# Lost 3.19: "The Brig" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 2, 2007, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-19-the-brig/402452 "2007-05-02T13:41:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![zev\_steinhardt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/97f17d/32.png) [@zev\_steinhardt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zev_steinhardt)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2007, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-19-the-brig/402452/101 "2007-05-03T18:43:49Z")
I have what may sound like a silly question, but here goes… Naomi said that “Oceanic 815” was found off the coast of Bali. Sydney (where the flight originated from) is on the east coast of Australia. To get to Los Angeles from Sydney, you would keep flying east. You can see by looking at the [Great Circle](http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gc?MAP-STYLE=&MARKER-STYLE=default&PATH=SYD-LAX&PATH-COLOR=red&PATH-STYLE=&PATH-UNITS=mi&RANGE=&RANGE-COLOR=navy&RANGE-STYLE=best&SPEED-GROUND=&SPEED-UNITS=kts) route, the airplane would never get anywhere near Bali, which is to the NW of Australia. So, why would Oceanic 815 be found off the coast of Bali? Zev Steinhardt ---
**Author:** ![Fiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e274bd/32.png) [@Fiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiver)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2007, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-19-the-brig/402452/102 "2007-05-03T18:49:21Z")
[QUOTE=Loach] Not much to [get.](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0242949/) A previous role of Nestor Carbonel’s. It does mean that you have lost your geek cred. [/QUOTE] Oh! Oh! Can I rip the patch off his sleeve? ---
**Author:** ![Kythereia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e8c25b/32.png) [@Kythereia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kythereia)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2007, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-19-the-brig/402452/103 "2007-05-03T19:03:42Z")
[QUOTE=zev\_steinhardt] So, why would Oceanic 815 be found off the coast of Bali? [/QUOTE] Because the crashed flight is Fakey McFakerson from Fakeville, Fakeonia. Serious answer: the plane might have blown off course, or run out of fuel and tried to ditch… doesn’t make a lot of sense to me, either. ---
**Author:** ![Nature\_s\_Call](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nature_s_call/32/19006_2.png) [@Nature\_s\_Call](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nature_s_Call)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2007, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-19-the-brig/402452/104 "2007-05-03T19:09:48Z")
[QUOTE=Kythereia] Because the crashed flight is Fakey McFakerson from Fakeville, Fakeonia. [/QUOTE] I am so stealing this line! You made me literally laugh out loud. ---
**Author:** ![percussion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/43a26b/32.png) [@percussion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/percussion)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2007, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-19-the-brig/402452/105 "2007-05-03T19:11:48Z")
[QUOTE=UncleRojelio] What’s in the box? [/QUOTE] brad pitt voice/ “C’maaaaan whats in the baax”/brad pitt voice ---
**Author:** ![percussion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/43a26b/32.png) [@percussion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/percussion)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2007, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-19-the-brig/402452/106 "2007-05-03T19:17:08Z")
Im so lame…as soon as i saw “whats in the box” i did my post…everyone got to the joke before than me ☹ ---
**Author:** ![UncleRojelio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/unclerojelio/32/3160_2.png) [@UncleRojelio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleRojelio)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2007, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-19-the-brig/402452/107 "2007-05-03T19:24:41Z")
[QUOTE=percussion] Im so lame…as soon as i saw “whats in the box” i did my post…everyone got to the joke before than me ☹ [/QUOTE] That’s okay. Apparently, if I had typed it more like you did, some of the more “whoosh-challenged” members here would have gotten it. ---
