# Lost 3.19: "The Brig" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 2, 2007, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-19-the-brig/402452 "2007-05-02T13:41:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Kythereia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e8c25b/32.png) [@Kythereia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kythereia)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2007, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-19-the-brig/402452/41 "2007-05-03T03:16:39Z")
[QUOTE=ZipperJJ] JULIET: “I have really big eyes.” [/QUOTE] Elizabeth Mitchell is gorgeous. Really. I find her absolutely striking. But for the love of God, she looks like she’s been forcibly Botoxed every time she tries to form a facial expression… [QUOTE=N9IWP] And someone actually brought out the “we’re all dead and this is hell” theory. Except there is strong evidence that this isn’t the case [/QUOTE] I think the producers actually ruled out purgatory in one of their podcasts, but didn’t explicitly say anything about hell or heaven. Talk about anvilicious, though, this episode. 🙂 The little woobie shipper heart of mine melted to see how tenderly Desmond is taking care of Naomi–his link to Penelope–and how utterly thrilled he looked while Naomi was talking… And Hurley’s line. Sawyer: “I was going to take a leak. You?” Hurley: “Yeah, uh… us too.” Sawyer: _looking between him and Jin_ :dubious: “Right, then…” ---
**Author:** ![bouv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bc8723/32.png) [@bouv](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bouv)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2007, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-19-the-brig/402452/42 "2007-05-03T03:17:31Z")
[QUOTE=N9IWP] That radio communications haven’t worked since purple sky? [/QUOTE] I’m guessing that’s it, since she mentioned it right after Kate mentioned the Sat phone. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2007, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-19-the-brig/402452/43 "2007-05-03T03:30:48Z")
[QUOTE=bouv] I’m guessing that’s it, since she mentioned it right after Kate mentioned the Sat phone. [/QUOTE] Nah theres something else. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2007, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-19-the-brig/402452/44 "2007-05-03T03:32:58Z")
[QUOTE=Annie] No flashback tonight! ('bout frakking time) [/QUOTE] Well, technically it was a flashback to an earlier point on the island, which they’ve done before as the “flashback”. But all island scenes, yes. ---
**Author:** ![Soapbox\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed655f/32.png) [@Soapbox\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Soapbox_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2007, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-19-the-brig/402452/45 "2007-05-03T03:34:20Z")
[QUOTE=jmwatts] Was all the hell/purgatory stuff thrown in there just to tease us? The producers have definitively stated that they are _not_ in purgatory, so why bother? [/QUOTE] It’s becoming increasingly obvious that the writers of Lost are aware of all the theories and debates floating around online and they’re deciding to mess with us a little. I like it. ---
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2007, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-19-the-brig/402452/46 "2007-05-03T03:37:16Z")
[QUOTE=Loach] Nah theres something else. [/QUOTE] But it’s complicated. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2007, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-19-the-brig/402452/47 "2007-05-03T03:38:41Z")
[QUOTE=N9IWP] What did Julieet want to tell Kate that Jack didn’t? [/QUOTE] Maybe Jack and Juliet just got engaged. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2007, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-19-the-brig/402452/48 "2007-05-03T03:44:16Z")
[QUOTE=Wile E] But it’s complicated. [/QUOTE] I wish there was a Juliet staring at the camera smilie. ---
**Author:** ![Fiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e274bd/32.png) [@Fiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiver)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2007, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-19-the-brig/402452/49 "2007-05-03T03:51:08Z")
[QUOTE=Trion] If you could hijack a signal coming from an underwater robot camera and feed it images of, say, a crashed plane full of dead bodies - why, that would be almost like faking a plane crash. Lots easier too. [/QUOTE] Needlessly complicated, and unlikely besides. Radio waves don’t travel well through water, so most robot submersibles communicate via cable. A phony or bought-off salvage operation seems more plausible to me. ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2007, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-19-the-brig/402452/50 "2007-05-03T04:17:27Z")
And another thing – if the writers wanted to go dark in this episode and have Sawyer strangle someone who can’t defend himself – why didn’t they have Locke cut off Cooper’s head? Why make him carry the body all over the jungle? Makes him look stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Yeeter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/96bed5/32.png) [@Yeeter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeeter)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2007, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-19-the-brig/402452/51 "2007-05-03T04:26:26Z")
I think the “We’re in Hell.” comment was a wink at us forumers. As far as how Cooper got there, are we to believe he was kidnapped and taken to the island? To get to Locke? Assuming Ben orchestrated that, to what end? To humiliate Locke? That seems kind of flimsy. Any other guesses? So, the “Big Box” is figurative? I don’t get it… I liked the episode, but after all of that, not sure if we answered any questions, it all seemed kind of self-contained. In other words, we found out that Locke was unable to kill the man who conned him, but Sawyer was. Not too much on the side story of the helicopter survivor. That’s about it. Am I missing something? ---
**Author:** ![OpalCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8edcca/32.png) [@OpalCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OpalCat)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2007, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-19-the-brig/402452/52 "2007-05-03T04:31:49Z")
Yeah right, you actually think Locke would be capable of hacking Cooper’s head off?!? ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2007, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-19-the-brig/402452/53 "2007-05-03T04:32:24Z")
