# Lost 4.08: "Meet Kevin Johnson" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 20, 2008, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-08-meet-kevin-johnson/442074 "2008-03-20T15:07:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![aaelghat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c5a1d2/32.png) [@aaelghat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aaelghat)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2008, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-08-meet-kevin-johnson/442074/81 "2008-03-21T17:59:03Z")
[QUOTE=well he’s back] And I wonder what Walt’s Grandma will think when she sees the wreckage footage on her TV. [/QUOTE] I got the distinct impression that Michael’s mom thought Michael was lying about being part of a plane crash. She wondered where he really had been for the past two months. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2008, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-08-meet-kevin-johnson/442074/82 "2008-03-21T18:30:50Z")
[QUOTE=aaelghat] I got the distinct impression that Michael’s mom thought Michael was lying about being part of a plane crash. She wondered where he really had been for the past two months. [/QUOTE] Really? She almost certainly would have known that he went to Australia to get Walt because his ex-wife (Walt’s mom) had died. No? Didn’t Michael called her (flashback in Season 1) to ask if she would take care of him, at least for awhile? ---
**Author:** ![Gfactor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de053/32.png) [@Gfactor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gfactor)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2008, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-08-meet-kevin-johnson/442074/83 "2008-03-21T18:36:12Z")
[QUOTE=aaelghat] I got the distinct impression that Michael’s mom thought Michael was lying about being part of a plane crash. She wondered where he really had been for the past two months. [/QUOTE] Apparently, Michael returned with some sort of bullshit story (it’s complicated) about his whereabouts. Mom knows he’s full of it because the tv broadcast clearly says everyone on the flight died. So she knows he’s telling her stories, but she’s not sure what parts he’s lying about. She knows he told her he was flying back, but she might well doubt that he was on 815 because he’s not dead. ---
**Author:** ![NajaNivea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/22d042/32.png) [@NajaNivea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NajaNivea)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2008, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-08-meet-kevin-johnson/442074/84 "2008-03-21T20:18:07Z")
[QUOTE=Gfactor] When I saw Friendly, my first thought was “Zombie Season!” The conversation with mom was very interesting. I thought I heard her say “he [walt] thought you were dead.” In other words, Walt wasn’t really on the flight, at least in a corporeal sense. [/QUOTE] What I heard was “ **we** thought you were dead” meaning the rest of Michael’s family. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2008, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-08-meet-kevin-johnson/442074/85 "2008-03-21T21:41:45Z")
BTW, I got the impression that CFL and Karl weren’t shot at with guns, but some sort of dart or something. Were there actually any gun shots heard? And the way the projectiles sounded as they were going by (the ones that missed) sounded more like darts than bullets. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2008, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-08-meet-kevin-johnson/442074/86 "2008-03-21T21:45:52Z")
[QUOTE=John Mace] BTW, I got the impression that CFL and Karl weren’t shot at with guns, but some sort of dart or something. Were there actually any gun shots heard? And the way the projectiles sounded as they were going by (the ones that missed) sounded more like darts than bullets. [/QUOTE] Except Karl has a gunshot word in his chest. But I agree, they sounded like darts. And CFL didn’t have a gunshot wound. I predict she’s A-OK. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Credible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a8b319/32.png) [@Justin\_Credible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Credible)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2008, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-08-meet-kevin-johnson/442074/87 "2008-03-21T21:46:24Z")
[QUOTE=John Mace] BTW, I got the impression that CFL and Karl weren’t shot at with guns, but some sort of dart or something. Were there actually any gun shots heard? And the way the projectiles sounded as they were going by (the ones that missed) sounded more like darts than bullets. [/QUOTE] I dunno dude, it made a pretty big hole in his canteen. I thought it was just a silenced gun. Also, for some reason I thought we were only on episode 7 this week, so imagine my disappointment when I find out Lost won’t be returning for a few weeks. D’oh! ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Credible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a8b319/32.png) [@Justin\_Credible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Credible)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2008, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-08-meet-kevin-johnson/442074/88 "2008-03-21T21:47:30Z")
[QUOTE=Justin\_Bailey] Except Karl has a gunshot word in his chest. [/QUOTE] Yep, if you lift up his shirt, it says BANG! ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2008, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-08-meet-kevin-johnson/442074/89 "2008-03-21T21:47:57Z")
[QUOTE=John Mace] BTW, I got the impression that CFL and Karl weren’t shot at with guns, but some sort of dart or something. Were there actually any gun shots heard? And the way the projectiles sounded as they were going by (the ones that missed) sounded more like darts than bullets. [/QUOTE] It was a silenced rifle. The bullet holes shown in the sports bottle was pretty obvious and a bullet from a high powered rifle is about the only thing that would create the through-and-through wounds inflicted. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2008, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-08-meet-kevin-johnson/442074/90 "2008-03-21T21:50:26Z")
[QUOTE=well he’s back] I Anyway, do we know for sure it was the lost tribe of Ben who murdered Karl and Rouseau? [/QUOTE] I assumed it was people from the freighter, not Others. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2008, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-08-meet-kevin-johnson/442074/91 "2008-03-21T22:04:55Z")
