# Lost 3.21: Greatest Hits
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-21-greatest-hits/404361
**Category:** Cafe Society
**Created:** [May 16, 2007, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-21-greatest-hits/404361 "2007-05-16T19:44:30Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)
#### Post date: [May 17, 2007, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-21-greatest-hits/404361/61 "2007-05-17T14:00:25Z")
[QUOTE=tanstaafl]
Oh yeah, Charlie said in a very early episode (I think it was _White Rabbit_, ironically enough) that he couldn’t swim.
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Speaking of rabbits, what the heck is it with Ben’s family killing bunnies? First ben uses them (multiple times) for his plans and now Alex is chopping one up for her man.
I like eating rabbit but that just seems to be a vendetta.
A few other thoughts:
- I’m not going to assume Ben knows about the women in the station. He likely does, but I’m entertaining the notion that they are Dharma originals. Possibly a grown up (his childhood girlfriend’s name escapes me).
- I think Ben sent his goons early not for a strategic reason but because he was irrationally pissed.
- Richard intrigues me more and more. He doesn’t seem like one of Ben’s disciples as much as an observer.
- I agree. The explosion in the woods was ridiculous. Couldn’t Jack have just told them? However, that explosion WAS really cool.
- Charlie really got me this episode. I was disappointed when his (likely) death was postponed. That would have been a fantastic exit episode. His list had me choked up a bit (I like Dom M, but not his character). One thing- The scene where Charlie saves the woman (it was really Nadia? She looked Eastern European to me. I’ll defer to you guys, but that surprises me). Anyway, that scene also took place in Des’s time travel flashback. I remember Charlie playing Oasis (which cracks me up) and the rain came suddenly.
- The underwater station looked pretty badass.
- I loved the first scene with Carl. “Yeah, we know.” “I told them…but thanks, Carl.”
I’m really stoked for the finale.
Yesterday as I was waiting for John Mace to post, I jotted down a few mysteries I’d like to see brought back up or advanced:
- Black and White Rocks/Adam and Eve
- LaMer Lyrics
- Sawyer’s Lotto Girlfriend
- The Mental Hospital/Libby (I really feel real world events ruined the Libby mystery. There was somethig more to her that we will never learn. I _suspect_ Libby’s character was supposed to have Juliet’s role.) Plus, Mama Locke was also at the hospital.
- Ghost Walt. Hell, Walt altogether. Again, real world screws the mystery.
- The Shark. Was anyone else thinking the shark was going to make an apperance last night?
- The Degroots. I thought we might see them last week.
- Randy. Locke’s sadistic boss. Not a real mystery. I just want another appearance.
- Henry Gale/Widmore. Poor Henry is most famous for Ben stealing his identity. Why the hell steal his name? Who was he?
- The Psychic. Was he a scammer?
- Kelvin. His story is way more important now.
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### Author:  [@Risha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Risha)
#### Post date: [May 17, 2007, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-21-greatest-hits/404361/62 "2007-05-17T14:08:05Z")
[QUOTE=Frylock]
So what’s Alex’s angle, exactly?
-FrL-
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I don’t think she has an angle. She reads to me like a genuinely nice person who is under the thumb of a very scary and powerful father. I like Carl too.
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### Author:  [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)
#### Post date: [May 17, 2007, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-21-greatest-hits/404361/63 "2007-05-17T14:08:41Z")
[QUOTE=tanstaafl]
…
The cable to the Looking Glass was labeled “Anchor Cable” on Sayid’s diagram, so cutting it probably wouldn’t have done anything. (The station looked to be pretty well attached to its own pylons, so why it needed an anchor cable is beyond me.)
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Yeah, I heard Sayid say it was an anchor cable.
Re: Charlie swimming. He learned to swim with his dad in a pool. I would guess that he hasn’t done a lot of ocean swimming. Swimming in an ocean with waves and currents is a lot different. If you’re a mediocre swimmer in a pool, you’re probably not going to be very confident in the ocean. I think he lied about being a swim champ just to keep Jack from giving him a hard time.
I wonder if Alex will go looking for Locke?
