# Lost 2.7 "The Other 48 Days" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 16, 2005, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379 "2005-11-16T20:37:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2005, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/81 "2005-11-17T15:20:15Z")
> [@vivalostwages](#): > > Who the heck is the guy playing Bernard, though? He looks very familiar. Maybe as Holland Manners of Wolfram & Hart on _Angel._ As for AL…nope, I still hate her and want her dead, soon. Painfully. With malice aforethought. ---
**Author:** ![Draelin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ce73a5/32.png) [@Draelin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Draelin)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2005, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/82 "2005-11-17T15:37:51Z")
So, looking at the guest stars listed on the [IMDb](http://imdb.com/title/tt0411008/guests) for the next two episodes … Both “Matthew Reed” and the Assistant D.A. are scheduled for both weeks. What are the odds that former cop Analucia busted Kate somwhere along the line? ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2005, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/83 "2005-11-17T15:38:28Z")
So did the Others somehow bring down the plane intentionally? Otherwise, how were they ready so quickly with infiltrators for both groups of survivors? And how did they have a ready list of the “good” people? And if they did bring down the plane, how did they attract the plane to that specific location? ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2005, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/84 "2005-11-17T15:45:56Z")
> [@Little Nemo](#): > > I was another person thinking Shannon’s apparent death might be a fake by the producers. But one of them did an interview this week and said she really was killed. > > He also said fans of the show shouldn’t be trying to read so much into minor details and that many of them don’t mean anything. Well, whose fault is it if we do? I for one look at the preview and try to figure out how they are trying to screw with our heads. Someone saying ,“Shannon is dead” out of context might mean Shannon is \*as good as \* dead. The term “lost forever” does not need to mean dead. “I killed someone he loved” might mean yesterday or five years ago. So yes I read too much into everything and the surest way for the producers to mislead me is to put nothing misleading in the preview. About Mr Eko: wild speculation, I think he will turn out to be a current or former priest or minister. Nothing to base it on, he just seems to be a man of peace forced into violence. Maybe a violent man who became a man of peace only to be forced to return to his violent ways. Or not. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2005, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/85 "2005-11-17T15:52:15Z")
> [@spoke-](#): > > So did the Others somehow bring down the plane intentionally? Otherwise, how were they ready so quickly with infiltrators for both groups of survivors? And how did they have a ready list of the “good” people? AL said to Goodwin that he was probably spotted by Bernard in the forest and had to pretend to be a survivor because of that. He did not deny it. That makes it seem that his infiltration was not planned. The list did not show up for many days. I don’t remember which day, but it was plenty of time to gather intel. Besides they seem to be pretty screwy, maybe cultish. Maybe they can just look at someone and decide they are “good”? ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2005, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/86 "2005-11-17T15:52:42Z")
> [@Draelin](#): > > So, looking at the guest stars listed on the [IMDb](http://imdb.com/title/tt0411008/guests) for the next two episodes … Also, I notice that… Cindy is listed as guesting two episodes from now – “What Kate Did” – so perhaps we’ll find out why she disappeared during the rock climbing? ---
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2005, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/87 "2005-11-17T15:55:04Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > … > > About Mr Eko: wild speculation, I think he will turn out to be a current or former priest or minister. Nothing to base it on, he just seems to be a man of peace forced into violence. Maybe a violent man who became a man of peace only to be forced to return to his violent ways. Or not. Mr. Eko seemed very attached to the two kids that he rescued and visa versa. I wondered if he had actually been traveling with them as a bodyguard? I never heard anyone of them refer to each other by name though, but the kids seemed very trusting of him. Sure he rescued them and the kids were scared but you’d think they’d gravitate to a mother figure. ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2005, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/88 "2005-11-17T15:57:00Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > AL said to Goodwin that he was probably spotted by Bernard in the forest and had to pretend to be a survivor because of that. He did not deny it. Yes, but he didn’t confirm it either. Was Ethan also “spotted” and forced to infiltrate? Doesn’t seem likely. A planned infiltration of both groups best fits the evidence, in my opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2005, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/89 "2005-11-17T16:00:17Z")
