# Lost 5.11 "Whatever Happened, Happened" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 1, 2009, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-11-whatever-happened-happened/491596 "2009-04-01T18:01:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-11-whatever-happened-happened/491596/61 "2009-04-02T20:45:37Z")
17 in this season and 17 in the next. ---
**Author:** ![TheVioletCreep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eb8c5e/32.png) [@TheVioletCreep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheVioletCreep)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-11-whatever-happened-happened/491596/62 "2009-04-02T21:23:10Z")
…no? Next week is the twelfth episode, five more to go (after next week) ---
**Author:** ![UncleRojelio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/unclerojelio/32/3160_2.png) [@UncleRojelio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleRojelio)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-11-whatever-happened-happened/491596/63 "2009-04-02T21:39:12Z")
> [@ZipperJJ](#): > > Here’s the [Lostpedia article on Cassidy](http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Cassidy), which I had to look up after the episode. I couldn’t remember how it was that Kate knew Sawyer’s conned babymama. Now I know. Yeah, I couldn’t remember the connection either. Thanks for the link. But that link just brings up another question for me. Last night when Kate goes to see Cassidy, one or both of them should have done a double take because, according to that link, they parted ways without ever discovering that they both knew the same Sawyer. Yet, last night they acted like they had both known all along. ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-11-whatever-happened-happened/491596/64 "2009-04-02T23:04:47Z")
> [@UncleRojelio](#): > > Yeah, I couldn’t remember the connection either. Thanks for the link. But that link just brings up another question for me. Last night when Kate goes to see Cassidy, one or both of them should have done a double take because, according to that link, they parted ways without ever discovering that they both knew the same Sawyer. Yet, last night they acted like they had both known all along. Yeah, I raised my eye at that one as well. My wife speculates that we’re supposed to understand Kate recognized the name once she did research on the address. (But how did she know the address? Really, how did she find this lady at all? How much could Sawyer have whispered on the helicopter?) And Cassidy would know Kate from the news, and I guess we’re supposed to assume she knew Sawyer was on the plane as well, either from news reports or from keeping tabs on him. ---
**Author:** ![Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/d9b06d/32.png) [@Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ichini_Sanshigo)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-11-whatever-happened-happened/491596/65 "2009-04-02T23:30:36Z")
> [@Frylock](#): > > How much could Sawyer have whispered on the helicopter? Remember that epic novel Claire and Charlie tied to the leg of the seagull a couple of seasons ago? ---
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-11-whatever-happened-happened/491596/66 "2009-04-03T01:51:55Z")
According to the lostpedia timeline, Sawyer met Cassidy in 2001, then she met Kate in 2001, then Cassidy sent Sawyer to jail and visited him in 2002. Is it plausible that Sawyer was keeping tabs on Cassidy between 2001 and 2002, knew about her adventures with Kate, and spend 108 days on the island mulling it over as to where he knew this girl from…and decided he’d figured it out? Then when he whispered to Kate he said “take care of your friend Cassidy’s baby for me. She’s mine.” Hmm…prolly not. nm ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-11-whatever-happened-happened/491596/67 "2009-04-03T01:57:08Z")
I thought Kate said something like “Sawyer told me where to find you.” ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-11-whatever-happened-happened/491596/68 "2009-04-03T02:16:13Z")
Is Sawyer’s daughter’s name Clementine Ford? [Isn’t that Cybill Shepherd’s daughter?](http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0285569/) My apologies if someone has already brought that up. I agree with Fenris: so glad Sawyer isn’t getting sucked into the Kate & Jack Drama Show. So far. Sawyer has been pretty open and adamant about his commitment to Juliet, and Kate and Jack aren’t too tight these days either. Maybe Kate will have to go without a crush this season. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-11-whatever-happened-happened/491596/69 "2009-04-03T02:22:37Z")
> [@Wheelz](#): > > One thing I’m not real clear on: After Jack refused to help, Kate, Juliet, and Sawyer were pretty quick to conclude that the only way to save the kid is to give him to the Others. _Why?_ What evidence have they seen that convinces them the Others have either better medical facilities, a skilled surgeon, or some magical healing abilities? It seemed like quite a leap of logic, or else I just missed the path leading from “Ben needs surgery” to “Let’s hand him over to the Hostiles.” My first thought was simply “process of elimination”. The kid needs surgery. Nobody at Dharma can (or is willing to, in the case of Jack) do it. Therefore, if the kid is going to live, we need to seek help elsewhere. Who else is on the island, besides Dharma? The Others/Hostiles. Maybe they can help us, maybe they can’t. But they’re the only ones left to ask – so we gotta try. Of course, **Meltdown** ’s answer about Juliet knowing a good bit about the “Others” in the first place is a good one. Quite possibly she knows enough to know that Richard could help. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-11-whatever-happened-happened/491596/70 "2009-04-03T02:25:35Z")
