# Lost 5.11 "Whatever Happened, Happened" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 1, 2009, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-11-whatever-happened-happened/491596 "2009-04-01T18:01:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-11-whatever-happened-happened/491596/81 "2009-04-03T14:21:49Z")
> [@ZipperJJ](#): > > Here’s the [Lostpedia article on Cassidy](http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Cassidy), which I had to look up after the episode. I couldn’t remember how it was that Kate knew Sawyer’s conned babymama. Now I know. Thank you–I couldn’t remember that either. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-11-whatever-happened-happened/491596/82 "2009-04-03T14:29:30Z")
My big complaint this season is that there’s not nearly enough Hurley–Hurley needs two or three Hurley-centric episodes a season. Plus, everyone’s forgotten his “Super-Luck” power. Remember when they were first going after the Crazy French Chick and he started muttering the numbers to bypass traps, etc? ---
**Author:** ![borschevsky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/97f17d/32.png) [@borschevsky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/borschevsky)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-11-whatever-happened-happened/491596/83 "2009-04-03T14:34:27Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > I was under the impression that Miles was so annoyed with Hurley’s questions that he wanted him to shoot him and put him out of his misery. I thought it was like a test. If Hurley understood the explanation about time travel, then he’d know that Miles can be killed. If Hurley agrees to shoot Miles, then he doesn’t understand, because he thinks Miles is unkillable like little Ben. ---
**Author:** ![MichaelQReilly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@MichaelQReilly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MichaelQReilly)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-11-whatever-happened-happened/491596/84 "2009-04-03T14:47:38Z")
> [@Monstre](#): > > For Jack and Kate not being too tight… didn’t Kate just show up at Jack’s place the night before the Ajira flight, say “I’m coming with you and don’t ask about Aaron”, and then **do** him? For Jack and Kate, that was just a couple days ago… Yeah, but that isn’t saying much. Everytime she gets real upset she jumps in bed with somebody. ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-11-whatever-happened-happened/491596/85 "2009-04-03T15:15:32Z")
> [@borschevsky](#): > > I thought it was like a test. If Hurley understood the explanation about time travel, then he’d know that Miles can be killed. If Hurley agrees to shoot Miles, then he doesn’t understand, because he thinks Miles is unkillable like little Ben. Would have been funny if he had shot him the leg. I liked last night’s episode despite it being a “Kate” centric one. I’m not sure if it is the character, the actress, or both but any time Kate is on screen, I roll my eyes. ----\>:rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-11-whatever-happened-happened/491596/86 "2009-04-03T15:20:32Z")
> [@middleman](#): > > Would have been funny if he had shot him the leg. > > I liked last night’s episode despite it being a “Kate” centric one. I’m not sure if it is the character, the actress, or both but any time Kate is on screen, I roll my eyes. ----\>:rolleyes: IMO, there is pretty much nothing admirable or likable about Kate apart from her looks. She’s a really shallow, unpleasant person. IMO. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Mama\_Zappa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/71e660/32.png) [@Mama\_Zappa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mama_Zappa)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-11-whatever-happened-happened/491596/87 "2009-04-03T17:35:15Z")
Have they ever said ANYTHING about what happened to Faraday? Is he supposedly assimilated into the Dharma group also? And if so, when are we going to see him again? ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-11-whatever-happened-happened/491596/88 "2009-04-03T17:39:39Z")
I love the way Kate forced Aaron on Grandma–“I’m just gonna leave him in the room next door, so really, you gotta take care of him now, regardless of how you feel about it. Hee-another life messed with.” Plus, other than she’s a huge gaping vortex of drama, why the hell didn’t Kate simply _tell_ Jack “I left him with his grandma” rather than "Don’t EVER ask me THAT AGAIN?!?!?! \< sob \> " ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-11-whatever-happened-happened/491596/89 "2009-04-03T17:40:41Z")
> [@Mama\_Zappa](#): > > Have they ever said ANYTHING about what happened to Faraday? Is he supposedly assimilated into the Dharma group also? And if so, when are we going to see him again? I think he’s working on um…The Swan? Whichever station has the Wheel. ---
**Author:** ![Gfactor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de053/32.png) [@Gfactor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gfactor)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-11-whatever-happened-happened/491596/90 "2009-04-03T17:41:18Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > I think he’s working on um…The Swan? Whichever station has the Wheel. The Orchid. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-11-whatever-happened-happened/491596/91 "2009-04-03T17:50:37Z")
> [@Mama\_Zappa](#): > > Have they ever said ANYTHING about what happened to Faraday? Is he supposedly assimilated into the Dharma group also? And if so, when are we going to see him again? All we’ve heard is that he’s “not here anymore.” We saw him in the orchid at the start of the season, but we don’t know when that was in relation to what’s going on now. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-11-whatever-happened-happened/491596/92 "2009-04-03T18:14:08Z")
