# Lost 4.01: "The Begining of the End" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 29, 2008, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-01-the-begining-of-the-end/435458 "2008-01-29T15:45:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![rainy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c2a13f/32.png) [@rainy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rainy)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2008, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-01-the-begining-of-the-end/435458/81 "2008-02-01T02:41:48Z")
[QUOTE=PunditLisa] Where have I seen the blonde in the hatch that was kicking the crap out of Charlie? The actress is very familiar but I can’t place her. [/QUOTE] Her name is Tracy Middendorf. I went to high school with her. She’s done some movie roles and a scad of one-shot appearances on lots of popular prime time shows. -rainy knowing her totally rocks when playing 6 degrees 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Millit\_the\_Frail](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/51bf81/32.png) [@Millit\_the\_Frail](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Millit_the_Frail)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2008, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-01-the-begining-of-the-end/435458/82 "2008-02-01T03:18:38Z")
[QUOTE=MsWhatsit] “Are they still alive?” [/QUOTE] I’m betting he’s Dharma. So…Naomi’s death was totally lame. She had enough energy to sneak away with a knife sticking out of her back, to make a fake trail and a real trail, and to climb a tree and wait to attack Kate, but then she just keeled over and died on the phone. Why didn’t Kate follow through and ask who the hell she really is? Any theories as to why dead Charlie can still be there with Hurley? ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Credible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a8b319/32.png) [@Justin\_Credible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Credible)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2008, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-01-the-begining-of-the-end/435458/83 "2008-02-01T03:23:29Z")
[QUOTE=bouv] Hurely!? Ok, by the way Jack reacted, I would guess it _might_ be another flash-forward. Yup. Oceanic _6_? So we have three so far…any guesses to the other three? [/QUOTE] I know who they are. Don’t look if you don’t want to know. Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley, Sun, and Jin So, I just got done watching. Overall, pretty good episode. I did notice that when they were cycling through the actors’ names at the beginning, half of each name was cut off. I guess that means they are broadcasting in widescreen format? Also, it seemed the sound was kinda weird. Like it was really hollow sounding. Did anyone else notice that? ---
**Author:** ![randwill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a3d4f5/32.png) [@randwill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/randwill)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2008, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-01-the-begining-of-the-end/435458/84 "2008-02-01T03:25:13Z")
[QUOTE=Millit the Frail] I’m betting he’s Dharma. So…Naomi’s death was totally lame. She had enough energy to sneak away with a knife sticking out of her back, to make a fake trail and a real trail, and to climb a tree and wait to attack Kate, but then she just keeled over and died on the phone. Why didn’t Kate follow through and ask who the hell she really is? [/QUOTE] You must be new. Nobody on “Lost” asks another character the obvious questions that a real person would in that circumstance. Or if they do, the answer is always, “It’s complicated.” ---
**Author:** ![Crawlspace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Crawlspace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crawlspace)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2008, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-01-the-begining-of-the-end/435458/85 "2008-02-01T03:29:53Z")
Well that was underwhelming. The people on the boat still might be bad guys. Ben’s still annoying. Locke still doesn’t want anyone to leave the Island for unexplained reasons. Another dead person turned out not to be dead, but then died talking on the phone. Future Jack is drinking screwdrivers for breakfast and thinking of growing a beard (I wonder what will happen with that). Future Hurley is still crazy and has the crazy idea that they should go baaack. Oh, and this season they’re apparently going to pad every episode out with what 30 minutes of commercials. All I needed to learn came with in the first 2 minutes. 6 people make it off the Island, and Hurley’s one of them. I think I’m gonna wait until all 8 episodes are out and binge one night. (oh,who am I kidding) ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2008, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-01-the-begining-of-the-end/435458/86 "2008-02-01T03:33:17Z")
[QUOTE=Crawlspace] Well that was underwhelming. The people on the boat still might be bad guys. Ben’s still annoying. Locke still doesn’t want anyone to leave the Island for unexplained reasons. Another dead person turned out not to be dead, but then died talking on the phone. Future Jack is drinking screwdrivers for breakfast and thinking of growing a beard (I wonder what will happen with that). Future Hurley is still crazy and has the crazy idea that they should go baaack. Oh, and this season they’re apparently going to pad every episode out with what 30 minutes of commercials. All I needed to learn came with in the first 2 minutes. 6 people make it off the Island, and Hurley’s one of them. I think I’m gonna wait until all 8 episodes are out and binge one night. (oh,who am I kidding) [/QUOTE] Well, I’m not kidding; I’m not watching next week. I also skipped most of Seasons 2 and 3, getting back into it only towards the latter half of Season 3 when my wife insisted it was improving. And for awhile, it was. Tonight was right back to the bad “Lost,” so I’ll skip a month and miss nothing. ---
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2008, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-01-the-begining-of-the-end/435458/87 "2008-02-01T03:38:45Z")
Yeah underwhelming indeed. The only “interesting” things I think I got out of this were: 1. 6 people still alive 2. I think Jack visited Hurley before Jack went all fruitloop. When he’s going to the funeral and meeting with Kate, he has a beard. He tells Hurley he wants to grow a beard. 3. Hurley shouldn’t have gone with Locke. 4. Did we see this before, or is the picture of Vincent in “Jacob’s” cabin new? I was trying to get my dad into watching Lost by having him watch tonight. It was fun to watch on his new HDTV but otherwise it was not the most exciting episode. Whatever reviewers were quoted as saying “Oh. My. God.” in the first page of this thread are obviously very easily amused. Oh and yeah the sound was way low. I had the TV way up during the show and the commercials were blasting. ---