[QUOTE=Yeeter] As far as how Cooper got there, are we to believe he was kidnapped and taken to the island? [/QUOTE] What else could it be? Maybe Henry told Cooper that if he told Locke that cockamamie story about a car accident, he’d let him go, or give him some money. Or a kidney. That killing was a bit too cold-blooded for me, for this show. I’m hoping it was faked somehow, but it looked pretty real. ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2007, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-19-the-brig/402452/54 "2007-05-03T04:33:49Z")
[QUOTE=OpalCat] Yeah right, you actually think Locke would be capable of hacking Cooper’s head off?!? [/QUOTE] Nah. I was trying to be funny. Or sardonic, or something. Guess it didn’t work. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![pinkfreud](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pinkfreud/32/17603_2.png) [@pinkfreud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pinkfreud)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2007, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-19-the-brig/402452/55 "2007-05-03T04:39:27Z")
[QUOTE=AuntiePam] And another thing – if the writers wanted to go dark in this episode and have Sawyer strangle someone who can’t defend himself – why didn’t they have Locke cut off Cooper’s head? Why make him carry the body all over the jungle? Makes him look stupid. [/QUOTE] Maybe Ben wants to make Locke look stupid, or at least wants to make things difficult for him. Ben seemed to enjoy humiliating Locke in front of the crowd when Locke was unable to kill his father. As Ben and the group left Locke, Ben said this: “We’ll leave a trail so you can follow. Oh, and John – unless you’re carrying your father’s body on your back, don’t bother.” He could just as well have asked for the head. Asking for the entire body seems to be the deliberate imposition of a burden. As penance for Locke’s having failed initially? Or because Ben is a snarky, mean-spirited little weasel? Or because the writers didn’t want to get too gruesome so soon after the Paolo & Nikki shocker? Dunno. But I am going to keep watching in the hope that the season ender will be a doozy. ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2007, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-19-the-brig/402452/56 "2007-05-03T05:09:29Z")
[QUOTE=pinkfreud] Maybe Ben wants to make Locke look stupid, or at least wants to make things difficult for him. Ben seemed to enjoy humiliating Locke in front of the crowd when Locke was unable to kill his father. [/QUOTE] Something felt wrong with that whole scene. I don’t think Ben or any of the Others expected Locke to kill Cooper. It was like an initiation, where everyone but the initiate was in on the set-up. But why set it up? It’s not like The Others are looking for a bloodthirsty new leader. I missed the Nikki and Paolo episode, so this is the darkest one I’ve seen so far. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2007, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-19-the-brig/402452/57 "2007-05-03T06:21:48Z")
[QUOTE=AuntiePam] That killing was a bit too cold-blooded for me, for this show. I’m hoping it was faked somehow, but it looked pretty real. [/QUOTE] That wasn’t cold blooded at all. Cold blooded implies impassionate, detached, an intellectual decision to commit murder. Here Sawyer is, absolutely full of emotion because he met the man who ruined his life, and all this man does is practically dare Sawyer to kill him by antagonizing him as much as possible. That’s a hot-blooded killing if there ever was one. Is it in character for him to be such an ass when his life (his… afterlife?) was in danger? The guy was practically egging on everyone there to kill him. It seems like if he was such a successful con artist, he’d be good at acting, assessing situations… and wouldn’t basically dare people to kill him. Which means either the character is such a ridiculously over the top irredeemable dick that he can’t even act nice when people are going to kill him, or that for some reason the character intended to bait someone into killing him - if he was a manifestation of the island, or whatever, maybe it was part of the plan. ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2007, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-19-the-brig/402452/58 "2007-05-03T06:33:47Z")
[QUOTE=SenorBeef] That wasn’t cold blooded at all. Cold blooded implies impassionate, detached, an intellectual decision to commit murder. Here Sawyer is, absolutely full of emotion because he met the man who ruined his life, and all this man does is practically dare Sawyer to kill him by antagonizing him as much as possible. That’s a hot-blooded killing if there ever was one. Is it in character for him to be such an ass when his life (his… afterlife?) was in danger? The guy was practically egging on everyone there to kill him. It seems like if he was such a successful con artist, he’d be good at acting, assessing situations… and wouldn’t basically dare people to kill him. Which means either the character is such a ridiculously over the top irredeemable dick that he can’t even act nice when people are going to kill him, or that for some reason the character intended to bait someone into killing him - if he was a manifestation of the island, or whatever, maybe it was part of the plan. [/QUOTE] I concur. I am not certain, but it did seem to me that the guy wasn’t acting like the Cooper we know. And I’m quite certain I’m wrong about the following, but I couldn’t shake it: I had the distinct impression that Cooper had acquired Ben’s accent, somehow. -FrL- ---
**Author:** ![Rich\_Mann](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ce73a5/32.png) [@Rich\_Mann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rich_Mann)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2007, 6:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-19-the-brig/402452/59 "2007-05-03T06:48:47Z")
In light of Cooper’s stated belief that he died in that ambulance and that this is Hell, his actions seem less unreasonable. He can be as big a dick as he wants to anyone. ‘You can’t kill me–I’m already dead!’ ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2007, 6:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-19-the-brig/402452/60 "2007-05-03T06:55:53Z")
[QUOTE=AuntiePam] And another thing – if the writers wanted to go dark in this episode and have Sawyer strangle someone who can’t defend himself – why didn’t they have Locke cut off Cooper’s head? Why make him carry the body all over the jungle? Makes him look stupid. [/QUOTE] I thought the same thing. Just the head. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-19-the-brig/402452.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-19-the-brig/402452.md?page=4)