in the raid, their primary success is the element of surprise. Grab while they are sleeping. And yet Ana Lucia and Co. seem terrified of them in broad daylight while travelling through the forest (in the previous ep. with Jin, Sawyer, Michael). And how do they know that the whispers are some sort of signal of the others? There was nothing in this episode with the whispers until the very end, with the recap from the previous week’s events. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2005, 6:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/58 "2005-11-17T06:54:10Z")
> [@vivalostwages](#): > > The chest compressions are not supposed to be done with just one hand, either, as I recall from CPR class. Juvenile CPR should be done with one hand so you don’t crush the chest. Your CPR class may not have covered juveniles and infants. I find Frylock’s conjecture very interesting. It goes along with my theory that Shannon is not dead. If AL is talking about someone else she killed that fits. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2005, 6:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/59 "2005-11-17T06:54:45Z")
Man, we had Michael on screen for at least twenty whole seconds there at the end and not one WAAAAAAAALLT. ---
**Author:** ![panamajack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/47e85d/32.png) [@panamajack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panamajack)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2005, 6:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/60 "2005-11-17T06:56:00Z")
I’ve forgotten, was it ever explained how Rose & Bernard were separated on the plane? He must have been sitting in another row, right? He was strapped in when they found him, with dead body on his right, I think (maybe he had gone to the back and strapped himself in when the plane started going down). I know Rose was in 23D, across from where Jack ended up in 23C. Was it me, or were there fewer commercials? I thought it was missing one break. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379.md?page=4)