# Lost 2.9: "What Kate Did" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 30, 2005, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-9-what-kate-did/333336 "2005-11-30T05:29:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2005, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-9-what-kate-did/333336/121 "2005-12-01T18:28:47Z")
> [@Monstre](#): > > Well, Jack **was** the guy who got to make out with Kate this episode, and I didn’t see Sawyer getting any real action this time. 😉 Hey, if I had to choose between a kiss and having her help me stand up, walk clear to the exit and out, all the time with my arm around her… Jack can have his little kiss. We’ve seen how little that means to Kate… ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2005, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-9-what-kate-did/333336/122 "2005-12-01T18:34:25Z")
I liked Eko and Charlie’s commentary on ANaL. Eko said most of the Losties chalked it up to an understandable (my word) accident. Charlie merely notes that “her” presence at the funeral would be awkward. I think she will be an outsider, but not an outcast. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2005, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-9-what-kate-did/333336/123 "2005-12-01T18:39:09Z")
> [@Draelin](#): > > Okay, I’m a big dork. Possibilities I’ve thought of: > > O or S (_O’Hare_, which **Dante** is right about, or _Share_) > P (_Spend_ is the only word I could come up with here) > R (_Acorn_) > I (_Imitative_) > B, C, D, G, M, N, O, P, S, T, W, X, or Y (Yeah, stupid short words.) > ? > ? > C (_Acids_, as kindly pointed out by **middleman** ) > E (_Pager_) I’m thinking the letter before the C could be ‘A’. The across answer being “APERS” perhaps (the last letter is covered up, and the down word “RICE\_” could be likely RICES or RICER). APER is a fairly common crossword answer – “One who copies something” or clues to that effect. So… SPRI–ACE ? ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2005, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-9-what-kate-did/333336/124 "2005-12-01T18:41:37Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > I seem to remember that there was no computer prompt in front of “Dad?” > Anybody notice that, too, or was I mistaken? Yep – there was no prompt in front of Comptuer-Walt’s words. But then, there probably didn’t need to be, because the computer wasn’t prompting it’s own user to type – it was displaying received information. No real need for a prompt. So I didn’t read anything much into that. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2005, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-9-what-kate-did/333336/125 "2005-12-01T18:42:51Z")
Actually, for the correct answer to “Endiku’s friend,” the linked site above suggests scripture. ---
**Author:** ![BiblioCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed8c4c/32.png) [@BiblioCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BiblioCat)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2005, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-9-what-kate-did/333336/126 "2005-12-01T18:43:52Z")
> [@borschevsky](#): > > Do you mean Eko or Locke? > > And check out the TV screen in [this screen capture](http://timdorr.com/images/Lost/thatsjustsayid.jpg). Recognize him? 🙂 Wow, I totally missed that. I wonder why Sayid was on TV. ---
**Author:** ![BobT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8e8cbc/32.png) [@BobT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobT)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2005, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-9-what-kate-did/333336/127 "2005-12-01T18:46:20Z")
Sayid was likely be shown as a captured Iraqi soldier. It’s not like we don’t see that on CNN/FNC/MSNBC from time to time. ---
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2005, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-9-what-kate-did/333336/128 "2005-12-01T18:50:49Z")
> [@middleman](#): > > Oh, and did anyone notice what number the Enkidu clue was? According to the screencap (see post 107), it is 42 down. brian ---
**Author:** ![Velma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/85e7bf/32.png) [@Velma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velma)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2005, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-9-what-kate-did/333336/129 "2005-12-01T18:57:24Z")
A very good episode, I thought. I have been assuming there are six hatches as well…didn’t the film mention six stations? Of course all six may not be on the island. Do you think the Others are the ones who cut out parts of the film? Why? - did they want the people in the hatch to try to use the computer to communicate with them? Is it really Walt doing the typing, or do you think the Others are trying to lure Michael and the rest out to them? I wonder when we will find out what ‘the incident’ was…and will Desmond ever come back? I thought is was strange too that Locke said the film was straightforward and answered all the questions about the hatch. Um, no it doesn’t! I can think of a million questions it doesn’t answer! The biggest ones being _what happens if you don’t push the button and why is the hatch here to begin with?