# Lost 4.9: "The Shape of Things to Come" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 24, 2008, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-9-the-shape-of-things-to-come/446670 "2008-04-24T13:35:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2008, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-9-the-shape-of-things-to-come/446670/161 "2008-04-30T17:19:52Z")
As much as I enjoy Ben’s character, and for as brilliant, formidable, and Batman-prepared as he always seems to be, I think he has several bats in his belfry. My previous hunch was that Ben was directly responsible for CFL and Carl dying, but Alex being delivered to the village by the Goon Squad threw some water on that idea. It is still lingering in the back of my mind though. My current hunch is that Ben is indeed directly responsible for killing Nadia, and that he is leaking information to Widmore (the location and time of where Nadia would be killed, the location and time of the funeral in Tikrit) knowing that Widmore would send his goon to both places, and provide Ben with just the right circumstances to manipulate Sayid. Or he just knew that Widmore would be tailing all of the Oceanic 6, and simply spun those circumstances to set Sayid up to become a revenge-enraged henchman. ---
**Author:** ![Geek\_Mecha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ecae2f/32.png) [@Geek\_Mecha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Geek_Mecha)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2008, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-9-the-shape-of-things-to-come/446670/162 "2008-04-30T19:36:25Z")
Random factoids: The “hotel” where Ben checked in and inquired about the date is actually the ground floor of a YWCA in downtown Honolulu. There isn’t actually a desk or door there. 🙂 It’s actually part of a corridor that leads to a swimming pool, locker rooms, and some aerobics rooms. The pool would have been to Ben’s right, on the other side of the stairs. The indoor basketball court where Hurley is visited by Jack is up those stairs. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2008, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-9-the-shape-of-things-to-come/446670/163 "2008-05-01T00:20:02Z")
Anyone catch the promos for tomorrow’s episode? They appear to be setting up the possibility that Jack might die. Uh, yeah, except for all the times we’ve already seen him in the future, good fake! ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2008, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-9-the-shape-of-things-to-come/446670/164 "2008-05-01T04:35:37Z")
[QUOTE=Risha] - There’s a picture of what’s most likely the Black Pearl on Widmore’s wall next to his bed. [/QUOTE] You saw a ship with black sails that’s crewed by the damned, and captained by a man so evil that Hell itself spat him back out? ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2008, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-9-the-shape-of-things-to-come/446670/165 "2008-05-01T04:39:07Z")
[QUOTE=Monstre] You saw a ship with black sails that’s crewed by the damned, and captained by a man so evil that Hell itself spat him back out? [/QUOTE] Oh, and no ship that’s not crewed by the damned and captained by a man so evil that Hell itself spat him back out could possibly have black sails, therefore couldn’t possibly be any other ship than the Black Rock. Is that what you’re telling me? ---
**Author:** ![Risha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/5fc32e/32.png) [@Risha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Risha)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2008, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-9-the-shape-of-things-to-come/446670/166 "2008-05-01T15:00:13Z")
[QUOTE=ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies] Oh, and no ship that’s not crewed by the damned and captained by a man so evil that Hell itself spat him back out could possibly have black sails, therefore couldn’t possibly be any other ship than the Black Rock. Is that what you’re telling me? [/QUOTE] I believe that my subconcious had already added up all of the clues to arrive at what should have been obvious to us all. Charles Whidmore is one of two younger children born to Elizabeth and Will Turner. (He’s the evil twin, of course.) Or at least, that’s my story and I’m sticking to it. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Credible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a8b319/32.png) [@Justin\_Credible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Credible)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2008, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-9-the-shape-of-things-to-come/446670/167 "2008-05-01T15:13:16Z")
[QUOTE=Ellis Dee] Anyone catch the promos for tomorrow’s episode? They appear to be setting up the possibility that Jack might die. Uh, yeah, except for all the times we’ve already seen him in the future, good fake! [/QUOTE] What if they do kill him off? Can you imagine all the time travel/parallel earth/alternate future thearies that will be flying around? The internet might self-destruct. ---
**Author:** ![Flander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8c91f0/32.png) [@Flander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flander)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2008, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-9-the-shape-of-things-to-come/446670/168 "2008-05-01T15:34:28Z")
The only way to get off the island is on the backs of sea turtles. ---
**Author:** ![NajaNivea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/22d042/32.png) [@NajaNivea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NajaNivea)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2008, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-9-the-shape-of-things-to-come/446670/169 "2008-05-01T20:57:45Z")
Do they at least have righteous surfer accents? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-4-9-the-shape-of-things-to-come/446670.md?page=8)