# Lost 3.16: "One of Us" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 11, 2007, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-16-one-of-us/399652 "2007-04-11T15:52:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Trion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ccd318/32.png) [@Trion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trion)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-16-one-of-us/399652/81 "2007-04-12T13:45:17Z")
[QUOTE=Nature’s Call] I misunderstood: I thought you were talking about the “She’s not coming with us” “Yes she is” scene as an example of Sayid backing down. I agree the scene around Ethan’s drop site is weaker - but it’s not necessarly an example of eery precognition. Juliet thrust herself into Lostie territory trusting her ability to navigate any challenges encountered. Her quick thinking to deflate Sayid/Saywer’s moral high-ground, emphasizing the urgency of Claire’s condition was well-played. It caught Sayid a bit flat-footed for the moment - but he will have other chances. [/QUOTE] Exactly. Juliet is smart and she’s improvising. The only Lostie smart enough to give her any trouble is Sayid, and I’m not convinced he’s taken in by her just yet. ---
**Author:** ![phungi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/phungi/32/395_2.png) [@phungi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/phungi)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-16-one-of-us/399652/82 "2007-04-12T14:02:15Z")
[QUOTE=PunditLisa] So they implanted something inside of Claire that they could remotely turn on/off at will, which would cause her to start bleeding from the nose? How absolutely ridiculous. [/QUOTE] Hey, this is _Lost_… if you want medical accuracy, watch _Grey’s Anatomy_! ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-16-one-of-us/399652/83 "2007-04-12T14:32:25Z")
In a previous thread I thought someone suggested that Juliet’s sister was one of the plane crash survivors. But the video feed Juliet was shown was around the time of the plane flight, so she was not on the plane. So was Juliet’s sister one of the tailees? And along with **UncleRojelio** I want to know where Juliet picked up the ninja fighting skills from last week’s episode. It seemed completely out of character for a medical researcher (although politics in academia can be vicious). Was she getting hand to hand combat training during the three years on the island? Why did they think that was necessary? Perhaps because they needed to defend themselves against those who got the illness affecting Alex’s shipmates? Or was she just learning martial arts for exercise? ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-16-one-of-us/399652/84 "2007-04-12T14:38:46Z")
[QUOTE=Red Barchetta] This just occurred to me: Don’t the “other’s” flashbacks essentially disprove the \*\*“Lost Time” \*\* theory? It seems pretty evident the events shown in the other’s flashbacks correspond with with the amount of time they’ve spent on the island, which suggests that the island’s time has to be running concurrently to the rest of the world’s. [/QUOTE] It’s interesting that Ben said “look at the date, that’s today’s date” about the newspaper. I guess it’s possible that the video footage was from the real world, and they used a paper from years earlier - but they’d have to know to save the paper from the particular corresponding day in island time after Juliet started getting suspicious about her sister. But practically it heavily suggests that Island Time = real time. [QUOTE=Algernon] Though it continues to avoid the meta-question about why the Others don’t simply leave the island. What is it that is so compelling that they remain? [/QUOTE] It’s looking like something related to the regenerative properties. Juliet said something like “I thought you said you people didn’t get cancer” - the way she said it suggests that the people were there, perhaps, had terminal medical conditions that were healed by the island… and that those people had to stay there, but they couldn’t have children. [QUOTE=audit1] I must say that is the fakest looking submarine ever. [/QUOTE] Yeah, my immediate thought was “how the hell does that thing match what was saw of the interior?”… the sub from the outside looked like a tiny sub that might hold a few people in one cramped room, rather than what was shown. Unless it’s very heavily ballasted, with only a small portion of the hull showing at the surface. [QUOTE=storyteller0910] Fair enough. Then how could the Others have predicted that Sayid _would_ fold like wet cardboard when Juliet brought up his past occupation? Seems to me he could have easily said, “You know what, you are right. Claire’s health should be the chief consideration here. This case appears to contain an injection kit, something that our own doctor can probably use without your assistance. Mr. Sawyer, would you kindly return this case to Dr. Shepard, while the woman who put you in a cage and tasered you has a little discussion with me?” Note that I’m not saying this is what Sayid _should_ have done, merely that he _could_ have. The Others’ plans hinge on the idea that he would not, which seems to be either precognitive or awfully risky. [/QUOTE] I don’t necesarily think this is anything specific to lost or has to be answered within the story. Fiction always uses this device - the way things typically happen in any story requires a thousand coincidences that we don’t really stop to consider. ---
