# Lost 4.12: "There's No Place Like Home" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 15, 2008, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-12-theres-no-place-like-home/449455 "2008-05-15T17:00:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2008, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-12-theres-no-place-like-home/449455/61 "2008-05-16T20:15:31Z")
[QUOTE=Justin Credible] She will assume Jin is dead, but he must survive that, since we have seen him in a flash-forward. Just a guess, but it seems pretty likely. [/QUOTE] Huh? When did we see Jin in a flash-forward?? He was involved in that split flash-forward/backward episode which ended with the reveal of his “death” (with Sun at his gravesite). Am I forgetting something? ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Credible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a8b319/32.png) [@Justin\_Credible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Credible)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2008, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-12-theres-no-place-like-home/449455/62 "2008-05-16T20:17:00Z")
[QUOTE=Loach] What flash forward? The last one with Jin and Sun was a double fake. Sun’s story was a flash forward and Jin’s was a flashback. [/QUOTE] It was? How do you know? I guess I just thought Jin was keeping hidden for some reason, even from Sun. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2008, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-12-theres-no-place-like-home/449455/63 "2008-05-16T20:18:41Z")
Incidentally, it’s possible that Oceanic paid out a much larger settlement than crash survivors would expect to normally get as a bribe in order help keep the Six quiet. That could also go towards explaining why Sun was able to buy out her father. Maybe Widmore/Dharma/Ben/Richard or someone funneled a huge chunk of money through Oceanic to the survivors to help encourage them to keep quiet about the actual events of the island. ---
**Author:** ![Gfactor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de053/32.png) [@Gfactor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gfactor)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2008, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-12-theres-no-place-like-home/449455/64 "2008-05-16T20:20:18Z")
[QUOTE=Justin Credible] It was? How do you know? I guess I just thought Jin was keeping hidden for some reason, even from Sun. [/QUOTE] > [@](#): > > Jin informs the Ambassador that Mr. Paik is looking forward to doing business in China. As he is leaving the hospital, a nurse asks why Jin is leaving so early. He informs her that it’s not his baby. She says “Well, maybe someday…”, to which he replies “Don’t rush me. I’ve only been married two months.” [http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Ji\_Yeon](http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Ji_Yeon) ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Credible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a8b319/32.png) [@Justin\_Credible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Credible)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2008, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-12-theres-no-place-like-home/449455/65 "2008-05-16T20:22:19Z")
[QUOTE=Gfactor] [http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Ji\_Yeon](http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Ji_Yeon) [/QUOTE] Hmmm…I do remember him saying that. I think I assumed that he re-married after he got rescued. :smack: I guess having that be a flashback makes more sense than having Jin lie to Sun about being dead and then getting re-married to another woman so quickly. ---
**Author:** ![stpauler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@stpauler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stpauler)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2008, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-12-theres-no-place-like-home/449455/66 "2008-05-16T20:22:55Z")
I think it was interesting that the co-pilot was rubbing a rabbit’s foot, there was a rabbit’s foot on the keychain for Hurley’s car. The possible significance? Locke, Ben, and Hurley just got to the Orchid station and if you’ve seen the YouTube video on the Orchid, you know what I’m talking about. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_The\_Younger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d9b06d/32.png) [@Paul\_The\_Younger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_The_Younger)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2008, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-12-theres-no-place-like-home/449455/67 "2008-05-16T20:23:52Z")
Jin’s story was a flashback. So as far as we know he is dead. However…Sun has appeared at times to be lying when stating that he is dead. We know now that he was not buried in the cemetary, that the world presumes him dead in the initial crash. We know that Sun says, and may believe, that he is dead. But we also know that the 6 of them getting off the island is not the end of the story. It seems pretty clear to me that at some point the Oceanic 6 will be going back to the island for the rest of them left behind. Unless we clearly see evidence of Jin’s death (like CFL, Carl and Alex), then I think there’s a chance that Sun and Jin will be re-united at the series’ end. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2008, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-12-theres-no-place-like-home/449455/68 "2008-05-16T20:25:38Z")
[QUOTE=Paul The Younger] She said to her father, “Two people are responsible for his death. You are one of them.” So no determination as to male or female, but i still believe that it’s Michael. She’s spits the words out with anger; no evidence of self-loathing in her demeanor to my eye. [/QUOTE] I have heard a spoiler that the other person she holds responsible is: Jack! This spoiler comes from a solid source at [SpoilersLost.Blogspot.com](http://SpoilersLost.Blogspot.com), and his spoiler recap of last night’s episode was right on. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_The\_Younger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d9b06d/32.png) [@Paul\_The\_Younger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_The_Younger)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2008, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-12-theres-no-place-like-home/449455/69 "2008-05-16T20:37:03Z")