> [@Askia](#): > > She was even more reluctant to be thrown in a leadership role than Jack was, she felt sick and guilty over what happened after the second raid that took the kids when she was talked into staying on the beach I didn’t really see her as reluctant to take the leadership role. In fact, she seemed more than eager to take on the job of leadership from the moment they all crawled onto the beach. Although you’re right, she did feel lots of guilt over the raid that took the kids. But why they didn’t start posting watches in shifts after the first raid… well that was just dumb on the part of the tailies. > [@](#): > > I liked Mr. Eko. His slow turn to be a warrior was nicely done, particularly his terrifically understated 40 days of silence after he killed three Others with a freaking rock, as well as his scene in the bunker clutching that Bible he found. I’m much more intrigued by his potential backstory than anyone else’s from the tailies (except maybe Libby’s.) Me too. I think he’s the most interesting character so far among the tail section group. > [@](#): > > I was hoping for a few scenes of the tailies in the plane, and maybe a little more concrete background on Ana Lucia. I haven’t seen any concrete word about upcoming flashbacks, but my guess is that next week’s will probably be on Ana Lucia. Mostly because the main conflict next week would naturally be between Sayid and Ana Lucia, so the flashbacks are likely to be on one of them. And the previews seemed to be focused more on AL’s point of view. ---
**Author:** ![tanstaafl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ba8739/32.png) [@tanstaafl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tanstaafl)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2005, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/90 "2005-11-17T16:00:22Z")
A few minor observations. The Dharma logo in the bunker shows an arrow. The one in the first bunker was a swan. Could the Dharma bases be named after constallations? (Swan = Cygnus, Arrow = Saggitarius (the archer)) Yeah, it’s hard to extrapolate from a sample of two, but… As for Eko and Locke I could point out **Eko** and L **o** c **ke** but I’m probably reaching with that one… 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Baldwin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baldwin/32/7264_2.png) [@Baldwin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baldwin)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2005, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/91 "2005-11-17T16:00:58Z")
The Others (dirty, barefoot Others) were a bit of a letdown; they don’t seem like that much of a threat to an organized group, except for their uncanny ability to quickly carry people off into the jungle. Since the Tailies were attacked their very first night, it’s nothing short of baffling that they didn’t take turns standing watch every night after that. When they were attacked again, I expected a scene where somebody was berated for falling asleep on watch. It almost seems as if the Others are divided into dirty, barefoot troops and a few, much more formidable operatives like Ethan and Goodwin. Ana Lucia does kind of seem like she might be a cop. Maybe not a good one. ---
**Author:** ![tanstaafl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ba8739/32.png) [@tanstaafl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tanstaafl)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2005, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/92 "2005-11-17T16:02:54Z")
> [@Monstre](#): > > I haven’t seen any concrete word about upcoming flashbacks, but my guess is that next week’s will probably be on Ana Lucia. Mostly because the main conflict next week would naturally be between Sayid and Ana Lucia, so the flashbacks are likely to be on one of them. And the previews seemed to be focused more on AL’s point of view. Nov 23 episode Title is “Collision” and is an Ana-Lucia flashback Nov 30 episode Title is “What Kate Did” and is (obviously) a Kate flashback ---
**Author:** ![Baldwin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baldwin/32/7264_2.png) [@Baldwin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baldwin)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2005, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/93 "2005-11-17T16:04:46Z")
> [@](#): > > The Dharma logo in the bunker shows an arrow. The one in the first bunker was a swan. Could the Dharma bases be named after constallations? (Swan = Cygnus, Arrow = Saggitarius (the archer)) Yeah, it’s hard to extrapolate from a sample of two, but… Well, there are so many references from mythology and legend on the show. When I saw the arrow, I thought of Jack’s hospital, St. Sebastian. In watching the DVD of the Season One closer, I noticed that Sawyer’s real name is apparently James Ford. Sawyer’s kind of an outlaw; the name suggests both Jesse James and Bob and Charlie Ford, who shot James. Maybe the writers are just playing games. ---
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2005, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/94 "2005-11-17T16:04:50Z")
> [@spoke-](#): > > Yes, but he didn’t confirm it either. Was Ethan also “spotted” and forced to infiltrate? Doesn’t seem likely. A planned infiltration of both groups best fits the evidence, in my opinion. If one or two lone survivors spotted an Other, I don’t think that would force the Other to pose as one of the survivors unless they wanted to do so. They could always disappear back into the woods and the survivors who spotted them probably wouldn’t even remember them later, especially after the initial craziness of the crash. Perhaps the Others just have some sort of protocol in the eventuality of this sort of thing? If you’re first to a crash pretend to be one of them. AL’s mentioning of Goodwin not being wet doesn’t prove anything. Goodwin could have landed in some trees just like Bernard did. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2005, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/95 "2005-11-17T16:08:38Z")