**Author:** ![Fiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e274bd/32.png) [@Fiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiver)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2007, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-19-the-brig/402452/108 "2007-05-03T19:25:14Z")
[QUOTE=zev\_steinhardt] Naomi said that “Oceanic 815” was found off the coast of Bali. Sydney (where the flight originated from) is on the east coast of Australia. To get to Los Angeles from Sydney, you would keep flying east. You can see by looking at the [Great Circle](http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gc?MAP-STYLE=&MARKER-STYLE=default&PATH=SYD-LAX&PATH-COLOR=red&PATH-STYLE=&PATH-UNITS=mi&RANGE=&RANGE-COLOR=navy&RANGE-STYLE=best&SPEED-GROUND=&SPEED-UNITS=kts) route, the airplane would never get anywhere near Bali, which is to the NW of Australia. [/QUOTE] Well, the pilot (in, heh, the pilot) told us 815 was 1,000 miles off course when she crashed, bound for Fiji. Is Bali within 1,000 miles of any part of the Sydney-Los Angeles route? ---
**Author:** ![Kythereia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e8c25b/32.png) [@Kythereia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kythereia)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2007, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-19-the-brig/402452/109 "2007-05-03T19:32:35Z")
[QUOTE=Nature’s Call] I am so stealing this line! You made me literally laugh out loud. [/QUOTE] _doffs hat_ Thankee kindly, ma’am. 😉 [QUOTE=Fiver] Is Bali within 1,000 miles of any part of the Sydney-Los Angeles route? [/QUOTE] Bali’s roughly 4,238 miles away from Fiji, and 2,875 miles away from Sydney. The closest landfall from Fiji within a thousand miles is Vanuatu, possibly New Caledonia or Tuvalu and Tonga. _Somebody_’s not telling the truth, at any rate. ---
**Author:** ![phungi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/phungi/32/395_2.png) [@phungi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/phungi)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2007, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-19-the-brig/402452/110 "2007-05-03T19:33:48Z")
[QUOTE=UncleRojelio] > [@](#): > > Originally Posted by Nature’s Call > I think UncleRojelio’s post should be read in the voice of Brad Pitt. Thank you very much. [/QUOTE] Sorry if I doubted your movie knowledge prowess, Uncle… ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2007, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-19-the-brig/402452/111 "2007-05-03T19:48:25Z")
[QUOTE=Kythereia] Bali’s roughly 4,238 miles away from Fiji, and 2,875 miles away from Sydney. The closest landfall from Fiji within a thousand miles is Vanuatu, possibly New Caledonia or Tuvalu and Tonga. _Somebody_’s not telling the truth, at any rate. [/QUOTE] “Roughly” 4,238 miles? 🙂 Yeah, I was wondering about the whole Bali thing in light of what the pilot said in the pilot. Is it possible that this wasn’t a non-stop flight and so wasn’t flying directly to LA..? ---
**Author:** ![well\_he\_s\_back](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/3ab097/32.png) [@well\_he\_s\_back](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/well_he_s_back)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2007, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-19-the-brig/402452/112 "2007-05-03T20:15:33Z")
Thoughts & Queries: -I was distracted, so didn’t catch why Naomi seemed irritated with Sayid’s perfectly normal questions. Any ideas? -Add Kate to the stupid list. Why oh why would she spill to Juliet/Jack like that? -I can forgive Sawyer for manslaughter a lot easier than I can forgive Locke for his general overall dumbness. Unlike many fans, I like this character less and less. Yes, he, like Ben & Juliet, make the plots interesting. But I sure as heck don’t like the characters. Why would Locke want to join this cult he knows virtually nothing about, that makes you kill people as an initiation? If he’s still just infiltrating them, well, I don’t care; what he did to Sawyer was crappy. -Oh how lucky the Losties are to have Sayid and Desmond. -How does the guy who recruited Juliet get on and off the island? Does he have his own special sub? ---
**Author:** ![Gfactor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de053/32.png) [@Gfactor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gfactor)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2007, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-19-the-brig/402452/113 "2007-05-03T20:20:36Z")
So Locke didn’t argue with the Others about Kate coming along? somebody got conned! ---
**Author:** ![BobT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8e8cbc/32.png) [@BobT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobT)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2007, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-19-the-brig/402452/114 "2007-05-03T20:20:57Z")
[QUOTE=well he’s back] Thoughts & Queries: -I was distracted, so didn’t catch why Naomi seemed irritated with Sayid’s perfectly normal questions. Any ideas? -Add Kate to the stupid list. Why oh why would she spill to Juliet/Jack like that? [/QUOTE] Naomi felt like she was trying to do Sayid and his friends a favor and all she got out of it was a near-death experience and Sayid doubting that she was on the up and up. That would tick me off. Kate spilled to Juliet and Jack because she figured that she should be up front with them about how much everybody distrusted Juliet, and, by extension, Jack. Jack and Juliet would figure out what was going on soon enough. But, you know, it’s complicated. ---
