# Lost 5.13 "Some Like It Hoth" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 15, 2009, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-13-some-like-it-hoth/493202 "2009-04-15T18:32:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Trion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ccd318/32.png) [@Trion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trion)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2009, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-13-some-like-it-hoth/493202/1 "2009-04-15T18:32:10Z")
Thread rules: > [@](#): > > Information about all episodes aired to this point – including the current week – will be unboxed. > Information about this week’s episode’s “next week” teasers will be unboxed. > Information about future episodes taken from spoiler sites/inside sources, including Podcasts, will be boxed. This includes links to promo photos and screencaps from future episodes. > Speculation based on events in episodes aired up to this point (including teasers) will be unboxed. > Speculation based on spoilers for upcoming episodes will be boxed. > > Please remember, links inside spoiler boxes are readable even to those who don’t highlight. From the on-line description for tonight’s episode: **Some Like It Hoth** Suspicions are raised when Ben is taken from the infirmary; Miles is asked to deliver an important package. **Some useful Café Society links are given below:** Thread index for Season 1 Episodes: [1](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=277083) [2](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=278382) [3](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=279542) [4](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=280792) [5](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=281998) [6](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=283328) [7](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=284665) [8](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=285925) [9](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=287237) [10](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=289514) [11](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=290718) 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[4](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=505081) [5](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=506072) [6](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=507159) [7](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=508184) [8](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=509123) [9](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=510798) [10](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=511706) [11](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=512553) [12](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=513403) [The Official Lost Jargon Thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=286221) Official “Lost” Questions Thread[Season 1](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=284542), [Season 2](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=336040), [Season 3](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=390739) **Here are some interesting external links:** [The Tail Section](http://www.thetailsection.com/): Excellent site for still frame photos of key scenes, along with some good analysis. But… beware of spoilers! [Sledgeweb’s Lost… Stuff](http://lost.cubit.net/): Pretty good site, but again beware of spoilers. I use it mainly for the Timeline section, which is an incredibly detailed breakdown of “how long since…?” for almost anything you can think of (pre- and post-plane crash). [Door Map from Episode 2.17](http://www.thetailsection.com/uploaded_images/cleanwall-707484.jpg). A nicely cleaned up version of the diagram Locke saw while pinned under the lockdown doors. No spoilers. [Lostpedia](http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Main_Page): The wikipedia of Lost information. Quite a comprehensive site, but beware of spoilers! ## [ThEmIsFiTiShErE](http://themisfitishere.blogspot.com/): The Misfit offers his whacky commentary on “Lost”. Is he a nut-case or a clever insider? Careful, though, possible spoilers. Despite having the worst episode title ever, I’m looking forward to tonight’s installment. I’m betting it’ll be lots of fun and we might even get some information. And here is where I need to provide a programming note. Next week will be one of those catch-you-up clip shows to prepare people for the final three episodes. The week after that we’re back with the big 100th show. Or the 100th hour. I’ve heard it refered to both ways. I’d check myself, but I can’t count that high. ---
**Author:** ![Wheelz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wheelz/32/5718_2.png) [@Wheelz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wheelz)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2009, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-13-some-like-it-hoth/493202/2 "2009-04-15T18:47:52Z")
A _Star Wars_ reference? Intriguing. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2009, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-13-some-like-it-hoth/493202/3 "2009-04-15T18:56:02Z")
> [@](#): > > Lost 5.13 “Some Like It Hoth” I’ve been waiting for a Star Wars reference in Dharma-riffic 1977. I can’t wait. ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2009, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-13-some-like-it-hoth/493202/4 "2009-04-15T20:15:05Z")
> [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > I’ve been waiting for a Star Wars reference in Dharma-riffic 1977. I can’t wait. Though, it’s worth remembering that Hoth didn’t turn up until Empire. ---
**Author:** ![TooSchoolforCool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tooschoolforcool/32/19621_2.png) [@TooSchoolforCool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TooSchoolforCool)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2009, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-13-some-like-it-hoth/493202/5 "2009-04-15T20:27:32Z")
> [@TBG](#): > > Though, it’s worth remembering that Hoth didn’t turn up until Empire. Continuity nightmare! Or maybe a clue: maybe the Island is so radically out of step with normal time at this point that the 1980 Empire was already available in the “Dharma” 1977. But then, Charlotte was born way older than she should have been, so… ---