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### Author:  [@Fiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiver)
#### Post date: [May 17, 2007, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-21-greatest-hits/404361/64 "2007-05-17T14:14:56Z")
[QUOTE=Omniscient]
I wager that Desmond comes to on the boat a while later and realizes that Charlie hasn’t made it back and that there’s activity in the underwater station. He decides to go down and slips in unnoticed and rescues Charlie from the bi-sexual amazon women.
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[spoiler]“You’re in great peril!” he’ll tell Charlie, as the Looking Glass’s man-hungry crew prepares to bathe Charlie and give him oral sex.
“Can’t I have just a little peril?” Charlie will protest, as Desmond drags him back to the moon pool.[/spoiler]
On a tangential topic, I hope the Looking Glass crew is taking Vitamin D supplements.
Are there any such structures as the Looking Glass in real life? The only other such I have ever heard of was the submarine house in [Hello Down There](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0064417/), and of course that one was also fictional.
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### Author:  [@Fiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiver)
#### Post date: [May 17, 2007, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-21-greatest-hits/404361/65 "2007-05-17T14:19:25Z")
[QUOTE=middleman]
- I’m not going to assume Ben knows about the women in the station. He likely does, but I’m entertaining the notion that they are Dharma originals. Possibly a grown up (his childhood girlfriend’s name escapes me).
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This occurred to me too, but I can’t imagine why Dharma originals would be jamming radio transmissions.
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### Author:  [@Jurph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jurph)
#### Post date: [May 17, 2007, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-21-greatest-hits/404361/66 "2007-05-17T14:20:56Z")
[QUOTE=Wile E]
I think he lied about being a swim champ just to keep Jack from giving him a hard time.
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He absolutely lied. Remember, though, that Juliet knows everyone’s backgrounds, so any claims about “back home” have to pass her BS test. Watch the scene closely, and you’ll see her smirk dubiously at Charlie’s claim – but she lets it by, for her own reasons. The writers could easily have gotten her out of the scene so he could lie with impunity.
So why does she want Charlie to go swimming? Does she truly not know what’s down there? Or is she secretly putting together an all-girl post-punk band down in the hatch, and needs Charlie to give guitar lessons?
“Hey, thanks! We’re THE OTHERS and we’d like to slow it down now with a little Oasis cover. One, two, one-two-three-four!”
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### Author:  [@UncleRojelio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleRojelio)
#### Post date: [May 17, 2007, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-21-greatest-hits/404361/67 "2007-05-17T14:25:48Z")
[QUOTE=Fiver]
Are there any such structures as the Looking Glass in real life?
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[Yeah](http://www.uncw.edu/aquarius/), search for “undersea laboratory”.
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### Author:  [@Risha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Risha)
#### Post date: [May 17, 2007, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-21-greatest-hits/404361/68 "2007-05-17T14:30:24Z")
[QUOTE=tanstaafl]
Did anyone besides me think Naomi’s interaction with Charlie was a bit odd? She recognizes him as the “rock star” then starts talking about how there was a big memorial for him and that there was a new “Greatest Hits” album released.
Greatest hits? Wouldn’t that be, like, a _single_ for Driveshaft? They only had two albums, apparently.
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Actually, that rang really true to me (though she, herself does not, necessarily). [There](http://www.amazon.com/16-Greatest-Hits-Steppenwolf/dp/B000002NZ5/ref=sr_1_108/002-2759092-7860063?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1179411794&sr=1-108) [are](http://www.amazon.com/America-Complete-Greatest-Hits/dp/B00005MLVA/ref=sr_1_118/002-2759092-7860063?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1179411463&sr=1-118) [many](http://www.amazon.com/Helen-Reddy-All-Time-Greatest-Hits/dp/B000002TGF/ref=sr_1_51/002-2759092-7860063?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1179411239&sr=1-51) [a](http://www.amazon.com/Rose-Royce-Greatest-Hits-Whitfield/dp/B000002KLH/ref=sr_1_77/002-2759092-7860063?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1179411370&sr=1-77) [one](http://www.amazon.com/Smokie-Greatest-Hits/dp/B00000GBH2/ref=sr_1_135/002-2759092-7860063?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1179411536&sr=1-135) [hit](http://www.amazon.com/War-Grooves-Messages-Greatest-Hits/dp/B00000J63N/ref=sr_1_151/002-2759092-7860063?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1179411908&sr=1-151) [wonder](http://www.amazon.com/Collection-Roxette-Hits-Their-Greatest/dp/B000JJSPXQ/ref=sr_1_290/002-2759092-7860063?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1179412152&sr=1-290) with greatest hits CDs out there, and a dramatic death of a B-list star being played up by the media is hardly unknown.
