# Lost 2.7 "The Other 48 Days" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 16, 2005, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379 "2005-11-16T20:37:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Farmwoman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8dc957/32.png) [@Farmwoman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Farmwoman)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2005, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/141 "2005-11-17T21:59:46Z")
> [@ArchiveGuy](#): > > Fewer crises. They’ve had their share of ups & downs, but only one death via malice, fewer deaths overall (we saw at least 8 or 9 graves with the tailies) and only one abduction (which turned out OK in the end. I don’t disagree with most of your analysis, but the tailie graves were clearly of those who died in the water. According to my calculations (see list above) there couldn’t have been any more than 3 _survivors_ buried by the tail section group. The lostaways simply torched the fuselage so we don’t see their non-survivor graves. Which brings up another advantage enjoyed by our midsection group: They had a nice chunk of aircraft and luggage to plunder, unlike their counterparts who seem to be living with the clothes they wore on the plane. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2005, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/142 "2005-11-17T22:16:06Z")
> [@ElectricZ](#): > > One of the first things Ana asked the original survivors was “how many of you have gotten sick?” She did? I remember Desmond asking that, but not AL. > [@Antigen](#): > > I’m still thinking over the “only taking the good people” thing. Good as in good people? Or good for their needs? It should be obvious. Good tasting! :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Rieux](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@Dr.Rieux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Rieux)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2005, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/143 "2005-11-17T22:29:21Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > She did? I remember Desmond asking that, but not AL. > It should be obvious. Good tasting! :eek: Less Filling! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2005, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/144 "2005-11-17T22:29:49Z")
**ArchiveGuy** , I like your assessment. Though it could fall into one of your existing categories, I think you could add “Had Able Lieutenants With a Wide Variety of Skill Sets” (besides just Locke, who probably doesn’t qualify as a Lt.). How valuable is a guy like Sayid? In his own way, he is better than Locke because everyone seems to like and respect him. And Hurley is kind of the guy who lifts your spirits. Sun had gardening. Jin was a fisherman. Michael could build things. But overall, I agree much of Jack’s success was circumstance. ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2005, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/145 "2005-11-17T22:50:16Z")
> [@middleman](#): > > **ArchiveGuy** , > > I like your assessment. Though it could fall into one of your existing categories, I think you could add “Had Able Lieutenants With a Wide Variety of Skill Sets” (besides just Locke, who probably doesn’t qualify as a Lt.). > > How valuable is a guy like Sayid? In his own way, he is better than Locke because everyone seems to like and respect him. > > And Hurley is kind of the guy who lifts your spirits. > > Sun had gardening. > > Jin was a fisherman. > > Michael could build things. > > But overall, I agree much of Jack’s success was circumstance. Exactly. Free from any larger duress, the castaways can go off and explore or contribute according to their respective strengths or interests. It’s about morale, not least of which is helped by living in a community where you’re not being hounded by Jack every minute. Their psychological load is lighter because the oppressive shadow of The Others is relatively non-existent. For the tailiees, AL’s concern for the group, though well-intentioned, only serves to remind people about What’s Out There. It’s hard to relax, think straight, or break free from the group is you’re constantly worried (or being reminded on how you should worry). This still means you look to a leader, even a default one like AL, but you don’t have the same level of confidence in her; the fact that she feels the weight of this responsibility, and is forced to second-guess past decisions that had diastrous consequences, doesn’t help. Has Jack ever made a truly disastrous decision for the Lostaways? It seems like whenever he came close–becoming a victim of his more self-righteous know-it-all impulses–somebody (Locke, Sayid, Kate, even a dying Boone) stepped in. AL doesn’t seem to have anybody like that, since Libby, Bernard, et al seem to be more quiet/timid/recessive. ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2005, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/146 "2005-11-17T23:07:45Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > Juvenile CPR should be done with one hand so you don’t crush the chest. Your CPR class may not have covered juveniles and infants. > > I find Frylock’s conjecture very interesting. It goes along with my theory that Shannon is not dead. If AL is talking about someone else she killed that fits. Hmmm…I checked my notes on that class but maybe I missed something crucial; the notes don’t specify one hand or two. You could be right. All we practiced on was the adult-size dummy. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2005, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/147 "2005-11-18T01:13:16Z")
I liked seeing the things that led up to what we saw in the previous episodes. Ana-Lucia digging the pit, how Goodwin ended up on permanent stake-out, the other side of the brief conversation with Boone…overall, though, there wasn’t much that caught my attention other than Goodwin. He seemed more human than Ethan, even when his cover was dropped, and he seemed (sort of) willing to talk to Ana-Lucia; she attacked first. A brief thing, that might just be wild speculation (but hey, what isn’t?), is that Goodwin makes the third person who’s run out from the jungle to the survivors. Ethan, Goodwin…and Kelvin. I’d have to go back and listen to Desmond’s story again, but it sounded like he’d barely spent any time on the island before Kelvin appeared and took him back to the Swan. Someone mentioned above that there might be different groups of Others for each station. Life Extension for the tailies, Eugenics for the middle section, Remote Viewing for the guys on the boat (assuming the Others who took Walt were part of that), and Electromagnetic Research for Desmond. It’s too bad Rousseau never mentioned an infiltrator into her group, but then again she was with a group who presumably knew each other, whereas in a group of strangers it’s easy to pass yourself off as another stranger. The Others probably didn’t have a chance to get into her group, and just infected her people with a space virus (Q.E.T.I. :D). ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2005, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/148 "2005-11-18T01:43:33Z")
