# Lost 5.13 "Some Like It Hoth" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 15, 2009, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-13-some-like-it-hoth/493202 "2009-04-15T18:32:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2009, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-13-some-like-it-hoth/493202/61 "2009-04-16T22:51:01Z")
Random thought: What if “Dr. Candle” is a Sawyer-nickname for Dr. Chang and he just uses it as a gag? ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-13-some-like-it-hoth/493202/62 "2009-04-17T00:36:06Z")
> [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > Random thought: > > What if “Dr. Candle” is a Sawyer-nickname for Dr. Chang and he just uses it as a gag? Did Sawyer ever see any of the movies? Because if he were to accidentally slip either “Wick” or “Candle”, that’d be kinda funny. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![emmaliminal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7bcc69/32.png) [@emmaliminal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emmaliminal)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-13-some-like-it-hoth/493202/63 "2009-04-17T01:12:18Z")
Can somebody talk to me about the corpses? First Dharma-Paul-wearing-an-ankh, then filling-through-head guy: Why do people want to carry corpses off to the middle of the jungle? ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-13-some-like-it-hoth/493202/64 "2009-04-17T01:19:46Z")
> [@emmaliminal](#): > > Can somebody talk to me about the corpses? First Dharma-Paul-wearing-an-ankh, then filling-through-head guy: Why do people want to carry corpses off to the middle of the jungle? Can’t remember Paul, but I assume they’re just hiding the bodies somewhere. Unmarked grave or some such. Otherwise you have to explain why a guy’s filling blew out of the top of his head. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![emmaliminal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7bcc69/32.png) [@emmaliminal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emmaliminal)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-13-some-like-it-hoth/493202/65 "2009-04-17T01:27:44Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > Can’t remember Paul, but I assume they’re just hiding the bodies somewhere. Unmarked grave or some such. Otherwise you have to explain why a guy’s filling blew out of the top of his head. > > -Joe Paul: dude who got shot by Others just before Sawyer et al arrived at the picnic. Richard made it a condition of not going postal that he got to take Paul’s body with him. Rather than leave it with his grieving wife, Amy, who later got with Horace. The Dharma people agreed to it. And filling guy: Why haul his corpse all that way, let Miles Sr. in on the Circle of Trust, stink up a Dharma van, and let all the Orchid workers see the body bag go by? Wasn’t there plenty of perfectly decent dirt for an unmarked grave near the Swan construction site? I’m smellin’ zombies, I tell ya. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-13-some-like-it-hoth/493202/66 "2009-04-17T01:43:34Z")
> [@emmaliminal](#): > > And filling guy: Why haul his corpse all that way, let Miles Sr. in on the Circle of Trust, stink up a Dharma van, and let all the Orchid workers see the body bag go by? Wasn’t there plenty of perfectly decent dirt for an unmarked grave near the Swan construction site? > > I’m smellin’ zombies, I tell ya. I assumed that they needed to study the body to find out more about the electromagnetic effects that (presumably) pulled the filling right through his brainpan, so they needed to move it to wherever they have the corpse-electromagnetic-investigating equipment. ---
**Author:** ![emmaliminal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7bcc69/32.png) [@emmaliminal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emmaliminal)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-13-some-like-it-hoth/493202/67 "2009-04-17T02:12:26Z")
Heyyy, that’s another thing. Are there… OK, \*were \*there in the 70s any ferromagnetic dental amalgams in use? I am not nearly sciencey enough to figure that out from the [amalgam](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amalgam_(dentistry)), [ferromagnetism](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferromagnetism), or [magnetism](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic) Wikipedia articles, although the latter does say “all materials are influenced to greater or lesser degree by the presence of a magnetic field.” Could a filling possibly be more vulnerable to big-ass Island magnets than, say, the zipper on your Dharmasuit? ---
