# Lost 5.15 "Follow The Leader" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 6, 2009, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-15-follow-the-leader/495571 "2009-05-06T18:38:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Trion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ccd318/32.png) [@Trion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trion)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2009, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-15-follow-the-leader/495571/1 "2009-05-06T18:38:01Z")
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From the on-line description for tonight’s episode: **Follow The Leader** Kate and Jack are at odds; Locke solidifies his position as leader of the Others; Juliet and Sawyer are scrutinized. **Some useful Café Society links are given below:** Thread index for Season 1 Episodes: [1](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=277083) [2](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=278382) [3](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=279542) [4](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=280792) [5](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=281998) [6](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=283328) [7](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=284665) [8](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=285925) [9](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=287237) [10](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=289514) [11](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=290718) 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[4](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=505081) [5](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=506072) [6](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=507159) [7](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=508184) [8](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=509123) [9](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=510798) [10](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=511706) [11](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=512553) [12](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=513403) [13](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=514223) [14](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=515845) [The Official Lost Jargon Thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=286221) Official “Lost” Questions Thread[Season 1](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=284542), [Season 2](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=336040), [Season 3](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=390739) **Here are some interesting external links:** [The Tail Section](http://www.thetailsection.com/): Excellent site for still frame photos of key scenes, along with some good analysis. But… beware of spoilers! [Sledgeweb’s Lost… Stuff](http://lost.cubit.net/): Pretty good site, but again beware of spoilers. I use it mainly for the Timeline section, which is an incredibly detailed breakdown of “how long since…?” for almost anything you can think of (pre- and post-plane crash). [Door Map from Episode 2.17](http://www.thetailsection.com/uploaded_images/cleanwall-707484.jpg). A nicely cleaned up version of the diagram Locke saw while pinned under the lockdown doors. No spoilers. [Lostpedia](http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Main_Page): The wikipedia of Lost information. Quite a comprehensive site, but beware of spoilers! ## [ThEmIsFiTiShErE](http://themisfitishere.blogspot.com/): The Misfit offers his whacky commentary on “Lost”. Is he a nut-case or a clever insider? Careful, though, possible spoilers. Last week Faraday got himself killed trying to change the future with a hydrogen bomb. That kind of thing almost never ends well. For the rest of the crew, Dharma fun time seems to be over. And we’re gearing up for the season finale, so there’s sure to be a lot of moving the pieces around on the chessboard to prepare for next week. ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2009, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-15-follow-the-leader/495571/2 "2009-05-06T18:44:52Z")
> [@Trion](#): > > Last week Faraday got himself killed trying to change the future with a hydrogen bomb. That kind of thing almost never ends well. Statistics show that 90% of all Change the Future With a Hydrogen Bomb businesses close in the first three months! 🙂 Anyone have an idea whose flashback we are seeing tonight? I’m guessing Jack, since we haven’t seen one of his in a while. Or the flashing is from 1977 to 2007. ---
**Author:** ![Trion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ccd318/32.png) [@Trion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trion)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2009, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-15-follow-the-leader/495571/3 "2009-05-06T18:47:23Z")
> [@middleman](#): > > Statistics show that 90% of all Change the Future With a Hydrogen Bomb businesses close in the first three months! 🙂 > > Anyone have an idea whose flashback we are seeing tonight? I’m guessing Jack, since we haven’t seen one of his in a while. Or the flashing is from 1977 to 2007. Actually, I’ve heard a rumor that it’s: Richard Alpert I hope so. ---
**Author:** ![Shark\_Sandwich](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f04885/32.png) [@Shark\_Sandwich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shark_Sandwich)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2009, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-15-follow-the-leader/495571/4 "2009-05-06T19:10:00Z")
> [@Trion](#): > > Actually, I’ve heard a rumor that it’s: > > Richard Alpert > > I hope so. Man, that would be cool. And we may actually get some questions answered. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Q](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/898d66/32.png) [@Johnny\_Q](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Q)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2009, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-15-follow-the-leader/495571/5 "2009-05-06T19:22:18Z")
Anyone think the Losties’ attempt to hit the History Eraser button causes The Incident that starts this whole ball of wax rolling? Yet another case of causing something by trying to prevent it. ---
