# Lost 2.7 "The Other 48 Days" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 16, 2005, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379 "2005-11-16T20:37:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2005, 7:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/61 "2005-11-17T07:00:41Z")
> [@panamajack](#): > > I’ve forgotten, was it ever explained how Rose & Bernard were separated on the plane? He had gone back to the lavatory. I presume that when the turbulence started, he sat down and strapped in to a nearby seat in the back. ---
**Author:** ![Flutterby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Flutterby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flutterby)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2005, 7:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/62 "2005-11-17T07:11:46Z")
> [@panamajack](#): > > I’ve forgotten, was it ever explained how Rose & Bernard were separated on the plane? > > He must have been sitting in another row, right? He was strapped in when they found him, with dead body on his right, I think (maybe he had gone to the back and strapped himself in when the plane started going down). > > I know Rose was in 23D, across from where Jack ended up in 23C. > > Was it me, or were there fewer commercials? I thought it was missing one break. He went to the bathroom at the back because Charlie was in the front. Just before the turbulence hit Rose was looking towards the back. I’m betting once it started shaking like that he just sat in the first empty seat he came to and buckled up. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2005, 7:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/63 "2005-11-17T07:27:30Z")
> [@Frylock](#): > > Also, in these final scenes from tonight’s episode, it _seems_ as though after we see AL fire a shot, the next camera cut (or one of the next camera cuts) has the purpose of showing us the result of her handiwork–and what we see is empty forest–as though she had shot at nothing or had shot and missed something that moved too fast for her. Huh? I saw her fire her gun, and then shannon clutching her wound. Seemed pretty clear. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2005, 8:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/64 "2005-11-17T08:31:18Z")
> [@](#): > > It goes along with my theory that Shannon is not dead. I was another person thinking Shannon’s apparent death might be a fake by the producers. But one of them did an interview this week and said she really was killed. He also said fans of the show shouldn’t be trying to read so much into minor details and that many of them don’t mean anything. Well, whose fault is it if we do? ---
**Author:** ![marymargaret](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@marymargaret](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marymargaret)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2005, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/65 "2005-11-17T12:39:35Z")
So, do most of you like Ana-Lucia any better after this episode? I’m still on the fence. ---
**Author:** ![UncleRojelio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/unclerojelio/32/3160_2.png) [@UncleRojelio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleRojelio)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2005, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/66 "2005-11-17T13:03:48Z")
> [@Otto](#): > > Well, if you were up against an enemy who could take your group at a ratio of IIRC 7:1 (am I remembering correctly that they took 5 in the first raid and 9 in the second? 14 Tailies to 2 Others, 7:1), you might be a little scared too. Both times that the tailies have encountered them, they came at night, and took them by surprise because the tailies did not post a guard. We saw no evidence of their uber-sneakiness or any other uber-mad-skillz. In fact, they appear to be fairly inept. Definetly not worthy of the reputation we have been lead to believe they should have. ---
**Author:** ![Askia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/96bed5/32.png) [@Askia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askia)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2005, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/67 "2005-11-17T13:14:42Z")
While I was never so firmly on the I-hate-Ana-Lucia bandwagon as some of you have loudly proclaimed to be-- it’s not so much a matter of “I like her better” as I definitely feel I understand her and am more sympathetic to her character a bit better now. She was even more reluctant to be thrown in a leadership role than Jack was, she felt sick and guilty over what happened after the second raid that took the kids when she was talked into staying on the beach; was forced to kill an Other with a rock and found the list that suggested they were betrayed; that her gut instincts told her to distrust Nathan and that turned out to be wrong; and when she finally tumbled on to Goodwin being the bad guy and she had to kill him, too. She still doesn’t have the full confidence of her group the way Jack does over his lostaways. I liked Mr. Eko. His slow turn to be a warrior was nicely done, particularly his terrifically understated 40 days of silence after he killed three Others with a freaking rock, as well as his scene in the bunker clutching that Bible he found. I’m much more intrigued by his potential backstory than anyone else’s from the tailies (except maybe Libby’s.) I’m still not sure whether or not Libby isn’t somehow involved in this. The absence of pre-Island character developing flashbacks in this episode was nice, if a little disconcerting. I was hoping for a few scenes of the tailies in the plane, and maybe a little more concrete background on Ana Lucia. I agree The Others definitely got the short end of the stick in this episode as being built up as a credible threat. Mr. Eko took out, what, three by himself the first night? Ana Lucia killed one, too, at the second raid? With rocks! Not even with the weapons they made! The only thing that seems to point to The Other’s ‘mad skillz’ is their unsettling ability to appear and disappear into the jungle while sprinting off with nine people. But heck, we didn’t even hear the roar of the Tree Crashing Monster or than damned eerie whispering the whole time! ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2005, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/68 "2005-11-17T13:16:24Z")
> [@marymargaret](#): > > So, do most of you like Ana-Lucia any better after this episode? I’m still on the fence. I understand her a little more. She has more depth that just the Royal Bitch she was portrayed before, she’s scared and trying to hold a dwindling group together. We know the little boy with the teddy bear was not Walt, but was the one Jin and Mistereko saw. The last four minutes were a rip-off, though. Extended episode my ass. They just added on some previous scenes and made me miss the beginning of Law and Order (although from what I’ve heard, it wasn’t one of their better episodes. I have it on tape.) ---
**Author:** ![Trunk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/87869e/32.png) [@Trunk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trunk)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2005, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/69 "2005-11-17T13:24:46Z")
> [@Little Nemo](#): > > He also said fans of the show shouldn’t be trying to read so much into minor details and that many of them don’t mean anything. Well, whose fault is it if we do? The problem is fans who can’t discern when the producers are actually trying to tell you something. “US Army” written on a knife is something to ponder. Whether the girl who took a bullet to the chest is dead, is not. They practically made press releases about it last week: “Shannon killed on Lost” was a headline at Yahoo news. Anyway, I was getting worried they were really going to string out these “tailie” episodes, so I really felt satisfied that they brought it up to “now” in this episode. Nothing too superfluous. No redundant flashbacks. Great opening scene. My favorites episode this year, for sure. ---
**Author:** ![Turek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/turek/32/18782_2.png) [@Turek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Turek)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2005, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/70 "2005-11-17T13:51:04Z")
> [@Askia](#): > > She was even more reluctant to be thrown in a leadership role than Jack was, she felt sick and guilty over what happened after the second raid that took the kids when she was talked into staying on the beach; was forced to kill an Other with a rock and found the list that suggested they were betrayed; that her gut instincts told her to distrust Nathan and that turned out to be wrong; and when she finally tumbled on to Goodwin being the bad guy and she had to kill him, too. She still doesn’t have the full confidence of her group the way Jack does over his lostaways. I didn’t sense \*any \* reluctance on her part to taking command. Just a complete lack of skill at it. She seems to be from the “Growl at them until they do what you tell them to do because by god you know better than them” school of leadership. ---
**Author:** ![Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tapioca_Dextrin)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2005, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/71 "2005-11-17T14:06:55Z")
Dis anyone else notice that Mr. Eko didn’t speak for 40 days? Is he going to turn into a saviour of some sort? (qv Jesus and/or Mohammed spending 40 days in the wilderness) ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2005, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/72 "2005-11-17T14:11:25Z")
A couple of things we did learn: 1. the Dharma logo in the hatch was an arrow pointing “up”. 2. The chest contained a blanket, a bible, a glass eye and a radio. 3. The US Army Knife… I dont think that is much to ponder, but I’ll give credit to the post above, that may be something we need to know. Any good gamer recognizes the above to be absolutely neccessary… that glass eye will come in handy when: The captain from the other’s boat comes to claim it CPR seems to work better on this island then elsewhere… I’ll give the good Doctor his props with Rose, as he would definitely be the ‘best’ person to do it right… but the scene with AL… she didn’t check the airway, she didn’t position the neck/head properly… basically, she got lucky. I also took it that the ‘others’ were taking select people based on some criteria… I don’t think for nefarious reasons much beyond potentially creating a control group or some such… What’s more interesting to me is that the “others” _never_ took anyone from the losties… Claire being the exception. Did they not ‘know’ about the losties, or are they just all “bad”? ---
