# Lost 4.13/14 "There's no Place Like Home" (Season finale)
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-13-14-theres-no-place-like-home-season-finale/451016
**Category:** Cafe Society
**Created:** [May 29, 2008, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-13-14-theres-no-place-like-home-season-finale/451016 "2008-05-29T15:09:28Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
**Page:** 10
### Author:  [@Alma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alma)
#### Post date: [June 2, 2008, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-13-14-theres-no-place-like-home-season-finale/451016/181 "2008-06-02T19:21:58Z")
My sister and I were just talking about some of these speculations (I love the doper perspective), and she called the Black Rock “the Hasbro ship.” I’m going to call it the Hasbro Foundation from here on out.
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### Author:  [@Dazzling\_White\_Diamonds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dazzling_White_Diamonds)
#### Post date: [June 2, 2008, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-13-14-theres-no-place-like-home-season-finale/451016/182 "2008-06-02T19:49:33Z")
[QUOTE=Frylock]
Oh yeah, the Others do seem to have some concern for bloodlines. So maybe the Island is from the future (not from another planet or from a technologically advanced past as I speculated above) and the Others (i.e. the Island’s AI/UI) are trying to either find, or create through the manipulation of genes, the person they know _will_ be their “pilot”, where they know this because he _was_ their pilot in their past (our future).
-FrL-
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Their own version of a Kwisatz Haderach?
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### Author:  [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)
#### Post date: [June 2, 2008, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-13-14-theres-no-place-like-home-season-finale/451016/183 "2008-06-02T22:10:38Z")
[QUOTE=Merijeek]
I don’t think anyone believes them at this point. However, it could be time travelers from the future, rather than aliens, and there you go, we’ve weaseled that one out.
-Joe
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That would be my guess.
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### Author:  [@OpalCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OpalCat)
#### Post date: [June 2, 2008, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-13-14-theres-no-place-like-home-season-finale/451016/184 "2008-06-02T23:42:26Z")
[QUOTE=ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies]
[Eye](http://www.imdb.com/media/rm1959433984/nm0243806) [candy](http://www.imdb.com/media/rm1925879552/nm0243806) for those of you of the man-craving variety.
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Really? Huh. I think he’s a lot of things but attractive certainly doesn’t make the top 100 of that list. I thought he was supposed to be the “ugly thug” type… And those pics? they show that he has that insect-like over-developed muscules type body that grosses me out and has an average face, just like I thought.
It’s a good thing that tastes are so varied or there would be a lot of people out there not getting any. I’m not saying you shouldn’t find him attractive–just that it surprised me to hear you call him “eye candy”… in the same way it would surprise me to hear someone describe Ben as “eye candy”…I mean I am sure there are plenty of people who find Ben attractive, but “eye candy” just doesn’t spring to mind.
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### Author:  [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)
#### Post date: [June 2, 2008, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-13-14-theres-no-place-like-home-season-finale/451016/185 "2008-06-02T23:54:20Z")
[QUOTE=OpalCat]
Really? Huh. I think he’s a lot of things but attractive certainly doesn’t make the top 100 of that list. I thought he was supposed to be the “ugly thug” type… And those pics? they show that he has that insect-like over-developed muscules type body that grosses me out and has an average face, just like I thought.
It’s a good thing that tastes are so varied or there would be a lot of people out there not getting any. I’m not saying you shouldn’t find him attractive–just that it surprised me to hear you call him “eye candy”… in the same way it would surprise me to hear someone describe Ben as “eye candy”…I mean I am sure there are plenty of people who find Ben attractive, but “eye candy” just doesn’t spring to mind.
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I’m ambivalent about his looks myself, as I do bat for the other team. I do enjoy his performances though. I just posted the first couple of pics that I saw. The hunky poses were not at all what I was expecting.
