# Lost 2.9: "What Kate Did" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 30, 2005, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-9-what-kate-did/333336 "2005-11-30T05:29:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Broken\_Wind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Broken\_Wind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broken_Wind)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2005, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-9-what-kate-did/333336/61 "2005-12-01T05:33:42Z")
> [@AuntiePam](#): > > How did the army guy dad “know” that Kate would eventually kill the guy? Especially at the age of five? She have 666 on her scalp or something? He did **not** deserve that hug. The way I read it, Army Dad and his wife split up when Kate was five - they both knew she was the illegitimate daughter of Wayne - wife left Army Dad because she ‘loved’ Wayne. Kate was subsequently raised in a shitty home with a drunken, wife-beating, perverted step-father that she found out much later to be her true father. And Army Dad knew/had an idea this abuse had been going on for the last 19 years but felt powerless/afraid to do anything for fear that it would send his ‘daughter’ over the edge. At least that’s _my_ divorced father of two (legitimate) daughters take on it. And my first daughter’s name is Kate. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2005, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-9-what-kate-did/333336/62 "2005-12-01T05:38:20Z")
> [@](#): > > But he did manage to teach her how to hunt, track, shoot, fight, and probably play golf, too, all by the age of five. I think we can assume, that like most children of divorced couples, Kate spent time with both parents. The sergeant certainly wasn’t acting like it was the first time he’d seen his daughter in nineteen years. Kate presumedly learned all those things on her weekends visiting her “father”. But killing her father/stepfather because she hated a part of her own personality? That really is psycho behavior. Kate’s not just misunderstood - she’s a genuine cold blooded killer. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2005, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-9-what-kate-did/333336/63 "2005-12-01T05:39:57Z")
> [@](#): > > Kate was subsequently raised in a shitty home with a drunken, wife-beating, perverted step-father that she found out much later to be her true father. And Army Dad knew/had an idea this abuse had been going on for the last 19 years but felt powerless/afraid to do anything for fear that it would send his ‘daughter’ over the edge. What abuse? Wayne was a drinker and beat up his wife. But Kate said he never touched her. ---
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2005, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-9-what-kate-did/333336/64 "2005-12-01T05:43:39Z")
> [@Little Nemo](#): > > I think we can assume, that like most children of divorced couples, Kate spent time with both parents. The sergeant certainly wasn’t acting like it was the first time he’d seen his daughter in nineteen years. Kate presumedly learned all those things on her weekends visiting her “father”. > > But killing her father/stepfather because she hated a part of her own personality? That really is psycho behavior. Kate’s not just misunderstood - she’s a genuine cold blooded killer. Yeah, I know. I was being facetious. I had to laugh when Kate accused Jack of always being perfect. She seems to be perfect at everything she does. Well, I suppose she could have been a little better at committing murder and making it look like an accident. ---
**Author:** ![Broken\_Wind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Broken\_Wind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broken_Wind)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2005, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-9-what-kate-did/333336/65 "2005-12-01T05:55:09Z")
> [@Little Nemo](#): > > What abuse? Wayne was a drinker and beat up his wife. But Kate said he never touched her. Um, he’s a drunk that she has to put to bed at night, he beats up his wife while Kate watches/hears/sees evidence of it, and he gropes Kate and tells her “she’s pretty” in a lecherous way that we only see one instance of but that presumably has been occuring during the course of Kate’s entire life to that point. That’s not abuse? ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2005, 6:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-9-what-kate-did/333336/66 "2005-12-01T06:14:30Z")
Best Sawyer line: “Son of a bitch!” …which I translate as “Same bat time, same batshit island.” Nice, low-key funeral with restraint and just the right amount of sadness from Sayid. So using the computer for other than button-pushing leads to “incidents”? Hmmm…Too bad we have to wait so long to find out more. Typical. I really wish they’d spent more time on this and hadn’t devoted so many seconds of screen time to AL. I’m hungry not just for more WAAAAAAALLLLLT, but also Desmond, Danielle, and the Others. ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2005, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-9-what-kate-did/333336/67 "2005-12-01T06:16:10Z")