**Author:** ![TooSchoolforCool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tooschoolforcool/32/19621_2.png) [@TooSchoolforCool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TooSchoolforCool)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-13-some-like-it-hoth/493202/68 "2009-04-17T02:21:48Z")
I assumed they were doing some sort of experiment with the body. Though most of their experiments that we’ve seen so far consist of them putting things near other things and crazy things happening and then them going AHHHHHHHHHHH! So, yeah, in summation, could be zombies. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-13-some-like-it-hoth/493202/69 "2009-04-17T03:36:10Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > I’m thinking that maybe Hurley will try to sabotage the hatch in order to stop the whole thing from ever happening, and end up causing the incident instead. Dude. ---
**Author:** ![Plynck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Plynck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plynck)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-13-some-like-it-hoth/493202/70 "2009-04-17T13:42:48Z")
> [@middleman](#): > > Last night we got a couple of honest to goodness answers. > > 1. The identity of Marvin Candle’s baby > **2. Why Miles asked Ben for 3.2 Million dollars.** > 2. The “What Lies In the Shadow” gunmen are not Widmore men. Because 3.2 million dollars seems completely random, but 1.6 million dollars does not? It might have made more sense had Naomi said “You will be paid one million pounds, or about ? million dollars.” I’ve become a bit unstuck in time here - we’re talking 2007, aren’t we? I think the pound bought almost 2 USD back then. So I have no idea as to the significance of 1.6 million dollars. ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-13-some-like-it-hoth/493202/71 "2009-04-17T14:29:15Z")
> [@Morbo](#): > > Here’s my wild-assed prediction: Richard Alpert is some sort of Anubis-worshipping Egyptian Sorcerer that was able to travel from ancient Egypt to that island and bring his religious philosophy to the later inhabitants. That’s why he alone can time travel and not age, and why the Other leaders respect him so much. He advises Jacob, just like he used to advise his Egyptian King, in a “Merlin” kinda way. Or in the way the Biblical Jacob’s son [Joseph](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_(dreamer)#Viceroy_of_Egypt) advised the Egyptians… > [@emmaliminal](#): > > And filling guy: Why haul his corpse all that way, let Miles Sr. in on the Circle of Trust, stink up a Dharma van, and let all the Orchid workers see the body bag go by? Wasn’t there plenty of perfectly decent dirt for an unmarked grave near the Swan construction site? > > I’m smellin’ zombies, I tell ya. Notice when Naomi was recruiting Miles, she said a lot of dead people “reside” on the island. Not “buried”, not “died”, but “reside”. > [@Plynck](#): > > Because 3.2 million dollars seems completely random, but 1.6 million dollars does not? > > It might have made more sense had Naomi said “You will be paid one million pounds, or about ? million dollars.” I’ve become a bit unstuck in time here - we’re talking 2007, aren’t we? I think the pound bought almost 2 USD back then. So I have no idea as to the significance of 1.6 million dollars. Every Lost mystery begets another mystery. However, as “16” is one THE NUMBERS, I think that is about as deep as it is going to get. 1.6 plays to the numbers, and 3.2 is just double that. ---
**Author:** ![Mirror\_Image\_egamI\_rorriM](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e56c9b/32.png) [@Mirror\_Image\_egamI\_rorriM](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mirror_Image_egamI_rorriM)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-13-some-like-it-hoth/493202/72 "2009-04-17T15:09:27Z")
So Miles and Hurley both interact with the dead. Miles can hear to any dead person if a body is available. He cannot hold a conversation, as the dead person is no longer aware–their brain is dead. He does not see them as if they were alive, only as a physical dead body. Hurley, I assume, has only spoken with the dead he already knows, no body present–Mr. Eko, Charlie, Ana Lucia. He sees them, he speaks with them. (Ignoring Dave, who is not a dead guy. He’s something totally different). What are the implications of this? Are Hurley’s dead people not really dead? Has Miles spoken with any of Hurley’s dead people? ---
