# Lost 3.1: "A Tale of Two Cities" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 3, 2006, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-1-a-tale-of-two-cities/375142 "2006-10-03T19:17:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Antigen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/848f3c/32.png) [@Antigen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Antigen)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2006, 7:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-1-a-tale-of-two-cities/375142/181 "2006-10-06T07:36:14Z")
[QUOTE=Smeghead] Yeah, they were clearly two different editions, as they were being held by different people. In fact, in the same scene (in the living room), you can clearly see a third edition, too, being held by yet another book Other. You can only see the author on that one, though. [/QUOTE] Yeah, I don’t think it’s the sort of book club where they can just zap an order off to [Amazon.com](http://Amazon.com) for 15 copies of a book. Can you imagine the extra shipping costs to get them out to “815 Main street, Otherville, Mysterious Paranormal Secret Island”? ---
**Author:** ![Chew\_Barker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7bcc69/32.png) [@Chew\_Barker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chew_Barker)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2006, 9:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-1-a-tale-of-two-cities/375142/182 "2006-10-06T09:24:58Z")
[QUOTE=Dominic Mulligan] Wasn’t the guy lied in the bed that Jack was standing over whilst he was watching his Dad on the phone one of the others (the old guy with silver hair)? Also, I’m pretty sure that Jack’s Dad is in on the conspiracy and on the island. We’ve already seen him on the island, his coffin is empty, his voice came through the speaker and the whole reason Jack was on the flight was because of his Dad. [/QUOTE] That old guy did look very similar, I’ll have to watch it again to make sure. I also agree that Jack’s dad is in on it somehow. ---
**Author:** ![OpalCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8edcca/32.png) [@OpalCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OpalCat)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2006, 10:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-1-a-tale-of-two-cities/375142/183 "2006-10-06T10:49:02Z")
[QUOTE=Antigen] Yeah, I don’t think it’s the sort of book club where they can just zap an order off to [Amazon.com](http://Amazon.com) for 15 copies of a book. Can you imagine the extra shipping costs to get them out to “815 Main street, Otherville, Mysterious Paranormal Secret Island”? [/QUOTE] The point wasn’t “is it a different edition of Carrie, rather than the same version” the point is “is it a different edition of Carrie rather than some totally different Stephen King book” which seemed to be what was being suggested when I made my post. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Carnage](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/max_carnage/32/12775_2.png) [@Max\_Carnage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_Carnage)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2006, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-1-a-tale-of-two-cities/375142/184 "2006-10-06T13:46:41Z")
The picture of Jack and little girl (which I didn’t see) has apparently been replaced with one of Jack squatting on the table with a chain in his hand. That has to be the world’s dullest book club. Can’t be any big surprise as to what books will be read. “Let’s see, what book do we have a bunch of copies of? Well, looks like it’s Slaughterhouse Five again for the 17th time.” ---
**Author:** ![fiddlesticks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddlesticks/32/18129_2.png) [@fiddlesticks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fiddlesticks)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2006, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-1-a-tale-of-two-cities/375142/185 "2006-10-06T14:06:12Z")
Well, if the hatch had a brand new washer and dryer (sadly likely destroyed by dynamite or magnetism at the end of last season) it is not all that unlikely that books might be included in whatever means brings in the periodic appliance changeouts. Then there is also the hint that the island ain’t so isolated after all, as it appeared that Pirate Zeke/Mr. Friendly was apparently hospitalized in LA around about 2004 or so. ---
**Author:** ![rockle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/73ab20/32.png) [@rockle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rockle)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2006, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-1-a-tale-of-two-cities/375142/186 "2006-10-06T14:07:46Z")
[QUOTE=Max Carnage] That has to be the world’s dullest book club. Can’t be any big surprise as to what books will be read. “Let’s see, what book do we have a bunch of copies of? Well, looks like it’s Slaughterhouse Five again for the 17th time.” [/QUOTE] Well, at least it’s a _good_ book, then. ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2006, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-1-a-tale-of-two-cities/375142/187 "2006-10-06T17:01:07Z")
[QUOTE=fiddlesticks] …it appeared that Pirate Zeke/Mr. Friendly was apparently hospitalized in LA around about 2004 or so. [/QUOTE] Say what now? -Kris ---
**Author:** ![fiddlesticks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddlesticks/32/18129_2.png) [@fiddlesticks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fiddlesticks)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2006, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-1-a-tale-of-two-cities/375142/188 "2006-10-06T17:32:52Z")
[QUOTE=Frylock] Say what now? [/QUOTE] Lookie [here](http://lost.cubit.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=174). Zeke seems to show up in a hospital bed during Jack’s flashback. ---
**Author:** ![fiddlesticks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddlesticks/32/18129_2.png) [@fiddlesticks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fiddlesticks)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2006, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-1-a-tale-of-two-cities/375142/189 "2006-10-06T17:39:09Z")
Oops, meant to qualify the statement… Of course, people on that board seem to be divided as to whether or not that was really Zeke or not. In my mind, the guy in the bed looks close enough to Zeke that it’s not a simple coincidence of them hiring an extra who resembles him. ---