What gets me about this revelation is that it doesn’t fit. The writers are giving her a back story that adds up to a different person than the Kate we’ve seen. Where and when did she get her super powers? Who gave them to her? Not mom, not Army dad, not drunken lecherous dad. Something’s missing. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2005, 6:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-9-what-kate-did/333336/68 "2005-12-01T06:34:13Z")
> [@Broken Wind](#): > > Um, he’s a drunk that she has to put to bed at night […] and he gropes Kate and tells her “she’s pretty” in a lecherous way that we only see one instance of but that presumably has been occuring during the course of Kate’s entire life to that point. Remember that she also said that she killed the man she _loved_. If Kate wasn’t _always_ repulsed by his attentions, and _then_ found out that he was her biological father, that would certainly knock her on her ass. ---
**Author:** ![BobT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8e8cbc/32.png) [@BobT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobT)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2005, 6:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-9-what-kate-did/333336/69 "2005-12-01T06:37:36Z")
I think Kate meant by killing the man she loved, she got her friend the doctor killed when the police shot at her car when she was trying to get away. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2005, 6:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-9-what-kate-did/333336/70 "2005-12-01T06:39:37Z")
> [@BobT](#): > > I think Kate meant by killing the man she loved, she got her friend the doctor killed when the police shot at her car when she was trying to get away. Of course – there was that bit with the toy plane, too. “The man I loved… the man I killed.” This is why I prefer watching shows like this in DVD binges. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Flutterby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Flutterby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flutterby)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2005, 6:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-9-what-kate-did/333336/71 "2005-12-01T06:52:36Z")
> [@Wile E](#): > > I have to wonder why someone would take that section of the film and put it somewhere far away. Was it just because they didn’t want anyone else to know it was possible to use the computers for any other reason? And why not just destroy the film clip? No idea why, but it’s obvious there is even _more_ to the film whereas the first time we saw it, it wasn’t quite as apparent. ---
**Author:** ![BobT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8e8cbc/32.png) [@BobT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobT)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2005, 6:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-9-what-kate-did/333336/72 "2005-12-01T06:58:54Z")
It’s good to know that Locke is an expert at flim splicing. ---
**Author:** ![fiddlesticks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddlesticks/32/18129_2.png) [@fiddlesticks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fiddlesticks)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2005, 7:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-9-what-kate-did/333336/73 "2005-12-01T07:12:44Z")
> [@Farmwoman](#): > > That Mystereko sure knows how to spin a tale…one with a completely irrelevant prelude. Build the temple with a book. grumble No no no. You don’t whip the ancient Israelites back into line by putting a new coat of paint on the Temple, you dust off the Torah and put the fear of YHWH back into them. That’s the point of the story. Smart guy that treasurer fellow. But what the parable had to do with the fact that was film hidden in a Bible, well, I’m still stumped there. Any bets that there is another bunker on the island…a Trinity of bunkers, this one occupied by The Others[sup]TM[/sup]. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2005, 7:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-9-what-kate-did/333336/74 "2005-12-01T07:14:09Z")
> [@Larry Mudd](#): > > Remember that she also said that she killed the man she _loved_. > > If Kate wasn’t _always_ repulsed by his attentions, and _then_ found out that he was her biological father, that would certainly knock her on her ass. No, that was Tom. I think we can assume, though, that Daddy Wayne did abuse her. When she answered “he never touched me”, that was a little too fast to be believable. I was very disapointed in the missing part of the Dharma film. BFD. These guys need to recognize that they’re being played as pawns. Fuck the Dharma Initiative. Oh yeah, we all knew that Walt would be the voice in the computer, right? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2005, 7:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-9-what-kate-did/333336/75 "2005-12-01T07:48:51Z")