_ I am still a little confused about what happened w/Sawyer and Kate, even saying she thought he was posessed by her father’s ghost is a little weird to me, but oh well. Didn’t posessed Sawyer attack Kate and ask her 'why did you kill _her_, not why did you kill _me_? Or am I misremembering? The lostaways need to have a group meeting and all tell each other about what they have been seeing. They don’t yet realize just how bizarre their island really is. I was a little tired of seeing the backstory of the tail section, I feel like it is getting “first season good” again now. ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2005, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-9-what-kate-did/333336/130 "2005-12-01T19:06:34Z")
> [@N9IWP](#): > > According to the screencap (see post 107), it is 42 down. > > brian I saw that. I was pointing out that it was **42** down. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2005, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-9-what-kate-did/333336/131 "2005-12-01T19:13:38Z")
> [@Velma](#): > > A very good episode, I thought. I have been assuming there are six hatches as well…didn’t the film mention six stations? Of course all six may not be on the island. The orientation film said there were 6 bunkers and all 6 were on the island. ---
**Author:** ![BigDummy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ee59a6/32.png) [@BigDummy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigDummy)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2005, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-9-what-kate-did/333336/132 "2005-12-01T19:36:18Z")
> [@BobT](#): > > Sayid was likely be shown as a captured Iraqi soldier. It’s not like we don’t see that on CNN/FNC/MSNBC from time to time. Plus it was on in a recruiting office with what looks like a VCR on the stand under the TV. Could be taped recruiting materials I guess. ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2005, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-9-what-kate-did/333336/133 "2005-12-01T19:59:01Z")
> [@BigDummy](#): > > Plus it was on in a recruiting office with what looks like a VCR on the stand under the TV. Could be taped recruiting materials I guess. My wife thought the same thing. What ever happened to the Geneva Convention prohibition of not showing POWs pictures on TV? ---
**Author:** ![cbawlmer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/71e660/32.png) [@cbawlmer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cbawlmer)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2005, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-9-what-kate-did/333336/134 "2005-12-01T20:20:46Z")
> [@middleman](#): > > My wife thought the same thing. > > What ever happened to the Geneva Convention prohibition of not showing POWs pictures on TV? Haven’t you heard? The Geneva Convention is quaint and outdated and we can just pat it on the head and ignore it now. ---
**Author:** ![panamajack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/47e85d/32.png) [@panamajack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panamajack)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2005, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-9-what-kate-did/333336/135 "2005-12-01T20:35:04Z")
While I think both crossword answers are important, does anyone know what 'SPIR" (69 down) is? Also, in case you aren’t aware of the story of Gilgamesh & Enkidu, one of the things they do together is Defeat the monster Humbaba, who guards the forest. Where is Humbaba lately? And why isn’t Charlie sure about the monster? Did he black out and not remember it, or does he think it was something else? ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2005, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-9-what-kate-did/333336/136 "2005-12-01T20:35:55Z")
> [@middleman](#): > > \*Did Jack know of Hurley’s stay at the Looney Bin? Did he tell him in last Hurley-centric episode? Jack didn’t seem surprised. Don’t remember which episode, but yeah, Hurley told him. Jack was curious about why Hurley was being so hinky about the numbers; Hurley said “you’ll never believe me” or something. Jack said, basically, try me. Hurley says, “Okay, a while back, I was in a mental hospital,” and goes on with the long story about hearing the numbers and using them in the lottery and all the bad luck and everything else. There’s a pause at the end, and Jack says, “You were in a mental hospital?” as if that’s the most important part of the story. At which point Hurley says, Yeah, dude, whatever, and bails. I liked this episode quite a lot. The strongest so far this season, I think. Ana-Lucia’s been backgrounded a bit, Hurley was funny, it was sweet seeing Jin and Sun at the beginning; lots of good stuff. Loved the scene between Locke and Eko (it’s a real pleasure watching those two men act); it’s clear the latter is going to give the former a run for his inscrutable money. Sure, the Kate backstory was a little weak. Didn’t matter. I wasn’t expecting earthshaking revelations; I just wanted to see what it was. In some ways I’m not displeased that it