**Author:** ![Nars\_Glinley](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nars_glinley/32/8177_2.png) [@Nars\_Glinley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nars_Glinley)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-16-one-of-us/399652/85 "2007-04-12T14:39:33Z")
For those of you without the benefit of slow-motion replay. Here’s my review of what happened in the preview.Tourist photo of Desmond and girlfriend. Rope (cable?) being dragged through sand. Hand picking up rope (cable). Jin bent over. Hurley looking at something. Something that resembles a grey/black shark falling/sliding down a cliff (maybe). Desmond talking to Hurley. Sawyer, Charlie, Jin (pointing) and Hurley looking at something. Closeup of Jin pointing. Kate and Juliet in jungle. Closeup of Sawyer. Closeup of Jack talking to a bleached blonde (Claire?). Ominous feet but they don’t really look like barefeet. Arrow or spear. Desmond yelling. Charlie with deer-in-the-headlights look. Arrow flies. Hurley shoots a gun (appears accidental) with Jin, Sawyer and Charlie in background. Jin on ground grabbing a stick from someone. Juliet open NORAD door from War Games. Sun borrows Charlie’s headlight look. Man with knife. Zoom in on Locke. Sawyer and Kate kissing. Kate’s hand headed toward Sawyer’s nether regions. Legs dangling in the air (not Sawyer or Kate’s). Charlie looks like he was caught mid-hurl. SOS. Something that resembles a grey/black shark falling/sliding down a cliff (maybe). SOS. ARDIL-22. SOS. Hand of Sun’s mouth. Sun talking to Kate. Jack and Juliet eating on beach. Sawyer hits Locke with rock. Locke with a knife to his throat. Sawyer screaming something in Korean. ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-16-one-of-us/399652/86 "2007-04-12T14:42:43Z")
Is there anyone left of the tailies? Just Bernard and Rose, right? Do they know that Godwin killed the guy he killed? By the way, I forget, why _did_ he kill him? -FrL- ---
**Author:** ![brianmelendez](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/65b543/32.png) [@brianmelendez](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brianmelendez)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-16-one-of-us/399652/87 "2007-04-12T14:46:13Z")
[QUOTE=running piglet cheese] Loved Mr. Nonchalant Sawyer getting so emotional seeing Kate return. And also he offered be get Claire aspirin without negotiation. Are they trying to turn him into a nice guy? Where’s the surly Sawyer we’ve come to know and love? [/QUOTE] When Sawyer offered to get the aspirin, Kate and Jack hadn’t returned yet, so Sawyer was still playing the “leader” role that Hurley had cast him in after the “vote you off the island” con. And when Jack does show up on the beach, Sawyer looked genuinely disappointed, like he was getting comfortable in his new role and didn’t want to let it go so soon. ---
**Author:** ![brianmelendez](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/65b543/32.png) [@brianmelendez](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brianmelendez)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-16-one-of-us/399652/88 "2007-04-12T14:48:39Z")
[QUOTE=PunditLisa] Did anyone see the date on the newspaper? I’m assuming the crash happened 3 years ago and it’s now, what, December '04? [/QUOTE] I’m pretty sure that the date on the newspaper was September 22, 2004. ---
**Author:** ![brianmelendez](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/65b543/32.png) [@brianmelendez](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brianmelendez)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-16-one-of-us/399652/89 "2007-04-12T14:56:07Z")
[QUOTE=Algernon] Was Sun impregnated on the island, or before? I don’t remember. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Farmwoman] Kate’s look of horror at the revelation that the mothers on the island all die was accompanied by her looking over her shoulder and a shot of Sun. Kate is the only person she’s confided in that we know of. Did she tell Jin? Can’t remember. [/QUOTE] As far as Sun and Jin know, Jin can shoot only blanks, so the likeliest explanation is that Sun’s affair with Jae Lee bore fruit. Or a miracle has occurred, which is the explanation that Jin adopts when he and Sun reconcile in her garden, and Sun tells him that she is pregnant and swears that she has not been with another man. ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_Prize](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d2c977/32.png) [@Sir\_Prize](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_Prize)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-16-one-of-us/399652/90 "2007-04-12T14:56:56Z")
[QUOTE=Frylock] Is there anyone left of the tailies? Just Bernard and Rose, right? Do they know that Godwin killed the guy he killed? By the way, I forget, why _did_ he kill him? -FrL- [/QUOTE] The stewardess is with the others. Bernard should know that Godwin killed that guy as should other people that Ana Lucia talked to. I think that Godwin said the guy was “bad”. ---
**Author:** ![brianmelendez](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/65b543/32.png) [@brianmelendez](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brianmelendez)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-16-one-of-us/399652/91 "2007-04-12T15:02:45Z")
[QUOTE=Frylock] Is there anyone left of the tailies? Just Bernard and Rose, right? [/QUOTE] Only Bernard was a tailie. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-16-one-of-us/399652/92 "2007-04-12T15:22:24Z")
