# Lost 3.3: Further Instructions **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 18, 2006, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-3-further-instructions/376976 "2006-10-18T18:24:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2006, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-3-further-instructions/376976/101 "2006-10-20T01:53:51Z")
Best line of the night was when Charlie said: “Right, I’m supposed to stand guard in case you devolve into a monkey.” Nice, esoteric little “Altered States” reference there… ---
**Author:** ![NardoPolo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ecae2f/32.png) [@NardoPolo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NardoPolo)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2006, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-3-further-instructions/376976/102 "2006-10-20T01:55:04Z")
[QUOTE=Rilchiam] I’m unclear on how recently Hurley had returned to the beach. I got the impression that these first three episodes were happening concurrently, and the further impression that Hurley was still finding his way back when Locke stabbed his canteen. [/QUOTE] I heard ([cite](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Further_Instructions#Trivia)) that the previous episode (The Glass Ballerina) was originally planned to be shown before this episode. So, yes, it seems these things are happening concurrently. > [@Winston Bongo](#): > > I’m surprised so many people seem to like the idea of Locke shooting a guy in the back. And a cop, too! It just struck me today: the writers planned to show Locke lowering his gun and letting his target escape, to better contrast it with Sun’s gun-pointing scenario with a decidedly different outcome! That’s cool. Regardless, I’m still looking forward to a half-decent explanation of the animated smoke and Tree-Crushing Monster. ---
**Author:** ![OpalCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8edcca/32.png) [@OpalCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OpalCat)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2006, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-3-further-instructions/376976/103 "2006-10-20T01:57:22Z")
Sayid wasn’t tied up, I don’t think. ---
**Author:** ![Gfactor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de053/32.png) [@Gfactor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gfactor)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2006, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-3-further-instructions/376976/104 "2006-10-20T01:57:28Z")
[QUOTE=Rilchiam] I’m unclear on how recently Hurley had returned to the beach. I got the impression that these first three episodes were happening concurrently, and the further impression that Hurley was still finding his way back when Locke stabbed his canteen. It seemed that “Why didn’t you tell us?!” could reasonably have been answered with, “Because I just now got here.” [/QUOTE] Locke sent him to the beach and told him to tell the others. Then Locke had the adventure with the bear, rescued Eko, tried to revive Eko, and then Locke and Charlie carried Eko to the beach. Hurley got there first–not clear how much sooner, but first. ---
**Author:** ![NardoPolo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ecae2f/32.png) [@NardoPolo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NardoPolo)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2006, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-3-further-instructions/376976/105 "2006-10-20T01:57:58Z")
Incidentally - I had a case of deja-vu when Locke tripped over that toy dump truck in the bear den. I know I’ve seen that truck before, but where?? ---
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2006, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-3-further-instructions/376976/106 "2006-10-20T03:03:43Z")
[QUOTE=NardoPolo] Incidentally - I had a case of deja-vu when Locke tripped over that toy dump truck in the bear den. I know I’ve seen that truck before, but where?? [/QUOTE] Was it WAAAALLLLLLLLTTTTT’s? [sub]sorry, couldn’t let a thread slip by without a WAAAALLLLTTTTT![/sub] 😃 ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2006, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-3-further-instructions/376976/107 "2006-10-20T03:19:58Z")
Was Charlie’s sarcastic remark about trees being great conversationalists a reference to the Ents? ---
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2006, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-3-further-instructions/376976/108 "2006-10-20T03:27:00Z")
[QUOTE=vivalostwages] Was Charlie’s sarcastic remark about trees being great conversationalists a reference to the Ents? [/QUOTE] That’s what I thought. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2006, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-3-further-instructions/376976/109 "2006-10-20T04:20:02Z")
[QUOTE=Charlie Tan] I liked that the Red Shirts were angry at Hurley for not sharing information. [/QUOTE] Except I believe those two have been promoted from redshirt to series regulars. New characters for season 3, I believe I read somewhere. Lot of good that did Ana Lucia and Libby, though. ---
**Author:** ![Risha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/5fc32e/32.png) [@Risha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Risha)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2006, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-3-further-instructions/376976/110 "2006-10-20T04:27:05Z")
Random theory #1 Some guy on the radio this morning threw out the theory that Desmond actually died in the hatch. I like this for a few reasons: - He’s naked (how would an implosion remove your clothes?). - John (who has visions of dead people) and Hurley (who has been known to talk to illusionary people) are the only two people who react to him at all, even in a crowded camp. - He sees the future. I don’t really believe it’s the case, but it’s an intriguing thought, isn’t it? 😃 Random theory #2 Perhaps Locke’s paralysis and muteness were both psychosomatic? It would explain how they come and go, and yet he’s obviously not faking them. ---