**Author:** ![UncleRojelio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/unclerojelio/32/3160_2.png) [@UncleRojelio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleRojelio)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2007, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-19-the-brig/402452/115 "2007-05-03T20:23:03Z")
[QUOTE=phungi] Sorry if I doubted your movie knowledge prowess, Uncle… [/QUOTE] I just got lucky on that one. My kids get sick of hearing my Brad Pitt impression every time the UPS man comes to the door. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2007, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-19-the-brig/402452/116 "2007-05-03T20:29:14Z")
[QUOTE=BobT] Naomi felt like she was trying to do Sayid and his friends a favor and all she got out of it was a near-death experience and Sayid doubting that she was on the up and up. That would tick me off. Kate spilled to Juliet and Jack because she figured that she should be up front with them about how much everybody distrusted Juliet, and, by extension, Jack. Jack and Juliet would figure out what was going on soon enough. But, you know, it’s complicated. [/QUOTE] And because Kate’s an idiot. She doesn’t love or really even _want_ Jack, but she’s frantic for his approval, so of course the minute she has information he might want she’s going to bring it to him like a kitten with a dead bird. “Now are we buddies, Jack, huh, huh, are we? You like me now, right?” ---
**Author:** ![Gfactor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de053/32.png) [@Gfactor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gfactor)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2007, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-19-the-brig/402452/117 "2007-05-03T20:31:57Z")
[QUOTE=BobT] Naomi felt like she was trying to do Sayid and his friends a favor and all she got out of it was a near-death experience and Sayid doubting that she was on the up and up. That would tick me off. [/QUOTE] Paraphrase: Sayid: (impatiently)and I suppose you’ve got no way of contacting this ship, do you? Naomi: (giving stink eye) (hands Sayid the sat phone) [how’d she get that back, anyway?] > [@](#): > > Kate spilled to Juliet and Jack because she figured that she should be up front with them about how much everybody distrusted Juliet, and, by extension, Jack. Jack and Juliet would figure out what was going on soon enough. Jack showd a remarkable lack of insight here, btw. How could he expect otherwise? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2007, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-19-the-brig/402452/118 "2007-05-03T20:36:09Z")
[QUOTE=storyteller0910] And because Kate’s an idiot. She doesn’t love or really even _want_ Jack, but she’s frantic for his approval, so of course the minute she has information he might want she’s going to bring it to him like a kitten with a dead bird. “Now are we buddies, Jack, huh, huh, are we? You like me now, right?” [/QUOTE] I don’t think Kate knows what she wants, but she doesn’t want anyone else to have something (or someone) that she _might_ want. She wants both Jack and Sawyer to chase after her, and then she’ll push them away when they try to get too close. In fact she’s just like… well, you’re probably not interested in that story. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Hampshire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hampshire/32/4887_2.png) [@Hampshire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hampshire)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2007, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-19-the-brig/402452/119 "2007-05-03T20:47:02Z")
[QUOTE=well he’s back] Why would Locke want to join this cult he knows virtually nothing about, that makes you kill people as an initiation? If he’s still just infiltrating them, well, I don’t care; what he did to Sawyer was crappy. [/QUOTE] I thought Locke was pretty clear about his motives. He wasn’t joining their cult or infiltrating them. He was working on his own to get answers for himself. ---
**Author:** ![well\_he\_s\_back](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/3ab097/32.png) [@well\_he\_s\_back](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/well_he_s_back)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2007, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-19-the-brig/402452/120 "2007-05-03T20:52:51Z")
Hampshire - If Locke were truly working on his own, why would he need to lug his Daddy’s body back to Ben?? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-19-the-brig/402452.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-19-the-brig/402452.md?page=7)