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### Author:  [@Paul\_The\_Younger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_The_Younger)
#### Post date: [June 3, 2008, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-13-14-theres-no-place-like-home-season-finale/451016/186 "2008-06-03T05:59:49Z")
[QUOTE=OpalCat]
Well, there is a part that looks like a bunny face with it’s ears out to the sides. It’s about a third of the way from the right (lined up with the lower part of Ben’s calves)… does it mean anything?
😉
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OMG, **Opal**!!! You’re right!!!
I think you’ve solved the mystery of [The REAL Evil Force](http://s97.photobucket.com/albums/l222/PaulTheYounger/?action=view¤t=LostBunBun.jpg) behind the island!!! :eek:
😉
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### Author:  [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)
#### Post date: [June 3, 2008, 6:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-13-14-theres-no-place-like-home-season-finale/451016/187 "2008-06-03T06:54:32Z")
[QUOTE=Paul The Younger]
OMG, **Opal**!!! You’re right!!!
I think you’ve solved the mystery of [The REAL Evil Force](http://s97.photobucket.com/albums/l222/PaulTheYounger/?action=view¤t=LostBunBun.jpg) behind the island!!! :eek:
😉
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I was expecting [this](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcxKIJTb3Hg)
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### Author:  [@Nars\_Glinley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nars_Glinley)
#### Post date: [June 3, 2008, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-13-14-theres-no-place-like-home-season-finale/451016/188 "2008-06-03T13:36:38Z")
Harold Perrineau thinks race was a factor in Michael’s demise. From [here.](http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24935553/)
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> Listen, if I’m being really candid, there are all these questions about how they respond to black people on the show,” he told TV Guide. “Sayid gets to meet Nadia again, and Desmond and Penny hook up again, but a little black boy and his father hooking up, that wasn’t interesting? Instead, Walt just winds up being another fatherless child. It plays into a really big, weird stereotype and, being a black person myself, that wasn’t so interesting.
I’d say that that guarantees that Michael won’t be back.
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### Author:  [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)
#### Post date: [June 3, 2008, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-13-14-theres-no-place-like-home-season-finale/451016/189 "2008-06-03T13:38:28Z")
[QUOTE=Saint Cad]
I was expecting [this](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcxKIJTb3Hg)
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me too.
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### Author:  [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)
#### Post date: [June 3, 2008, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-13-14-theres-no-place-like-home-season-finale/451016/190 "2008-06-03T14:54:40Z")
[QUOTE=KRM]
Harold Perrineau thinks race was a factor in Michael’s demise. From [here.](http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24935553/)
I’d say that that guarantees that Michael won’t be back.
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What IS it with these guys?
Oh, and good. I hated that fucking character. It’s just too bad he took Jim with him, but I consider it a worthwhile tradeoff.
-Joe
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### Author:  [@zev\_steinhardt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zev_steinhardt)
#### Post date: [June 3, 2008, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-13-14-theres-no-place-like-home-season-finale/451016/191 "2008-06-03T14:58:43Z")
I know that this is “old news” in the Lost timeline, but whatever happened to Cindy and the kids who were abducted from the Tailies? Are they still with Richard’s group? When we saw him in the last episode, it didn’t look like there were any kids with him.
Zev Steinhardt
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### Author:  [@Gfactor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gfactor)
#### Post date: [June 3, 2008, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-13-14-theres-no-place-like-home-season-finale/451016/192 "2008-06-03T14:59:40Z")
[QUOTE=zev\_steinhardt]
I know that this is “old news” in the Lost timeline, but whatever happened to Cindy and the kids who were abducted from the Tailies? Are they still with Richard’s group? When we saw him in the last episode, it didn’t look like there were any kids with him.
Zev Steinhardt
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I assumed they left those who couldn’t fight at the Temple.
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### Author:  [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)
#### Post date: [June 3, 2008, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-13-14-theres-no-place-like-home-season-finale/451016/193 "2008-06-03T15:02:15Z")
[QUOTE=Gfactor]
I assumed they left those who couldn’t fight at the Temple.
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The other question, of course, is why the Freighter Mercenaries were a threat.