**Author:** ![AttackOfTheSmurf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@AttackOfTheSmurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AttackOfTheSmurf)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2006, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-1-a-tale-of-two-cities/375142/190 "2006-10-06T17:42:48Z")
[QUOTE=Mama Tiger] Something nobody else has mentioned – initially, when Kate came to and was going to take her shower, she pulled a bandaid over a cotton ball off of her wrist, and it looked like she’d had some kind of old-fashioned inoculation – like smallpox, where they scrape the skin and apply the vaccine to the scraped part. Was it an inoculation? If so, for what? Why did she get it, but we didn’t see anybody else with band aided wrists? [/QUOTE] Couldn’t this have been the nebulous vaccine that they kept coming back to in S2? That is what I assumed it was. And if only Kate and Jack got it maybe they are using Sawyer as a control? The vaccine thing goes along with how the Lost Experience over the summer ended as well I think. I was left thinking it would play a bigger part in S3. ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2006, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-1-a-tale-of-two-cities/375142/191 "2006-10-06T17:45:20Z")
[QUOTE=fiddlesticks] Oops, meant to qualify the statement… Of course, people on that board seem to be divided as to whether or not that was really Zeke or not. In my mind, the guy in the bed looks close enough to Zeke that it’s not a simple coincidence of them hiring an extra who resembles him. [/QUOTE] Thanks for the link! The resemblance looks slight to me\*, but then, I was never very good with faces. -FrL- \*The guy on the bed looks more like Bernard to me than like Zeke. And he doesn’t really look like Bernard either… ---
**Author:** ![AttackOfTheSmurf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@AttackOfTheSmurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AttackOfTheSmurf)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2006, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-1-a-tale-of-two-cities/375142/192 "2006-10-06T17:50:06Z")
[QUOTE=Omniscient] I’m wondering if they are hoping to get Kate and Jack to reproduce. They took note that Kate asked about Sawyer first, and that seemed important. By placing Kate into the cage opposite him, they might be forcing her to betray him and destroy any possible romance they have. The net effect would leave her with Jack. [/QUOTE] This is plausible to me. It gives the motiviation to why they would want Kate to betray Sawyer that was missing from earlier analysis. ---
**Author:** ![AttackOfTheSmurf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@AttackOfTheSmurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AttackOfTheSmurf)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2006, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-1-a-tale-of-two-cities/375142/193 "2006-10-06T18:01:25Z")
[QUOTE=Dominic Mulligan] Wasn’t the guy lied in the bed that Jack was standing over whilst he was watching his Dad on the phone one of the others (the old guy with silver hair)? Also, I’m pretty sure that Jack’s Dad is in on the conspiracy and on the island. We’ve already seen him on the island, his coffin is empty, his voice came through the speaker and the whole reason Jack was on the flight was because of his Dad. [/QUOTE] I totally didn’t catch that but if it turns out to be Zeke how cool would that be? It’s all about the Dad! You know, isn’t the guy that play’s Jack’s dad the same guy that played Crichton’s Dad in Farscape who turned out to be an alien? Fish Biscuit! ---
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2006, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-1-a-tale-of-two-cities/375142/194 "2006-10-06T18:16:32Z")
The important question here is, did the Others ever feed a fish biscuit to Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaalt? ---
**Author:** ![Trion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ccd318/32.png) [@Trion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trion)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2006, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-1-a-tale-of-two-cities/375142/195 "2006-10-06T18:38:26Z")
OK, I officially propose that we retire the “Waaaaaaaalt” jokes. At least until such time as Michael and/or Walt show up again. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Carnage](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/max_carnage/32/12775_2.png) [@Max\_Carnage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_Carnage)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2006, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-1-a-tale-of-two-cities/375142/196 "2006-10-06T18:38:53Z")
Just realized…the “Tale of Two Cities” could easily refer to the book club as well. ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2006, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-1-a-tale-of-two-cities/375142/197 "2006-10-06T19:04:36Z")
I’m sure you’ve already discusssed this, but the Stephen King book was _Carrie_. [Screen shots](http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/2006/10/stephen-king-book.html) ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2006, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-1-a-tale-of-two-cities/375142/198 "2006-10-06T19:19:46Z")
I don’t think it is Zeke in the hospital bed. A resemblence, yes, but it is not him. Zeke is sportin’ some serious “spare tire” around the midsection, and it just isn’t apparent in the hospital bed picture. ---
**Author:** ![medstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f07891/32.png) [@medstar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/medstar)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2006, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-1-a-tale-of-two-cities/375142/199 "2006-10-07T21:37:47Z")
[QUOTE=simster] Any isolated group needs to recruit new specialists from time to time… and as a possibly cult-like group, they need to first breakdown and rebuild the new recruits… Jack is clearly good at putting things back together, and Kate is good at blowing things up… \*\*Sawyer? He’s good at manipulating others[\b]… they gots plenty of those already. Why not just let the water equalize then swim out to freedom? [/QUOTE] Sawyer is good at getting played. Jack has totally flummoxed Sawyer any number of times last season. Sawyer is shrewd, cunning and opportunistic and only the island is keeping him from being a life-long small time hood. Maybe Jack, Sawyer, and Kate were selected because they had the biggest psychological problems and the Others needed to “cure” before they could live in the Others’ camp. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2006, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-1-a-tale-of-two-cities/375142/200 "2006-10-07T21:45:00Z")
[QUOTE=ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies] I don’t think it is Zeke in the hospital bed. A resemblence, yes, but it is not him. Zeke is sportin’ some serious “spare tire” around the midsection, and it just isn’t apparent in the hospital bed picture. [/QUOTE] Too many fish biscuits once he got to the island. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-1-a-tale-of-two-cities/375142.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-1-a-tale-of-two-cities/375142.md?page=11)