> [@Rubystreak](#): > > I agree with Fenris: so glad Sawyer isn’t getting sucked into the Kate & Jack Drama Show. So far. Sawyer has been pretty open and adamant about his commitment to Juliet, and Kate and Jack aren’t too tight these days either. Maybe Kate will have to go without a crush this season. For Jack and Kate not being too tight… didn’t Kate just show up at Jack’s place the night before the Ajira flight, say “I’m coming with you and don’t ask about Aaron”, and then **do** him? For Jack and Kate, that was just a couple days ago… ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-11-whatever-happened-happened/491596/71 "2009-04-03T02:31:53Z")
> [@Monstre](#): > > For Jack and Kate not being too tight… didn’t Kate just show up at Jack’s place the night before the Ajira flight, say “I’m coming with you and don’t ask about Aaron”, and then **do** him? For Jack and Kate, that was just a couple days ago… That was the Old Jack. The New Jack doesn’t seem to give a crap. He also seems to realize that the Old Jack was just a consolation prize for Kate, who never really liked him as much as he liked her, and was never really all that nice to him. I find the bitter, apathetic New Jack rather refreshing and about time. Idealistic, self-righteous, stubborn, stone stupid Old Jack was annoying and always screwing things up. This one seems to have his head on a bit straighter. Funny how things turn out, isn’t it? Sawyer is the leader, with the successful relationship with Juliet. Jack is the disaffected, surly outsider now. Turnabout is fair play, after all. ---
**Author:** ![MTRG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/71c47a/32.png) [@MTRG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MTRG)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-11-whatever-happened-happened/491596/72 "2009-04-03T13:13:41Z")
> [@Rubystreak](#): > > Maybe Kate will have to go without a crush this season. She has been flirting a bit with Roger Linus, now, wouldn’t they make a cute couple? ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-11-whatever-happened-happened/491596/73 "2009-04-03T13:17:42Z")
> [@MTRG](#): > > She has been flirting a bit with Roger Linus, now, wouldn’t they make a cute couple? Oooo! Kate is Ben’s mother! Somehow! Because it’s the Island! ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-11-whatever-happened-happened/491596/74 "2009-04-03T13:18:42Z")
I saw the part where Miles told Hurley to shoot him, but then had to turn away and so missed his explanation. What was his explanation? ---
**Author:** ![Ronald\_C.Semone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/cc9497/32.png) [@Ronald\_C.Semone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ronald_C.Semone)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-11-whatever-happened-happened/491596/75 "2009-04-03T13:22:11Z")
> [@Wheelz](#): > > One thing I’m not real clear on: After Jack refused to help, Kate, Juliet, and Sawyer were pretty quick to conclude that the only way to save the kid is to give him to the Others. _Why?_ What evidence have they seen that convinces them the Others have either better medical facilities, a skilled surgeon, or some magical healing abilities? It seemed like quite a leap of logic, or else I just missed the path leading from “Ben needs surgery” to “Let’s hand him over to the Hostiles.” > > ] Don’t forget, Sawyer and Juliet have been on the island for three years. Presumably they know a lot of things about the Others that we haven’t been told. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-11-whatever-happened-happened/491596/76 "2009-04-03T13:49:40Z")
> [@Frylock](#): > > I saw the part where Miles told Hurley to shoot him, but then had to turn away and so missed his explanation. What was his explanation? When it comes down to it, Miles explains that he just can’t be killed and blah blah. Conversation is presumed to go on, and then Hurley comes up with a great question that should sound familiar: “If what happened, happened, shouldn’t Ben have recognized Sayid as the guy who tortured him in the future?” -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-11-whatever-happened-happened/491596/77 "2009-04-03T13:51:21Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > When it comes down to it, Miles explains that he just can’t be killed and blah blah. > > -Joe Yeah I imagined he was going to say he can’t be killed, but I didn’t understand why. Did he explain why? I see no reason he can’t be killed. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-11-whatever-happened-happened/491596/78 "2009-04-03T13:59:15Z")
> [@Frylock](#): > > Yeah I imagined he was going to say he can’t be killed, but I didn’t understand why. Did he explain why? > > I see no reason he can’t be killed. Actually, I forgot that part. Yes, Miles points out that all of the time travellers CAN be killed - but Ben and the like CAN’T. Hurley has trouble with it. THEN he asks the question about Sayid and Ben. I’m not sure what was going on with the guy because Miles believes he can be killed… -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-11-whatever-happened-happened/491596/79 "2009-04-03T14:04:45Z")
UUUUUUUUUUUUUgh. “Gun”. Not “Guy”. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-11-whatever-happened-happened/491596/80 "2009-04-03T14:15:52Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > Actually, I forgot that part. Yes, Miles points out that all of the time travellers CAN be killed - but Ben and the like CAN’T. > > Hurley has trouble with it. THEN he asks the question about Sayid and Ben. > > I’m not sure what was going on with the gun because Miles believes he can be killed… > > -Joe I was under the impression that Miles was so annoyed with Hurley’s questions that he wanted him to shoot him and put him out of his misery. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-11-whatever-happened-happened/491596.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-11-whatever-happened-happened/491596.md?page=5)