[QUOTE=HelloNinja] I have heard a spoiler that the other person she holds responsible is: Jack! This spoiler comes from a solid source at [SpoilersLost.Blogspot.com](http://SpoilersLost.Blogspot.com), and his spoiler recap of last night’s episode was right on. [/QUOTE] Interesting…I wonder if any of the interaction between them in this episode bears that out. ---
**Author:** ![Gfactor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de053/32.png) [@Gfactor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gfactor)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2008, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-12-theres-no-place-like-home/449455/70 "2008-05-16T20:44:38Z")
I found it somewhat odd that the reporter immediately called bullshit on Kate’s pregnancy story. And also outed her as a fugitive. And that she wasn’t immediately arrested. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2008, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-12-theres-no-place-like-home/449455/71 "2008-05-16T21:02:59Z")
[QUOTE=stpauler] … and if you’ve seen the YouTube video on the Orchid, you know what I’m talking about. [/QUOTE] Yo, dude. Link. ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2008, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-12-theres-no-place-like-home/449455/72 "2008-05-16T21:31:02Z")
[QUOTE=Omniscient] Yo, dude. Link. [/QUOTE] Here’s a link: [![](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/4bTvAUVPyLI/hqdefault.jpg "New Lost Season 4 Sneak Peak!!! New Hatch!, The Orchid") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bTvAUVPyLI) But WOW! Spoiler city. It sort of answers one of the huge questions we’ve been batting about. ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2008, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-12-theres-no-place-like-home/449455/73 "2008-05-16T21:43:32Z")
Also, did anyone take note that the US put the Polar Bear on the endangered species list this week? Nice for Lost that they waited for sweeps month. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2008, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-12-theres-no-place-like-home/449455/74 "2008-05-16T21:46:58Z")
Yeah, Sayid seemed to be lying when he said there was no possibility of other survivors. Considering the circumstances they were claiming for the crash, they couldn’t possibly know for sure. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2008, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-12-theres-no-place-like-home/449455/75 "2008-05-16T22:17:48Z")
[QUOTE=middleman] Also, did anyone take note that the US put the Polar Bear on the endangered species list this week? Nice for Lost that they waited for sweeps month. [/QUOTE] Threatened actually. Because of global warming…which doesn’t make any sense if they can live on Craphole Island in the middle of a jungle… 😃 ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2008, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-12-theres-no-place-like-home/449455/76 "2008-05-16T22:19:49Z")
[QUOTE=middleman] Here’s a link: [![](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/4bTvAUVPyLI/hqdefault.jpg "New Lost Season 4 Sneak Peak!!! New Hatch!, The Orchid") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bTvAUVPyLI) But WOW! Spoiler city. It sort of answers one of the huge questions we’ve been batting about. [/QUOTE] Holeeee shit. That could explain something about Richard Alpert as well, doncha think? ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2008, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-12-theres-no-place-like-home/449455/77 "2008-05-16T22:22:43Z")
[QUOTE=RickJay] That was the first thing that jumped to my mind too. It’s implied that the company is a really huge conglomerate, and to buy half of such a company would require a truly staggering amount of money; for an airline to pay out six times that amount would be more than any airline could possibly dig up. [/QUOTE] I think they left out the part where she assembled a rag-tag dodgeball team, entered the tournament, then bet the settlement money against 50-1 odds that they would win. She bought the company with the money in the Deus-Ex-Machina treasure chest… ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2008, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-12-theres-no-place-like-home/449455/78 "2008-05-16T23:37:53Z")
[QUOTE=middleman] Here’s a link: [![](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/4bTvAUVPyLI/hqdefault.jpg "New Lost Season 4 Sneak Peak!!! New Hatch!, The Orchid") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bTvAUVPyLI) But WOW! Spoiler city. It sort of answers one of the huge questions we’ve been batting about. [/QUOTE] God damnit. MUST NOT CLICK LINK… ---
**Author:** ![Indistinguishable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/90ced4/32.png) [@Indistinguishable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Indistinguishable)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2008, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-12-theres-no-place-like-home/449455/79 "2008-05-16T23:39:37Z")
Um, I’d rather not expose myself to spoilers, I suppose, but what exactly is this YouTube video? An interview? Deleted scene? Random footage put out there for people to stumble upon? ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2008, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-12-theres-no-place-like-home/449455/80 "2008-05-16T23:43:58Z")
[QUOTE=Omniscient] God damnit. MUST NOT CLICK LINK… [/QUOTE] I don’t see why not. It is a short film made by the producers before this season. More like it has clues, not spoilers. > [@](#): > > Um, I’d rather not expose myself to spoilers, I suppose, but what exactly is this YouTube video? An interview? Deleted scene? Random footage put out there for people to stumble upon? I’m not putting in any of the content in the spoiler box but I will spoiler your answer just in case someone is very sensitive to such things. It is another orientation film, about 2 minutes long. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-12-theres-no-place-like-home/449455.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-12-theres-no-place-like-home/449455.md?page=5)