[QUOTE=well he’s back] Wow. That was indeed a great episode. But I’m a bit confused about who the good and bad guys are - unlike Sayid, who just Acts-who-needs-to-stop-and-think. While Desmond looks to be stuck on the intel that Pappy Widmore is involved. [/QUOTE] I don’t think there are any good or bad guys. Just an endless parade of people coming to Mystery Island, each with their own interests, motivations and morals. I liked how Ben said to Michael that he never told him to kill Ana Lucia and Libby. ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2008, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-08-meet-kevin-johnson/442074/92 "2008-03-21T22:25:31Z")
Rather belatedly, we find out why Tom told Kate quite some time ago that she wasn’t his type. (Kinda knew that already, though.) Perrineau is better at being Kevin than he ever was as Michael. I don’t think Danielle is dead. Didn’t Michael reveal to both Sayid and Desmond that Widmore is the owner of the freighter and the mastermind behind the hoax? I was looking for a bit more of a reaction from Desmond, given his history with Widmore. ---
**Author:** ![Gfactor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de053/32.png) [@Gfactor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gfactor)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2008, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-08-meet-kevin-johnson/442074/93 "2008-03-21T22:27:48Z")
[QUOTE=NajaNivea] What I heard was “ **we** thought you were dead” meaning the rest of Michael’s family. [/QUOTE] Which makes more sense. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2008, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-08-meet-kevin-johnson/442074/94 "2008-03-21T22:47:51Z")
[QUOTE=vivalostwages] Didn’t Michael reveal to both Sayid and Desmond that Widmore is the owner of the freighter and the mastermind behind the hoax? I was looking for a bit more of a reaction from Desmond, given his history with Widmore. [/QUOTE] Michael was just parroting what Ben told him, he has no more information than that. All Sayid heard was that he was getting instructions from Ben which makes everything Michael says meaningless. I tend to agree. I think Ben faked the crash and Widmore sent the boat. ---
**Author:** ![NajaNivea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/22d042/32.png) [@NajaNivea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NajaNivea)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2008, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-08-meet-kevin-johnson/442074/95 "2008-03-22T00:19:37Z")
[QUOTE=Omniscient] It was a silenced rifle. The bullet holes shown in the sports bottle was pretty obvious and a bullet from a high powered rifle is about the only thing that would create the through-and-through wounds inflicted. [/QUOTE] … It appears I completely hallucinated arrows. I swear I thought I saw them flying from several directions and saw them sticking out of his chest and her back. I can even describe them–they were short crossbow broadheads. The “hissing” sound made perfect sense. Huh. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2008, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-08-meet-kevin-johnson/442074/96 "2008-03-22T00:56:28Z")
[QUOTE=Omniscient] I think Ben faked the crash and Widmore sent the boat. [/QUOTE] Everyone seems to be in agreement about Widmore sending the boat. But who faked the crash? ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2008, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-08-meet-kevin-johnson/442074/97 "2008-03-22T01:11:44Z")
[QUOTE=msmith537] But who faked the crash? [/QUOTE] Both parties have been accused in the show. I think it’s Ben’s peeps, but there’s no definitive answer yet. ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_Prize](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d2c977/32.png) [@Sir\_Prize](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_Prize)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2008, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-08-meet-kevin-johnson/442074/98 "2008-03-22T01:48:33Z")
Another possibility is that each side may sincerely believe that the other faked the crash. Hmm, when I think about it, the dossier that Mr. Friendly showed Michael implies that Ben’s team knows who faked it, even if they lying about their involvement. ---
**Author:** ![aaelghat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c5a1d2/32.png) [@aaelghat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aaelghat)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2008, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-08-meet-kevin-johnson/442074/99 "2008-03-22T02:13:23Z")
[QUOTE=msmith537] Everyone seems to be in agreement about Widmore sending the boat. But who faked the crash? [/QUOTE] OK, seeing that this is Lost, I’ll go on record predicting that unidentified shadow organization #3 faked the crash. (I didn’t spoiler box this since it’s just my personal speculation). I think later this season or next season, or the one after that, we’ll discover that there’s some other group that perhaps Widmore and Ben don’t even know about that has their hands in this. Perhaps Ben in his heart believes that Widmore is behind the taking of the bodies from the graveyard, Widmore believes it is Ben, but in reality it’s this third group. The argument against this is that if Friendly had purchase records of the Boeing 777 and the records of the freighter that was chartered to dump the aircraft wreckage, you’d think it would be easy enough to trace everything back to organization #3… ---
**Author:** ![Baldwin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baldwin/32/7264_2.png) [@Baldwin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baldwin)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2008, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-08-meet-kevin-johnson/442074/100 "2008-03-22T02:21:38Z")
[QUOTE=Loach] I know it’s bad form to answer your own post but…you ask what is special about the protagonist and I only gave you the name. The character was “unstuck in time”. Just like Desmond was. In fact I heard that brought up a few times here and there after the Desmond episode. The other interesting thing about Billy Pilgram. He is a WWII soldier who is brought out to the front as a raw replacement, just in time for the Battle of the Bulge. He is never even issued any equipment and is quickly captured. He is held as a captive in an old slaughterhouse outside of Dresden just in time for the firebombing. The interesting part is that it is autobiographical. That is exactly what happened to Vonnegut. [/QUOTE] That would be Billy Pilgrim. As in “Pilgrim”. In-jokes are fine, but that one seemed almost condescending somehow. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-08-meet-kevin-johnson/442074.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-08-meet-kevin-johnson/442074.md?page=6)