**Author:** ![Trion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ccd318/32.png) [@Trion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trion)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2005, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/73 "2005-11-17T14:17:27Z")
> [@simster](#): > > What’s more interesting to me is that the “others” _never_ took anyone from the losties… Claire being the exception. > > Did they not ‘know’ about the losties, or are they just all “bad”? I noticed that too. I do think they knew about our guys from Ethan much like the others know about AL’s group through Goodwin. So the only “good” person from that group was Claire and her baby. And Walt, though he may have been taken for other reasons. Interesting. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Chao\_Goes\_Mu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_chao_goes_mu/32/3191_2.png) [@The\_Chao\_Goes\_Mu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Chao_Goes_Mu)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2005, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/74 "2005-11-17T14:18:22Z")
> [@Tapioca Dextrin](#): > > Dis anyone else notice that Mr. Eko didn’t speak for 40 days? Is he going to turn into a saviour of some sort? (qv Jesus and/or Mohammed spending 40 days in the wilderness) Nah, he’s the Tailies equivalent to Locke. Take from that what you will. His forty days of silence were to mourn the “Others” that he killed and they are for spiritual reflection. Notice how quikly he has become The Island Warrior (like Locke.) ---
**Author:** ![Nars\_Glinley](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nars_glinley/32/8177_2.png) [@Nars\_Glinley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nars_Glinley)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2005, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/75 "2005-11-17T14:27:40Z")
> [@vivalostwages](#): > > Anyway…I really don’t care much more for Ana than I did before, either. I liked the ep. though. Nothing wrong with some new faces. Who the heck is the guy playing Bernard, though? He looks very familiar. If you’re a Trekkie/Trekker, you probably remember him from TNG episode of The Royale. He plays the assistant manager of the casino. ---
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2005, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/76 "2005-11-17T14:28:46Z")
> [@Askia](#): > > I’m still not sure whether or not Libby isn’t somehow involved in this. > > The absence of pre-Island character developing flashbacks in this episode was nice, if a little disconcerting. I was hoping for a few scenes of the tailies in the plane, and maybe a little more concrete background on Ana Lucia. > > … She did seem a bit suspicious when she was talking to Eko and AL at different times. It seemed like she might have been trying to spur AL into doing something to Nathan. Then again she did say that she’s a clinical psychologist and they tend to be weird, so maybe she was just being a normal psychologist? ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2005, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/77 "2005-11-17T14:49:02Z")
> [@edwino](#): > > Makes me wonder if this is “movie CPR” that always works or if there is something else up here. If the Island can make the crippled walk, it can certainly start up a stopped heart. Fighting infections, not so good, apparently. ---
**Author:** ![JohnGalt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johngalt/32/184_2.png) [@JohnGalt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnGalt)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2005, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/78 "2005-11-17T14:51:55Z")
It wasn’t CPR that AL was performing, it was chest compressions to remove airway obstructions- think Heimlich maneuver done on the ground. You push on the chest to force something out of the windpipe or lungs, not to restart the heart. It just looks like CPR. I got dizzy watching this on my DVR. When they faded to black, that’s usually the signal to skip past commercials, but this episode had so many fades to the next day it was hard to focus. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2005, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/79 "2005-11-17T14:59:23Z")
> [@JohnGalt](#): > > It wasn’t CPR that AL was performing, it was chest compressions to remove airway obstructions- think Heimlich maneuver done on the ground. You push on the chest to force something out of the windpipe or lungs, not to restart the heart. It just looks like CPR. I’ll give you that as a possibility… except the “water shower” didnt happen on response to a compression… and I would think “attmepting to breathe but blocked” would look different… She still broke the basic CPR procedures for the situation. As for their seeming fear during the daytime… by this point you can assume they have been running on less and less sleep, and possibly hearing voices… but none of that was shown… They were clearly very afraid and willing to shoot at anyone wearing a pink shirt shouting WAAAAAALLLLTTTT! ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2005, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/80 "2005-11-17T15:13:40Z")
> [@vivalostwages](#): > > Who the heck is the guy playing Bernard, though? He looks very familiar. He’s got 126 IMDB TV listings, including Holland Masters in _Angel_ (head of Wolfram & Hart), and recurring roles on E.R. and LA Law. Great bit-part actor. Comes in, does his stuff, and lets the big stars shine. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379.md?page=5)