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### Author:  [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)
#### Post date: [May 17, 2007, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-21-greatest-hits/404361/69 "2007-05-17T14:34:05Z")
Why were the Others wearing costumes in season one?
-FrL-
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### Author:  [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)
#### Post date: [May 17, 2007, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-21-greatest-hits/404361/70 "2007-05-17T14:34:45Z")
Steppenwolf and Roxette have at least two or three hits each!
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### Author:  [@UncleRojelio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleRojelio)
#### Post date: [May 17, 2007, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-21-greatest-hits/404361/71 "2007-05-17T14:42:29Z")
[QUOTE=tanstaafl]
Did anyone besides me think Naomi’s interaction with Charlie was a bit odd? She recognizes him as the “rock star” then starts talking about how there was a big memorial for him and that there was a new “Greatest Hits” album released.
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Weren’t they also from the same geographic area? No big strech to imagine Charlie’s death would get more play in his home town.
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### Author:  [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)
#### Post date: [May 17, 2007, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-21-greatest-hits/404361/72 "2007-05-17T14:52:00Z")
[QUOTE=Jurph]
So why does she want Charlie to go swimming? Does she truly not know what’s down there? Or is she secretly putting together an all-girl post-punk band down in the hatch, and needs Charlie to give guitar lessons?
[/QUOTE]
She’s evil and manipulating Jack because he’s a tard and by extension the entire camp because they’re defaulting to Jack - a man who has shown all the judgement skills of a guy who is forced to wear a bicycle helmet around the house.
She doesn’t give a shit about Charlie, she doesn’t expect him to get by the Amazonian Guards, and she certainly doesn’t care about getting rescued.
-Joe
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### Author:  [@Fiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiver)
#### Post date: [May 17, 2007, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-21-greatest-hits/404361/73 "2007-05-17T14:52:50Z")
[QUOTE=Risha]
Actually, that rang really true to me (though she, herself does not, necessarily). [There](http://www.amazon.com/16-Greatest-Hits-Steppenwolf/dp/B000002NZ5/ref=sr_1_108/002-2759092-7860063?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1179411794&sr=1-108) [are](http://www.amazon.com/America-Complete-Greatest-Hits/dp/B00005MLVA/ref=sr_1_118/002-2759092-7860063?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1179411463&sr=1-118) [many](http://www.amazon.com/Helen-Reddy-All-Time-Greatest-Hits/dp/B000002TGF/ref=sr_1_51/002-2759092-7860063?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1179411239&sr=1-51) [a](http://www.amazon.com/Rose-Royce-Greatest-Hits-Whitfield/dp/B000002KLH/ref=sr_1_77/002-2759092-7860063?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1179411370&sr=1-77) [one](http://www.amazon.com/Smokie-Greatest-Hits/dp/B00000GBH2/ref=sr_1_135/002-2759092-7860063?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1179411536&sr=1-135) [hit](http://www.amazon.com/War-Grooves-Messages-Greatest-Hits/dp/B00000J63N/ref=sr_1_151/002-2759092-7860063?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1179411908&sr=1-151) [wonder](http://www.amazon.com/Collection-Roxette-Hits-Their-Greatest/dp/B000JJSPXQ/ref=sr_1_290/002-2759092-7860063?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1179412152&sr=1-290) with greatest hits CDs out there, and a dramatic death of a B-list star being played up by the media is hardly unknown.
[/QUOTE]
I agree with your point, but not all of your examples. America and Helen Reddy both had a string of hits.
Still, we should remember that for the 815ers it’s still late 2004 and they’ve only been on the island for 90 days. Is it credible that a greatest hits CD could be produced and rushed into stores that quickly? Would they have gotten it ready for the Christmas rush?
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### Author:  [@Ponster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ponster)
#### Post date: [May 17, 2007, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-21-greatest-hits/404361/74 "2007-05-17T14:54:04Z")
Am I the only one to think that Juliette knew what was waiting for Charlie when he got down there?