[QUOTE=Frylock] Is there anyone left of the tailies? Just Bernard and Rose, right? Do they know that Godwin killed the guy he killed? By the way, I forget, why _did_ he kill him? -FrL- [/QUOTE] IIRC Godwin killed him then hid the body. That way Ana Lucia would continue to think the other guy was one of them. She thought he escaped and he wasn’t around to defend himself, therefore AL wouldn’t realize her mistake and start looking for the bad guy somewhere else. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-16-one-of-us/399652/93 "2007-04-12T15:24:34Z")
[QUOTE=Algernon] I thought it was a good episode and put a lot of things in context by answering a few questions. Though it continues to avoid the meta-question about why the Others don’t simply leave the island. What is it that is so compelling that they remain? I think they really believe that they _are_ the good guys. So what is their driving force? Their motivation to endure, deceive, kidnap, and murder? [/QUOTE] They are trying to save the world. What does it matter if a few people get hurt along the way? You can’t make an omlet without cracking a few skulls. ---
**Author:** ![Pazu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pazu/32/15522_2.png) [@Pazu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pazu)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-16-one-of-us/399652/94 "2007-04-12T15:28:54Z")
Well, now we know the significance of Sawyer’s reading _Watership Down_… 😛 ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-16-one-of-us/399652/95 "2007-04-12T15:29:56Z")
[QUOTE=brianmelendez] I’m pretty sure that the date on the newspaper was September 22, 2004. [/QUOTE] Yeah, the day the plane crashed. And we’ve known since the end of season 2 that Island time = real time because of the computer printouts that showed the dates. > [@bm](#): > > As far as Sun and Jin know, Jin can shoot only blanks… I don’t think Jin knows. The doctor made a point of telling only Sun. ---
**Author:** ![tanstaafl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ba8739/32.png) [@tanstaafl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tanstaafl)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-16-one-of-us/399652/96 "2007-04-12T15:33:13Z")
[QUOTE=brianmelendez] As far as Sun and Jin know, Jin can shoot only blanks, so the likeliest explanation is that Sun’s affair with Jae Lee bore fruit. Or a miracle has occurred, which is the explanation that Jin adopts when he and Sun reconcile in her garden, and Sun tells him that she is pregnant and swears that she has not been with another man. [/QUOTE] No, as far as Sun knows Jin is impotent, Jin doesn’t know that. The doctor told them both that _Sun_ was unable to get pregnant and only told Sun (alone) about Jin later. He said that he was afraid of Jin’s reaction if he told the truth. For at least part of the time that Sun was with Jae, she thought she couldn’t get pregnant. [QUOTE=loach] They are trying to save the world. What does it matter if a few people get hurt along the way? You can’t make an omlet without cracking a few skulls. [/quote] DHARMA is trying to save the world, not necessarily the Others. It’s becoming clear that the Others are the group that DHARMA called “The Hostiles” and that they aren’t the same group and don’t necessarily have the same agenda. ---
**Author:** ![Algernon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a183cd/32.png) [@Algernon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algernon)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-16-one-of-us/399652/97 "2007-04-12T15:40:18Z")
[QUOTE=brianmelendez] As far as Sun and Jin know, Jin can shoot only blanks, so the likeliest explanation is that Sun’s affair with Jae Lee bore fruit. Or a miracle has occurred, which is the explanation that Jin adopts when he and Sun reconcile in her garden, and Sun tells him that she is pregnant and swears that she has not been with another man. [/QUOTE] Ah yes. Thanks. I couldn’t remember all this. Assuming that the pregnancy problem truly occurs at conception\*, and the late Jae Lee is the father of Sun’s child, then Sun is in no danger with her pregnancy. \*Juliet’s attribution of Claire as a control subject reinforces that this is what Juliet and the Others believe. ---
**Author:** ![Algernon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a183cd/32.png) [@Algernon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algernon)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-16-one-of-us/399652/98 "2007-04-12T15:42:56Z")
[QUOTE=tanstaafl] DHARMA is trying to save the world, not necessarily the Others. It’s becoming clear that the Others are the group that DHARMA called “The Hostiles” and that they aren’t the same group and don’t necessarily have the same agenda. [/QUOTE] If the Others aren’t trying to save the world, then why would they believe themselves to be the “good guys”? I think they view DHARMA as among the “bad guys”. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-16-one-of-us/399652/99 "2007-04-12T15:46:37Z")
[QUOTE=Algernon] If the Others aren’t trying to save the world, then why would they believe themselves to be the “good guys”? I think they view DHARMA as among the “bad guys”. [/QUOTE] Didja ever know \*anyone \* that thought they, themselves, were the bad guys? ---
**Author:** ![Annie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/858c86/32.png) [@Annie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-16-one-of-us/399652/100 "2007-04-12T15:54:26Z")
If Sun got pregnant before the crash, she’d better start showing soon. She’s a mighty slim lady to be hiding a four month oven bun. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-16-one-of-us/399652.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-16-one-of-us/399652.md?page=6)