The Others seem to have reverted to being a bunch of Ninjas/Rambos/Ghosts who can take down armed men with bolas.
It seems like they could have set a trap for these guys pretty easily and taken them out.
-Joe
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### Author:  [@well\_he\_s\_back](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/well_he_s_back)
#### Post date: [June 3, 2008, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-13-14-theres-no-place-like-home-season-finale/451016/194 "2008-06-03T15:33:27Z")
re earlier post about “Michael” actor’s comments: It doesn’t seem to me that Michael’s storyline was racist - and it was no more and no less “realistic” than any other characters’ on this wildly unreal show. Curious what others think.
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### Author:  [@St.Urho](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/St.Urho)
#### Post date: [June 3, 2008, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-13-14-theres-no-place-like-home-season-finale/451016/195 "2008-06-03T15:34:11Z")
[QUOTE=Saint Cad]
I was expecting [this](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcxKIJTb3Hg)
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Oh god! It’s number 15!
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### Author:  [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)
#### Post date: [June 3, 2008, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-13-14-theres-no-place-like-home-season-finale/451016/196 "2008-06-03T15:46:18Z")
Michael using Sayid as an example that only the non-minority (?) characters get good endings is pretty silly.
Sounds like he’s bitter about being written out and is making a silly play of the race card.
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### Author:  [@phungi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/phungi)
#### Post date: [June 3, 2008, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-13-14-theres-no-place-like-home-season-finale/451016/197 "2008-06-03T16:49:34Z")
[QUOTE=KRM]
Harold Perrineau thinks race was a factor in Michael’s demise. From [here.](http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24935553/)
I’d say that that guarantees that Michael won’t be back.
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Remember, on Lost, death≠written off…
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### Author:  [@Kythereia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kythereia)
#### Post date: [June 3, 2008, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-13-14-theres-no-place-like-home-season-finale/451016/198 "2008-06-03T17:20:40Z")
[QUOTE=Harold Perrineau]
“Listen, if I’m being really candid, there are all these questions about how they respond to black people on the show,” he told TV Guide. “Sayid gets to meet Nadia again, and Desmond and Penny hook up again, but a little black boy and his father hooking up, that wasn’t interesting? Instead, Walt just winds up being another fatherless child. It plays into a really big, weird stereotype and, being a black person myself, that wasn’t so interesting.”
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I’m not even sure what he’s complaining about here. Is he saying that _Lost_ is playing to the stereotype that all black kids lose their family members to violence because black people live in a violent culture?
Michael lost Walt because he wanted to gain his son’s love and approval, no matter what the cost, and ended up killing two people because of it. And neither of them could live with that, and Walt became estranged from his dad and Michael came back to the Island to atone. It’s not because he’s black, it’s because he’s a messed up human individual.
Is he saying that black people don’t get happy endings? Rose gets healed of her cancer and stays on the Island with Bernard. Is he saying that fatherhood loses out to romance when it comes to interesting? Because that’s absolute bull–Jack’s dad pops up every other episode, Locke’s dad gets killed off in the brig, Hurley has abandonment issues stemming from _his_ dad leaving, Kate _killed_ her biological dad, Jin had to deal with working for Sun’s dad, even Ben never got to reconnect with his daughter. _Everyone_ has dad issues on the Island.
I don’t get it. Seriously, explain it to me.
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### Author:  [@Nars\_Glinley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nars_Glinley)
#### Post date: [June 3, 2008, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-13-14-theres-no-place-like-home-season-finale/451016/199 "2008-06-03T17:51:54Z")
[QUOTE=phungi]
Remember, on Lost, death≠written off…
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However, Crossing the producers = Banninated.
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### Author:  [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)
#### Post date: [June 3, 2008, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-13-14-theres-no-place-like-home-season-finale/451016/200 "2008-06-03T18:04:07Z")
[QUOTE=phungi]
Remember, on Lost, death≠written off…
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Take it back! TAKE IT BACK! Michael is DEAD DEAD DEAD AND HE ISN’T COMING BACK!
-Joe
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