> [@vivalostwages](#): > > Hmmm…I checked my notes on that class but maybe I missed something crucial; the notes don’t specify one hand or two. You could be right. All we practiced on was the adult-size dummy. I’m a police officer, we go through the training at least once a year (not to mention the practical experience of doing it on real live dead people). Even though other things have changed in CPR technique, that has remained the same. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2005, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/149 "2005-11-18T02:02:30Z")
I have to admit, I’m really liking Ana Lucia and Mr. Echo, and at this point, I’m ready for them to spin off a new show with their group. I’m tired of the Jack-Kate-Michael-Locke-Charlie-Walt crap. Although, I’d really love a Kate/AL showdown. Something makes me think AL=law enforcement and she and Kate just ain’t gonna get along. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2005, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/150 "2005-11-18T02:09:54Z")
> [@vivalostwages](#): > > Hmmm…I checked my notes on that class but maybe I missed something crucial; the notes don’t specify one hand or two. You could be right. All we practiced on was the adult-size dummy. …I was taught the one-handed method for youngies over here in NZ, as well… ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2005, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/151 "2005-11-18T02:27:31Z")
> [@Banquet Bear](#): > > …I was taught the one-handed method for youngies over here in NZ, as well… Don’t you have to use a different technique because the blood circulates the opposite way from the way it does in the N. Hemisphere? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2005, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/152 "2005-11-18T02:27:44Z")
> [@tanstaafl](#): > > The Dharma logo in the bunker shows an arrow. The one in the first bunker was a swan. Could the Dharma bases be named after constallations? (Swan = Cygnus, Arrow = Saggitarius (the archer)) Yeah, it’s hard to extrapolate from a sample of two, but… Actually, you may be on to something…The constellation of [Sagitta](http://www.seds.org/Maps/Stars_en/Fig/sagitta.html) is the arrow launched by Sagittarius and it is actually situated so the south of Cygnus and the arrow is pointed at one of Cygnus’ wings. Other nearby constellations…Vulpecula (Fox), Delphinus (Dolphin), Equuleus (Little Horse), and Aquila (Eagle) are the nearest constellations to Sagitta and Vulpecula lies between Cygnus and Sagitta. Cygnus has the constellations of Lyra (Lyre), Draco (Dragon), Lacerta (Lizard), Cepheus (King), Pegasus (Winged Horse), Delphinus, Equuleus, Sagitta and Vulpecula surrounding it. If any of these symbols pop up in future episodes ([or any other constellation for that matter](http://www.dibonsmith.com/constel.htm) ), then IMHO, you are on to something. ---
**Author:** ![Misnomer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/misnomer/32/14897_2.png) [@Misnomer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Misnomer)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2005, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/153 "2005-11-18T02:36:18Z")
As usual, I come to this thread way too late to make any original observations. 🙂 But I just want to express my esoteric, happy surprise at noticing that this episode was directed by [Eric Laneuville](http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0485637/), who played orderly-turned-physician’s-aide Luther Hawkins on _St. Elsewhere_ back in the '80s. He directed a lot of episodes of that show, and it’s good to see that he’s still directing! ---
**Author:** ![misstee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/958977/32.png) [@misstee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/misstee)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2005, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/154 "2005-11-18T03:26:22Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > … snip … of doing it on real **live dead** people). … snip Just wanted to point out the bolded part. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2005, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/155 "2005-11-18T03:46:08Z")
> [@](#): > > Great episode. But how do we get from 23 to 5 (before Cindy is taken)? 3 the first night, then 9. That still leaves 11. Even if we count Goodwin, that leaves 10, and I guess Nathan is an extra casualty, so we could be down to 9. When Libby was telling Anna Lucia that the broken leg guy was dying from infection, she said he would be the third injured person to die. Anna Lucia asked her “what can we do about it?” Unlike the main castaways, they don’t have a doctor (although I think the show’s exaggerating how effective a doctor would be on a island without any supplies.) ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2005, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/156 "2005-11-18T03:50:47Z")
Wasn’t it Goodwin who snapped the chicken’s neck? Foreshadowing - the mark of quality literature. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2005, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/157 "2005-11-18T03:54:43Z")
> [@misstee](#): > > Just wanted to point out the bolded part. Thank you for noticing, I did it for effect. Most people don’t get me. Hell I don’t get m most of the time. 😉 \*\*Misnomer \*\* I turned to my wife and said “hey look it was directed by Eric Laneuville!” I got the same blank stare that you got with your post. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Misnomer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/misnomer/32/14897_2.png) [@Misnomer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Misnomer)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2005, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/158 "2005-11-18T04:16:27Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > \*\*Misnomer \*\* I turned to my wife and said “hey look it was directed by Eric Laneuville!” > > I got the same blank stare that you got with your post. 😃 Just knowing that I wasn’t the only one to notice made my post worthwhile… 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2005, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/159 "2005-11-18T05:42:54Z")
> [@Little Nemo](#): > > And if it’s wild theories you want… > > Others have already speculated that the plane crash actually had no survivors. Everbody was killed and the people we’re seeing are stuck in limbo - so maybe Goodwin, Ethan, and the Others are angels who took the good people to Heaven and now are watching the rest of the people to see if they are going to redeem themselves and get in. So Ethan the angel abducts Claire, tries to kill Charlie on the way, and then Claire escapes from heaven and goes back to purgatory. Then the angel Ethan comes back, decks Jin with a rock, threatens Charlie, and then kills Scott (or Steve?) Man, I guess Heaven’s gone downhill lately. Are they under new management or something? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2005, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/160 "2005-11-18T05:52:20Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > > [@Antigen](#): > > > > I’m still thinking over the “only taking the good people” thing. Good as in good people? Or good for their needs? > > It should be obvious. Good tasting! :eek: It’s a cookbook! It’s a cookbook!!! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379.md?page=9)