**Author:** ![Talon\_Karrde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Talon\_Karrde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Talon_Karrde)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2006, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-3-further-instructions/376976/111 "2006-10-20T04:32:22Z")
[QUOTE=medstar] 1. Since when does a polar bear drag its intended meal into a cave and tie him up before tearing at him? Every nature special I’ve ever seen with polar bears, the polar bears just tear into dinner, manners be damned. [/QUOTE] That part reminded me of the wampa scene in The Empire Strikes Back. I wonder if they got the idea from there or something. ---
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2006, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-3-further-instructions/376976/112 "2006-10-20T04:54:24Z")
[QUOTE=Monstre] Except I believe those two have been promoted from redshirt to series regulars. New characters for season 3, I believe I read somewhere. Lot of good that did Ana Lucia and Libby, though. [/QUOTE] Psst! Post #95. My theory on Desmond nakedness … it’s just good TV. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2006, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-3-further-instructions/376976/113 "2006-10-20T06:00:25Z")
[QUOTE=Wile E] Psst! Post #95. [/QUOTE] Well, actually I read it several days before Post #95. But on that regard, I will fall back on the Chewbacca Defense… ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Some\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ad7895/32.png) [@Just\_Some\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Some_Guy)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2006, 7:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-3-further-instructions/376976/114 "2006-10-20T07:13:44Z")
Well, I’m pretty much giving up on Lost. I’ll stick it out until the break but I don’t have high hopes of seeing anything that’ll make me come back. This episode was it. We’re three episodes into this season and the previous two were a plotline that effectively did nothing for the show’s ongoing story. This episode had to give something regarding the piles of questions left over from just the finale last season and they gave us absolutely nothing. Less than nothing since it just adds another layer of questions to the existing ones. Idealy a show like Lost needs to be constructed with some give and take. Set up big mysteries and plan to resolve them over a period of seasons. Then add little mysteries that relate to the big ones that can arise and be dealt with. Every episode doesn’t have to answer a question but there has to be at least a feeling of advancement for the story. We have hit the point where I don’t have that feeling any more. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Chao\_Goes\_Mu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_chao_goes_mu/32/3191_2.png) [@The\_Chao\_Goes\_Mu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Chao_Goes_Mu)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2006, 11:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-3-further-instructions/376976/115 "2006-10-20T11:33:04Z")
Hmm, the “Desmond as dead” theory is interesting. That’ll have to be chewed on for a while. Something just hit me, during Locke’s little vision quest, did I see Sawyer lifting something (as in stealing) from Kate’s pocket or bag? ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2006, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-3-further-instructions/376976/116 "2006-10-20T13:03:44Z")
[QUOTE=Wile E] I think the guy and girl that actually got to speak lines are going to be new characters. Of course that doesn’t mean they won’t suffer the red shirt fate eventually. [/QUOTE] Yeah, they should talk to Arzt about that… ---
**Author:** ![Dante](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dante/32/9673_2.png) [@Dante](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dante)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2006, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-3-further-instructions/376976/117 "2006-10-20T13:18:55Z")
[QUOTE=Monstre] Except I believe those two have been promoted from redshirt to series regulars. New characters for season 3, I believe I read somewhere. Lot of good that did Ana Lucia and Libby, though. [/QUOTE] I predict a terribly warm reception from the viewers, _a la_ cousin Oliver on The Brady Bunch. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2006, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-3-further-instructions/376976/118 "2006-10-20T13:20:30Z")
[QUOTE=The Chao Goes Mu] Hmm, the “Desmond as dead” theory is interesting. That’ll have to be chewed on for a while. Something just hit me, during Locke’s little vision quest, did I see Sawyer lifting something (as in stealing) from Kate’s pocket or bag? [/QUOTE] To me, it looked like Kate and Sawyer were traveling together, and he just pulled their boarding passes out of her purse so he could give them to Ben. ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_Prize](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d2c977/32.png) [@Sir\_Prize](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_Prize)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2006, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-3-further-instructions/376976/119 "2006-10-20T13:26:25Z")
[QUOTE=Risha] Random theory #1 Some guy on the radio this morning threw out the theory that Desmond actually died in the hatch. I like this for a few reasons: - He’s naked (how would an implosion remove your clothes?). [/QUOTE] I don’t think he lost them in the implosion. Something happened to him since the implosion. ---
**Author:** ![Gfactor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de053/32.png) [@Gfactor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gfactor)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2006, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-3-further-instructions/376976/120 "2006-10-20T13:30:02Z")
[QUOTE=Sir Prize] I don’t think he lost them in the implosion. Something happened to him since the implosion. [/QUOTE] Anal Probe!! And let me take this opportunity to say fish biscuit–Fish biscuit! There. I’ve said it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-3-further-instructions/376976.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-3-3-further-instructions/376976.md?page=7)