I just thought of something: if Charles Whitmore was on the Island in 1977…how old is Penny? ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-11-whatever-happened-happened/491596/93 "2009-04-03T18:20:24Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > I just thought of something: if Charles Whitmore was on the Island in 1977…how old is Penny? Lostpedia says Penny’s age has never been stated on screen. [http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Penelope\_Widmore](http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Penelope_Widmore) ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-11-whatever-happened-happened/491596/94 "2009-04-03T18:26:14Z")
Still, I doubt she’s younger than 30. Not after 3 years with Desmond, 3 years looking for him, at least a couple of years when he was in the army… it adds up. I’m pretty sure she was born on the Island. The question is, what does this mean? ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-11-whatever-happened-happened/491596/95 "2009-04-03T18:27:33Z")
But Sonya Walger was born in 1974, so even with some of the age shifting that’s been going on (like Ethan) we can assume she is near 30. And Widmore claimed that Ben tricked him into turning the wheel, so if he was telling the truth it won’t be for a while since Ben is still a kid. So either Penny was born on the island, or Widmore was sent back in time when he turned the wheel. Definitely thinking that Penny and Daniel are siblings, or at least half-siblings. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-11-whatever-happened-happened/491596/96 "2009-04-03T18:34:19Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > I just thought of something: if Charles Whitmore was on the Island in 1977…how old is Penny? If? From what Richard said, he was definitely there, and he was probably in charge. Hmm… -Joe ---
**Author:** ![jackdavinci](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackdavinci/32/3259_2.png) [@jackdavinci](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jackdavinci)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-11-whatever-happened-happened/491596/97 "2009-04-03T19:21:26Z")
> [@well\_he\_s\_back](#): > > Speaking of Widmore, wouldn’t he have been watching our Losties well enough to know that they are all on this flight to “Guam” together? Don’t you think he had minions on the plane? He was pretty integral in helping Locke try to gather the Losties for the trip, so that does make sense. > [@Mahaloth](#): > > Hurley: “Then why didn’t Ben remember Sayid as the dude that shot him all those years ago?” Well Richard’s comment about memory loss might explain why he doesn’t remember Sayid, but unless the rest of the Losties leave the Barracks before Ben gets back, and Sayid never shows his face again, there’s no reason he shouldn’t at least remember them. > [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > I was expecting the smoke monster to swallow them up. I was expecting him to turn into the smoke monster lol > [@Wheelz](#): > > pretty quick to conclude that the only way to save the kid is to give him to the Others. Juliet: there’s nothing more I can do Kate: Jack refuses to help, is there _really_ nothing else to do Juliet: well.. Juliet was both the one to say that she couldn’t save Ben and that the Others might be able to - she lived with them for three years so she would be the one to know. > [@Shark\_Sandwich](#): > > Has anyone gotten their head wrapped around why we’ve only seen Richard Alpert with long, disheveled hair once? Nope. Although it seems the Others like to dress up - as slobby natives, US military, Dharma people, hillbilly boaters, preppy recruiters… > [@Mama\_Zappa](#): > > Have they ever said ANYTHING about what happened to Faraday? Is he supposedly assimilated into the Dharma group also? And if so, when are we going to see him again? Well we know from his flashforward that at some point he was working at the Orchid, and from dialogue it’s implied that he’s disappeared or at least not living at the Baracks anymore. I’m pretty sure he has an episode coming up soon addressing all that ---
**Author:** ![flex727](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/258eb7/32.png) [@flex727](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flex727)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-11-whatever-happened-happened/491596/98 "2009-04-03T20:36:16Z")
> [@jackdavinci](#): > > Well we know from his flashforward that at some point he was working at the Orchid, and from dialogue it’s implied that he’s disappeared or at least not living at the Baracks anymore. I’m pretty sure he > > has an episode coming up soon addressing all that I’m suspecting that it will be addressed in episode 5.14 “The Variable” (rumored Faraday-centric), Airdate: April 29, 2009 ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-11-whatever-happened-happened/491596/99 "2009-04-03T20:45:23Z")
> [@jackdavinci](#): > > Well Richard’s comment about memory loss might explain why he doesn’t remember Sayid, but unless the rest of the Losties leave the Barracks before Ben gets back, and Sayid never shows his face again, there’s no reason he shouldn’t at least remember them. My guess is that they will all go back to the future at the end of the season. It’s possible that Ben won’t be back before they leave. Which brings up another question: How are they going to explain Ben’s disappearance? We know that he does come back to Dharma eventually. ---
**Author:** ![Rich\_Mann](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ce73a5/32.png) [@Rich\_Mann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rich_Mann)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-11-whatever-happened-happened/491596/100 "2009-04-03T21:01:27Z")
Regarding Faraday: When we saw the flash-forward of him at the Orchid he wasn’t exactly working there. He was clearly shown hiding his face from Chang/Wickman/Candle as they walked by each other. The implication I got was that he wasn’t supposed to be there. My guess is that he is spying on Dharma’s progress at the Orchid station for either his own ends or the Others. He may be waiting for the FDW to become available for turning in order to get everyone Back to the Future[sup]TM[/sup]. If he’s working with the Others his mission could be just about anything. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-11-whatever-happened-happened/491596.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-11-whatever-happened-happened/491596.md?page=6)