There’s no way possible that Ben lied to _everyone_ about the station when the sub is probably the only way to get supplies to and from there. Also I’m presuming a shift based system where you’re down there for a certain period of time before being replaced by other Others.
I don’t think that they’re original Dharma nor button pushers.
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### Author:  [@Ponster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ponster)
#### Post date: [May 17, 2007, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-21-greatest-hits/404361/75 "2007-05-17T14:56:27Z")
[QUOTE=Merijeek]
She doesn’t give a shit about Charlie, she doesn’t expect him to get by the Amazonian Guards, and she certainly doesn’t care about getting rescued.
-Joe
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Nope. If Ben has the power to heal her sister and kill her ex-boss then leaving the island without either Ben dead or with his permission is pointless.
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### Author:  [@BubbaDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BubbaDog)
#### Post date: [May 17, 2007, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-21-greatest-hits/404361/76 "2007-05-17T14:59:40Z")
[QUOTE=Fiver]
This occurred to me too, but I can’t imagine why Dharma originals would be jamming radio transmissions.
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They may allow the signal to continue in order to keep Ben an Co. from returning to the station. If Ben believes that the station is inhabitable but still functional he has no reason to send anybody there. It would be a very good place to hide.
Of course there’s still the problem of keeping up the food supplies.
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### Author:  [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)
#### Post date: [May 17, 2007, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-21-greatest-hits/404361/77 "2007-05-17T15:22:43Z")
I think in this last episode they called it a satellite phone, although I’m not sure. Up until now they’ve been saying “radio phone”.
Either way, it’d be a strange coincidence that the radio phone, and the distress call broadcast, would share the same frequency, right? It’s like the writers think that any 2 signals of any sort in an area can’t be used - like you couldn’t use your cell phone because there were radio stations in your area.
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### Author:  [@Trion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trion)
#### Post date: [May 17, 2007, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-21-greatest-hits/404361/78 "2007-05-17T15:31:36Z")
[QUOTE=Risha]
Actually, that rang really true to me (though she, herself does not, necessarily). [There](http://www.amazon.com/16-Greatest-Hits-Steppenwolf/dp/B000002NZ5/ref=sr_1_108/002-2759092-7860063?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1179411794&sr=1-108) [are](http://www.amazon.com/America-Complete-Greatest-Hits/dp/B00005MLVA/ref=sr_1_118/002-2759092-7860063?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1179411463&sr=1-118) [many](http://www.amazon.com/Helen-Reddy-All-Time-Greatest-Hits/dp/B000002TGF/ref=sr_1_51/002-2759092-7860063?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1179411239&sr=1-51) [a](http://www.amazon.com/Rose-Royce-Greatest-Hits-Whitfield/dp/B000002KLH/ref=sr_1_77/002-2759092-7860063?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1179411370&sr=1-77) [one](http://www.amazon.com/Smokie-Greatest-Hits/dp/B00000GBH2/ref=sr_1_135/002-2759092-7860063?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1179411536&sr=1-135) [hit](http://www.amazon.com/War-Grooves-Messages-Greatest-Hits/dp/B00000J63N/ref=sr_1_151/002-2759092-7860063?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1179411908&sr=1-151) [wonder](http://www.amazon.com/Collection-Roxette-Hits-Their-Greatest/dp/B000JJSPXQ/ref=sr_1_290/002-2759092-7860063?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1179412152&sr=1-290) with greatest hits CDs out there, and a dramatic death of a B-list star being played up by the media is hardly unknown.
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Not only can I believe it, I can see the Pit thread now:
**A Driveshaft “Greatest Hits” CD? You’re Fucking Kidding Me, Right?**
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### Author:  [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)
#### Post date: [May 17, 2007, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-21-greatest-hits/404361/79 "2007-05-17T15:33:59Z")
I’m stunned we cannot download You All, Everybody on itunes.
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### Author:  [@UncleRojelio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleRojelio)
#### Post date: [May 17, 2007, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-21-greatest-hits/404361/80 "2007-05-17T15:39:24Z")
What happened to all the wire that Danille used to blow up the tree? Wasn’t that enough to rig the huts to blow? And why all the big fuss about needing wires, and failing that, shooters, to set off the TNT? We’ve been shown that the TNT is highly unstable. Why not just rig a deadfall that drops a big rock on a bundle of TNT when a HenchOther enters the hut?
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