> [@](#): > > Um, he’s a drunk that she has to put to bed at night, he beats up his wife while Kate watches/hears/sees evidence of it, and he gropes Kate and tells her “she’s pretty” in a lecherous way that we only see one instance of but that presumably has been occuring during the course of Kate’s entire life to that point. > That’s not abuse? But keep in mind she put up with everything Wayne did from the age of five until she was 24 - she didn’t kill him for being a drunk wife-beater all those years. And I think it’s unlikely that he started abused her when she was 24, so if he was abusing her, she apparently had learned to live with that as well. By Kate’s own account to her father, she decided to kill Wayne when she was 24 because that’s when she found out he was her father. This is also what she told Sawyer when she thought he was unconscious and she was talking to Wayne’s ghost or something. So I think we should accept that explanation at face value. > [@](#): > > That Mystereko sure knows how to spin a tale…one with a completely irrelevant prelude. Build the temple with a book. grumble Eko: Hello. Locke: Hello. Eko: So I hear you’re a pretty good man with a cryptic parable. Locke: I’ve told a few. Eko: Maybe you haven’t heard, but I’ve got a bit of a reputation for being enigmatic myself. Locke: There’s always some punk kid who thinks he can beat the master. Show me what you got. Eko: Well, I’ve know this story about a book. You heard it? Locke: Bring it on. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2005, 8:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-9-what-kate-did/333336/76 "2005-12-01T08:07:32Z")
A few questions: (1) Why has Michael not already demanded that they load up on the guns, march back over the island, and kick some other ass? For that matter, why have the Tailies not demanded that they do that and rescue the tail kids? (2) So why was Kate robbing the bank? Was the toy plane in the bank vault? And how did it get there? Important note: Sayid also saw ghost-Walt. What this proves, I do not know. I wish the castaways would spend more time arguing and debating about WTF is going on. They all seem to take it totally in stride that they’re trapped in the most baffling series of events in human history. ---
**Author:** ![Kingspades](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecae2f/32.png) [@Kingspades](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kingspades)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2005, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-9-what-kate-did/333336/77 "2005-12-01T11:21:13Z")
> [@fiddlesticks](#): > > Any bets that there is another bunker on the island…a Trinity of bunkers, this one occupied by The Others[sup]TM[/sup]. My guess is that there is a total of either four or eight bunkers on the island. I’m leaning toward eight, especially since the Dharma logo is an octagon. Incidentally, am I the only one who saw young Kate sitting on the front porch and was reminded of Fairuza Balk in “The Waterboy?” I don’t know how they managed to make Evangeline look younger in the flashbacks, but they did. ---
**Author:** ![Trion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ccd318/32.png) [@Trion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trion)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2005, 11:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-9-what-kate-did/333336/78 "2005-12-01T11:49:30Z")
We’ve been led to believe that there are six bunkers. Possibly each has a piece of the total film. You see, Alvar Hanso split the [del]power crystal[/del] film into six parts and placed them in various spots on the island. When you gather all the pieces together, all will be revealed. Fortunately, Kate has just aquired the Horse, so travel should be much easier. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2005, 12:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-9-what-kate-did/333336/79 "2005-12-01T12:05:47Z")
> [@Wile E](#): > > I had to laugh when Kate accused Jack of always being perfect. She seems to be perfect at everything she does. I hated that line. I guess all it takes to qualify as “perfect” is not getting spooked, not leaving a man to die, and sticking around to press the button so the death clock doesn’t reach zero. Setting the bar a little low, isn’t she? Well, Kate has now surpassed Ana Lucia as my most hated character. I just don’t like that combination of cliche, super human skills, and whining. Orginally, Jack was supposed to die and Kate was supposed to be the leader. I wonder if the change knocked what they wanted to do with the character off a bit. Good to see Sawyer back on his feet. The line to give him a “welcome back” punch forms to the right. No pushing, Ana Lucia! You wait your turn. Speaking of Ana Lucia, it looks like she’s the consolation prize for Jack. Better luck next time. \>:Don’t worry Dad. I’m fine with the castaways. They even let me play GTA on the computer. I think they’ve got the hot coffee mod too. \>:WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALT!! ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2005, 12:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-9-what-kate-did/333336/80 "2005-12-01T12:07:00Z")
> [@Harborwolf](#): > > \>: Don’t worry Dad. I’m fine with the castaways. They even let me play GTA on the computer. I think they’ve got the hot coffee mod too. > > \>:WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALT!! :smack: Must remember to disable smilies. :smack: [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-9-what-kate-did/333336.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-9-what-kate-did/333336.md?page=5)