**Author:** ![Trion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ccd318/32.png) [@Trion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trion)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2009, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-13-some-like-it-hoth/493202/6 "2009-04-15T20:31:00Z")
And “Some Like It Hot” came out in 1939! What can we make of that?!? OK, probably nothing. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2009, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-13-some-like-it-hoth/493202/7 "2009-04-15T21:07:29Z")
> [@TooSchoolforCool](#): > > Continuity nightmare! Or maybe a clue: maybe the Island is so radically out of step with normal time at this point that the 1980 Empire was already available in the “Dharma” 1977. > > But then, Charlotte was born way older than she should have been, so… I don’t think this is a spoiler, but just in case: [spoiler]the producers acknowledge this as a mistake in the script. [http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2009/03/lost-exclusive.html[/spoiler]](http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2009/03/lost-exclusive.html%5B/spoiler%5D) I advise anyone who keeps track of Lost’s timeline, etc. to read the above spoiler boxed item, but just in case you are in complete blockout mode of anything non-show, I boxed it. ---
**Author:** ![Hampshire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hampshire/32/4887_2.png) [@Hampshire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hampshire)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2009, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-13-some-like-it-hoth/493202/8 "2009-04-15T21:29:09Z")
It looks like there will be no new LOST next week. The season wraps up with: 4/15 (tonight) Ep.13 4/22 (no show) 4/29 Ep.14 5/6 Ep.15 5/13 (two hours) Ep.16-17 ---
**Author:** ![Bearflag70](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Bearflag70](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bearflag70)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2009, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-13-some-like-it-hoth/493202/9 "2009-04-15T22:28:36Z")
> [@Trion](#): > > And “Some Like It Hot” came out in 1939! What can we make of that?!? > > OK, probably nothing. 😃 … and The Power Station released the single in 1985. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2009, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-13-some-like-it-hoth/493202/10 "2009-04-16T01:08:57Z")
“He fell into a ditch” “What about the bullet hole in his head? The ditch had a gun?” heehee ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2009, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-13-some-like-it-hoth/493202/11 "2009-04-16T01:27:03Z")
Hurley: “You’re just jealous my power is better than yours.” Hahahaa. Nice. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2009, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-13-some-like-it-hoth/493202/12 "2009-04-16T01:36:04Z")
“Third day I was here, I saw my mom in the cafeteria line behind me. That was my first clue…” I’m liking Miles a lot more these days. ---
**Author:** ![Alias](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a88e4f/32.png) [@Alias](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alias)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2009, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-13-some-like-it-hoth/493202/13 "2009-04-16T01:44:33Z")
Miles is awesome nowadays. I used to hate him, but I think he’s great now. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2009, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-13-some-like-it-hoth/493202/14 "2009-04-16T01:44:53Z")
I love that Hurley can’t shut up. “So, hey, your kid’s names is Miles. Your names is Miles, right?” “I bet the two of you are very close after 3 years.” ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2009, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-13-some-like-it-hoth/493202/15 "2009-04-16T01:47:49Z")
Dude in the van – that’s one of Ilana’s guys, right?! From the Ajira 315 crash. The ones who are “taking over” – from last time when Lapidus got back to the plane. ---
**Author:** ![Alias](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a88e4f/32.png) [@Alias](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alias)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2009, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-13-some-like-it-hoth/493202/16 "2009-04-16T01:52:20Z")
Yeah, that’s the same guy who was with her and the big crate thing last week. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2009, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-13-some-like-it-hoth/493202/17 "2009-04-16T01:55:58Z")
Well, now we know who REALLY wrote Empire Strikes Back… 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2009, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-13-some-like-it-hoth/493202/18 "2009-04-16T01:59:57Z")
“Ewoks suck, dude.” Hurley and Miles do make a great buddy pair. ---
**Author:** ![Alias](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a88e4f/32.png) [@Alias](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alias)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2009, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-13-some-like-it-hoth/493202/19 "2009-04-16T02:03:48Z")
> [@Monstre](#): > > “Ewoks suck, dude.” > > Hurley and Miles do make a great buddy pair. Shhh! Don’t say that too loud or we’ll get a horrible spinoff!😉 ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2009, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-13-some-like-it-hoth/493202/20 "2009-04-16T02:05:26Z")
I have a very special happy dance that I reserve for special scenes in this show. Normally it’s for any sort of Penny-Desmond reunion scene. I brought it back out tonight for Dan’s return. Also, I’m predicting right now that Bram and Illana are part of Dharma, trying to come back to the island. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-13-some-like-it-hoth/493202.md?page=2)