**Author:** ![Kythereia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e8c25b/32.png) [@Kythereia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kythereia)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2008, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-01-the-begining-of-the-end/435458/88 "2008-02-01T03:45:13Z")
I thought it was a cool episode. On the slow side, yeah, but intriguing. Hurley and the cannonball! And awww, Sawyer. _mooshy melt_ ---
**Author:** ![randwill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a3d4f5/32.png) [@randwill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/randwill)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2008, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-01-the-begining-of-the-end/435458/89 "2008-02-01T03:47:01Z")
Yeah, the sound was fucked here too. I had it turned up loud enough to hear the dialog, consequently the bass sounds were rattling the speakers. ---
**Author:** ![Frostillicus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Frostillicus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frostillicus)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2008, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-01-the-begining-of-the-end/435458/90 "2008-02-01T03:56:54Z")
My viewing of the episode here in Chicago was ruined by three (count 'em, three) separate snow advisories that ran across the screen during the show. Each snow advisory lasted a good 3-4 minutes and was preceeded by these god-awful sound efects, so that I guess I would glance up from whatever it was I was doing instead of actually watching the television. And here’s the kicker: It has been snowing since early this morning, so I don’t need the fucking TV to tell me that there is a snow advisory. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Credible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a8b319/32.png) [@Justin\_Credible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Credible)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2008, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-01-the-begining-of-the-end/435458/91 "2008-02-01T04:11:18Z")
Oh, and was that Jack’s dad in the cabin? It sure looked like him. And the dog painting was really freaky. ---
**Author:** ![anamnesis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb8c5e/32.png) [@anamnesis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anamnesis)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2008, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-01-the-begining-of-the-end/435458/92 "2008-02-01T04:11:29Z")
[QUOTE=Millit the Frail] I’m betting he’s Dharma. [/quote] Way off. Think about it. The “attorney” was black, and dressed in a black suit … what other mysterious, ethereal, black entity on the show might it be? ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Credible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a8b319/32.png) [@Justin\_Credible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Credible)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2008, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-01-the-begining-of-the-end/435458/93 "2008-02-01T04:12:26Z")
[QUOTE=anamnesis] Way off. Think about it. The “attorney” was black, and dressed in a black suit … what other mysterious, ethereal, black entity on the show might it be? [/QUOTE] Walt? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f04885/32.png) [@Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2008, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-01-the-begining-of-the-end/435458/94 "2008-02-01T04:13:06Z")
Did anyone catch the website with instructions on how to earn the golden pass during the Oceanic Airlines commercial? ---
**Author:** ![Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e480ec/32.png) [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Least_Original_User_Name_Ever)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2008, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-01-the-begining-of-the-end/435458/95 "2008-02-01T04:17:22Z")
My girlfriend is ultra fired up about this episode. She tried explaining some things and I watched like 25 minutes of it and I didn’t get it. Eh, maybe I’ll watch them on DVD. ---
**Author:** ![anamnesis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb8c5e/32.png) [@anamnesis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anamnesis)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2008, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-01-the-begining-of-the-end/435458/96 "2008-02-01T04:19:00Z")
[QUOTE=Justin Credible] Walt? 😛 [/QUOTE] Heh … at the rate he’s growing, I’m wondering if the actor who played Abbadon was actually Walt paying Hurley a visit. 😃 > [@Kumquat](#): > > Did anyone catch the website with instructions on how to earn the golden pass during the Oceanic Airlines commercial? www.flyoceanicair.com ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2008, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-01-the-begining-of-the-end/435458/97 "2008-02-01T04:21:59Z")
Nothing really happened, did it? Episode seemed kind of short - it was hard to tell, what with the kajillion commercials and all. It was kind of weird, knowing that Charlie has been “dead” for 7 months and realizing that Claire didn’t know it yet. In fact, much of the episode was spent having one batch of characters tell another batch information that the audience already knew. ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2008, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-01-the-begining-of-the-end/435458/98 "2008-02-01T04:25:27Z")
[QUOTE=ZipperJJ] 1. 6 people still alive [/QUOTE] Not still alive… rescued from the island. The rest are in doubt, leading to the lawyer (Daniels from The Wire!) asking Hurley “are they still alive?” I think they’re still on the island somewhere. But who knows? Frostillicus, I’m in upstate NY and we got two “emergency broadcast” warnings. That has never happened before. Weird. ---
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2008, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-01-the-begining-of-the-end/435458/99 "2008-02-01T04:40:46Z")
Was the black “lawyer” the same guy as the funeral director from Jack’s flash-forward? I don’t remember, was Hurley able to feel when “Dave” did stuff to him? In other words, does the fact that he felt Charlie’s slap imply that he is not a figment of his imagination, or has he been shown to react that way toward his hallucinations? ---
**Author:** ![Menocchio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de053/32.png) [@Menocchio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Menocchio)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2008, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-01-the-begining-of-the-end/435458/100 "2008-02-01T04:47:26Z")
Good. But it lacked punch. Last season had little punch in the opener, and suffered greatly for it. But given that the boat actually arrives next issue, I can work with all that. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-01-the-begining-of-the-end/435458.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-01-the-begining-of-the-end/435458.md?page=6)