**Author:** ![emmaliminal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7bcc69/32.png) [@emmaliminal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emmaliminal)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-13-some-like-it-hoth/493202/73 "2009-04-17T15:20:37Z")
> [@Mirror\_Image\_egamI\_rorriM](#): > > So Miles and Hurley both interact with the dead… Yeah. I am so very looking forward to an explaining-why-Hurley-came-back episode. You know, Eko and Locke and who knows who all else have interacted with the dead too, if you count dreams. And if Christian counts as dead, even more. There are way too many kinds of “dead” around there. > [@Mirror\_Image\_egamI\_rorriM](#): > > Has Miles spoken with any of Hurley’s dead people? Not that we’ve seen yet, unless I’m forgetting something. Which NEVER happens. > [@middleman](#): > > Notice when Naomi was recruiting Miles, she said a lot of dead people “reside” on the island. Not “buried”, not “died”, but “reside”. a-_ **HA!!!** _ Also, there have been too many “resurrection” references to list. Well, except [here](http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Resurrection#References_.26_Symbols). ---
**Author:** ![emmaliminal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7bcc69/32.png) [@emmaliminal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emmaliminal)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-13-some-like-it-hoth/493202/74 "2009-04-17T16:04:19Z")
OK, I just read something on [Lostpedia](http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Some_Like_It_Hoth/Theories#Construction_of_the_Swan) that I hadn’t picked up on when watching the episode: In 1977, the building site of the Swan is in Hostile territory, apparently according to Miles. [QUOTE=a Lostpedia theories page] [ul] [li]Miles mentions that grid 334 (where they are building the Swan) is hostile territory. This could why Radzinsky freaked out when Sayid saw the plans for the Swan.[/li][li]Perhaps 334 actually isn’t hostile territory, but the inner circle tells everyone else that it is, just to keep them from wandering upon it, to keep it secret.[/li][/ul] [/QUOTE] So maybe the Dharma folks move filling-through-head guy’s corpse to keep the Others from zombifying him, as they presumably did with Paul-the-ankh-wearer. Maybe you can be Otherized after death. ---
**Author:** ![Bearflag70](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Bearflag70](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bearflag70)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-13-some-like-it-hoth/493202/75 "2009-04-17T16:40:47Z")
Some people over at Lostpedia are very creative… SOME LIKE IT HOTH is an anagram for MILES EKO I [THOTH](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thoth) ---
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-13-some-like-it-hoth/493202/76 "2009-04-17T18:10:14Z")
> [@middleman](#): > > Or in the way the Biblical Jacob’s son [Joseph](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_(dreamer)#Viceroy_of_Egypt) advised the Egyptians… That’s what I get for not being Churchy. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-13-some-like-it-hoth/493202/77 "2009-04-17T21:56:18Z")
I think that there’s a reason why they would take a dead body to the Orchid station. If they’re just dumping it, they could take him anywhere. Instead, they take him to the station involved with time travel… ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Q](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/898d66/32.png) [@Johnny\_Q](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Q)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-13-some-like-it-hoth/493202/78 "2009-04-17T23:12:31Z")
> [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > Random thought: > > What if “Dr. Candle” is a Sawyer-nickname for Dr. Chang and he just uses it as a gag? Does the Good Doctor catch fire at some point? ---
**Author:** ![emmaliminal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7bcc69/32.png) [@emmaliminal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emmaliminal)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2009, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-13-some-like-it-hoth/493202/79 "2009-04-18T00:24:02Z")
You know, it’s clearly not the same actor, but I wonder whether the Numbers-Hollering-Guy (apparently named [Glenn](http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Image:5x13_Glenn.png)) at the Orchid was meant to be [young Widmore](http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Image:5x12_Dont_worry.png). ---
**Author:** ![emmaliminal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7bcc69/32.png) [@emmaliminal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emmaliminal)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2009, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-13-some-like-it-hoth/493202/80 "2009-04-18T00:39:36Z")
(You can perhaps surmise that I’m rewatching some episodes. Don’t worry: I’m not obsessed. At all. And I’m not a nitpicker or anything.) Re in the episode before this one, “Dead Is Dead”… the photo of Ben with Alex that he goes to some trouble to recover… did the Dharma Initiative have on-site photo processing? Mail order? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-13-some-like-it-hoth/493202.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-13-some-like-it-hoth/493202.md?page=5)