> [@spoke-](#): > > Yes, but he didn’t confirm it either. Was Ethan also “spotted” and forced to infiltrate? Doesn’t seem likely. A planned infiltration of both groups best fits the evidence, in my opinion. Well, we don’t really know whether Ethan was with them from Day 1, either. He could have snuck in and infiltrated the group a little later on. They had a larger group, so more “strangers” around from any one person’s point of view. My guess as to why our survivors haven’t been bothered as much by the others (except for the Ethan stuff) yet is distance. The others seem to be **closer** in proximity to where the tail section landed, on the other side of the island. Especially if Goodwin was right there on Day 1. The fact that they found the tailies may have even prompted them to see if there was any other group of survivors. They wanted Walt, too (assuming that Bluebeard is part of their group) but waited quite a while to make a move for him. Although I’ll agree that “planned infiltration” also does fit the scenario, too. And if that’s the case, it would seem that not only did they know the plane was coming down, but knew it was coming down in multiple pieces on opposite sides of the island (if Ethan and Goodwin were both in place to infiltrate from Day 1). ---
**Author:** ![Finagle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b19c9b/32.png) [@Finagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Finagle)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2005, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/96 "2005-11-17T16:19:12Z")
> [@Monstre](#): > > The episode opened with a scene of the beach, looking out over the water, nice, serence, peaceful… waves crashing… stayed like that for about 10 seconds or so. > > Then… roaring sound starts to get louder, and debris flies from the upper left corner of the screen into the shot, followed by the tail section (from the same direction) shooting down into the shot and into the water. Another mysteriously discriminating plane crash, by the way. With a handful of exceptions, either you die immediately or you walk away with a few scratches. Not even sore muscles or a wrenched back from falling out of the sky. And the exceptions are tidy – broken legs, not the kind of massive gaping wounds you’d expect from a real disaster. Bad episode to try to watch while doing other things… I noticed at one point that AL had a sharpened stake as a weapon. Two thoughts – thanks to the TSA, if I were ever marooned on a desert island, I wouldn’t even have my trusty Leatherman to help rebuild civilization. And did they take a knife away from the “others”? Last week, AL said the Others “tortured us”. I didn’t see much torture going on. The tailees (and especially AL) escalated to hysterical panic mighty quickly, especially because the Others just didn’t seem that creepy and certainly not that irresistable. Their numbers went down by at least three during the episode. Armed with rocks and pointed sticks, the tailees gave as good as they got. ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2005, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/97 "2005-11-17T16:25:51Z")
Forget Bernard, where the hell have I seen Goodwin before? ---
**Author:** ![Turek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/turek/32/18782_2.png) [@Turek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Turek)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2005, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/98 "2005-11-17T16:25:52Z")
> [@Finagle](#): > > And did they take a knife away from the “others”? AL took it off one of the Others. ---
**Author:** ![Turek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/turek/32/18782_2.png) [@Turek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Turek)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2005, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/99 "2005-11-17T16:28:28Z")
> [@ivylass](#): > > Forget Bernard, where the hell have I seen Goodwin before? [Another journeyman.](http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0191442/) ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2005, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/100 "2005-11-17T16:36:23Z")
> [@Wile E](#): > > If one or two lone survivors spotted an Other, I don’t think that would force the Other to pose as one of the survivors unless they wanted to do so. They could always disappear back into the woods and the survivors who spotted them probably wouldn’t even remember them later, especially after the initial craziness of the crash. Perhaps the Others just have some sort of protocol in the eventuality of this sort of thing? If you’re first to a crash pretend to be one of them. > > AL’s mentioning of Goodwin not being wet doesn’t prove anything. Goodwin could have landed in some trees just like Bernard did. But AL caught him in a lie. He didn’t tell her he landed in the trees. He told her he was on the beach and went into the woods after he heard Bernard (IIRC). That he wasn’t wet proved that he didn’t land in the water. Her interogation tends to support the law enforcement theory rather than the military theory of AL’s background. In the last thread there was a lot of speculation about Cynthia Watros’ character bing one of the Others. It was pretty clear that she was on the plane and in the water. She may have been recruited later but I don’t think so. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379.md?page=6)