was more or less that people were speculating it would be. I mean, they can’t pull the rug out from under us every time. The roll of film was plenty good for that. Plus, the “Dad?” ending totally surprised me, but I suspect it’s because I wasn’t thinking about the answer to Michael’s question, “who is this.” If I had been, I might have seen it coming. Instead, though, I was thinking that Michael’s reaction to seeing the “Hello?” was completely false. I mean, come on: You’re stuck on a desert island. You find a computer. And suddenly it looks like you’re hooked up to a chat room. You have no idea who’s on the other end. Maybe it’s the company that owns the bunker; maybe it’s somebody else. Could be anybody at all, really. What do you do? Respond like he did, “who is this,” on the paranoid fear that you don’t know who you’re talking to, and by delaying actual communication you risk a loss of connection? Or grab what looks like your best shot in a long time of getting rescued? No — I would have been a lot happier if the scene had gone like this: _: Hello?_ Michael stares at it, then starts typing frantically. _\>: My name is Michael Dawson. I was on Flight 815 from Sydney to Los Angeles with my son Waaaaaaaaaaalt. We went way off course and crashed on an island. There are 50 survivors. Please call the police and the media and tell them to expand the search. We found this bunker thing with a Dharma company logo on the wall. Did I mention Waaaaalt. Please come rescue us._ Hits enter. Waits. Long pause. And _then_ come back with “Dad?” That would have worked a lot better, I think. Michael’s reaction would have been much more realistic than what he did, which was either overly defensive or implausibly casual. (“Wassup, a/s/l?” “37, M, freakadelic desert island.”) Would have been a bit of misdirection, making us wonder as much about how the other person is going to respond as who it might be, in comparison to “who is this,” which is right on the nose and points rather directly to the impending revelation. Just my two cents. ---
**Author:** ![Improv\_Geek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b3f665/32.png) [@Improv\_Geek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Improv_Geek)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2005, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-9-what-kate-did/333336/137 "2005-12-01T20:47:23Z")
“freakadelic desert island” You now owe me a can of coke and a new monitor 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2005, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-9-what-kate-did/333336/138 "2005-12-01T20:59:14Z")
According to Google, SPIR is… The first graphical editor for Artificial Intelligence… the Strategic Partnership for Industrial Resurgence… Science Program Improvement Review… a multinational communications company… A norwegian jazz/folk music group… the Special Purpose Islamic Regiment, a Chechen terrorist group… A blogger… ---
**Author:** ![Honey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honey/32/5074_2.png) [@Honey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honey)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2005, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-9-what-kate-did/333336/139 "2005-12-01T20:59:31Z")
This is interesting. If you go to the [Hanso](http://www.thehansofoundation.org/alvarhanso.html) site and click on the picture of Hanso, it appears to tell you who really answered Michael. ---
**Author:** ![PunditLisa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/4af34b/32.png) [@PunditLisa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PunditLisa)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2005, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-9-what-kate-did/333336/140 "2005-12-01T21:07:43Z")
King Josiah. Hadn’t heard of this story (of the discovery of the Old Testament) but didn’t really follow the correlation. The Computer: Steven Jobs must have been part of the Dharma project and invented IM way ahead of its time. In DOS format. Without typing in commands. Uh huh. Walt: My first inclination, upon seeing the word, “Hello” would NOT be, “Hello” or “My name is Michael.” My first inclination would be, “SOS! I’m a survivor from Oceanic Flight xxx. We’re alive! Call (my parents, my congressman, my sister) at 513-xxx-xxxx and tell her I’m alive!! Send help!!” Jack - I think that Jack didn’t respond to Kate’s kiss because he knew Sawyer and Kate have feelings for each other, feelings that she has tried desperately (and lately, unsuccessfully) to suppress (because, as it turns out, he reminded her of Wayne). Then, out of the blue, she planted a kiss on him and it confused and frustrated Jack, because he and Kate had a little thang before Sawyer came along and ruined it. Hence him angrily chopping wood and later commenting to Ana Lucia that all women were crazy. Kate: I thought it was ironic that Kate’s father, when asked why he didn’t kill her biological father, said, “Because I don’t have murder in my heart.” Good career choice, dude! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-9-what-kate-did/333336.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-9-what-kate-did/333336.md?page=8)