**Author:** ![woodstockbirdybird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/woodstockbirdybird/32/7905_2.png) [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2009, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-15-follow-the-leader/495571/6 "2009-05-06T20:00:01Z")
> [@Johnny\_Q](#): > > Anyone think the Losties’ attempt to hit the History Eraser button causes The Incident that starts this whole ball of wax rolling? Yet another case of causing something by trying to prevent it. That’s definitely been my feeling. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2009, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-15-follow-the-leader/495571/7 "2009-05-06T20:07:06Z")
I predict that the bomb will \*become \*the failsafe system. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2009, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-15-follow-the-leader/495571/8 "2009-05-06T20:13:09Z")
I predict that Kate will get shot and to bring her back to life, Jack manages to reboot the entire show so that there was never a button for Desmond to push so flight 815 doesn’t crash–which is why the island wanted them all back in the first place: unless they’re all on the island, it can’t be rebooted (Michael’s body might be close enough for the reboot’s area of effect). Of course that screws a lot of people, but this is Jack and he doesn’t care. Plus, it matches with Daniel’s stunning/stupid revelation that “What happened, happened. Unless TROO LUV intervenes.” ---
**Author:** ![TooSchoolforCool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tooschoolforcool/32/19621_2.png) [@TooSchoolforCool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TooSchoolforCool)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2009, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-15-follow-the-leader/495571/9 "2009-05-06T21:50:07Z")
I’m not spoiling anything by saying that there’s a hilarious little Hurley-being sheepish sequence tonight (saw it in one of the officially released sneak peaks). Watch for it. > [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > I predict that the bomb will \*become \*the failsafe system. Be pretty hard to explain the survival of Desmond, Locke, Charlie, and Eko at that point though. Since when do nukes IMPLODE? > [@Fenris](#): > > Plus, it matches with Daniel’s stunning/stupid revelation that “What happened, happened. Unless TROO LUV intervenes.” I think the theory discussed by the producers of the show was that little things always get course corrected back (a person avoids dying for a day, but dies some other way later), but Daniel’s theory was that HUGE changes could not be course corrected: blow up the island, and there’s no possible way for the universe to “course correct” to bring back the swan. Of course, it might just as easily be that the universe doesn’t allow big changes in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![I\_Am\_The\_Lorax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19adc/32.png) [@I\_Am\_The\_Lorax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Am_The_Lorax)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2009, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-15-follow-the-leader/495571/10 "2009-05-06T23:50:02Z")
I want to know what’s up with Claire! We haven’t seen her since she was in Jacob’s cabin with Christian. Although if we get a Richard Alpert flashback/forward, that’d be cool, too. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-15-follow-the-leader/495571/11 "2009-05-07T01:17:46Z")
Eloise, about Jack: “Does he know what he’s talking about?” Kate: “He thinks he does…” Hahaha – nice. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-15-follow-the-leader/495571/12 "2009-05-07T01:24:45Z")
Chang: “Who’s the President of the United States?” Hurley: “Alright dude, we’re from the future…” BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-15-follow-the-leader/495571/13 "2009-05-07T01:29:10Z")
Cool – full circle. Locke sent Richard over to pull the bullet out of Locke. Sweet. And he looks so smug about it now. ---
**Author:** ![Alias](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a88e4f/32.png) [@Alias](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alias)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-15-follow-the-leader/495571/14 "2009-05-07T01:31:54Z")
> [@Monstre](#): > > Chang: “Who’s the President of the United States?” > Hurley: “Alright dude, we’re from the future…” > > BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! That was one of the best Hurley moments I’ve ever seen on this show. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-15-follow-the-leader/495571/15 "2009-05-07T01:38:54Z")
Sayid to the rescue! > [@Alias](#): > > That was one of the best Hurley moments I’ve ever seen on this show. Agreed. Especially considering that this was the question Hurley was worried about when they first joined the Dharma folks. (AND that it’s something that a person from the future ought to know, of course). ---
**Author:** ![Alias](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a88e4f/32.png) [@Alias](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alias)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-15-follow-the-leader/495571/16 "2009-05-07T01:39:14Z")
Dammit! I really thought Kate was a goner. I was so happy for a second. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-15-follow-the-leader/495571/17 "2009-05-07T01:52:45Z")
Well, sinister little statement by Richard… “I’m starting to think John Locke is going to be trouble.” ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-15-follow-the-leader/495571/18 "2009-05-07T01:58:29Z")
Okay, earlier Richard said (about our Losties in the past): “Yeah, I met them back 30 years ago. And I watched them die”. My guess: He watched them somehow be involved in “The Incident”, and he thought that they died in the energy release – but actually, that energy incident will be the catalyst that zaps them back to the future. He will have assumed they died – but there will be no bodies, because they will have disappeared. * * * Well, I guess Kate’s giving up on her plan to find Claire… ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-15-follow-the-leader/495571/19 "2009-05-07T02:03:57Z")
Another prediction: Next week in the finale, I suspect that the “What’s in the shadow of the statue” group (Ilana’s people) are going to attack John’s little pigrimage. * * * Hmmm… so Locke doesn’t like Jacob’s style of leadership, and he’s going to stage a coup? ---
**Author:** ![Mehitabel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8797f3/32.png) [@Mehitabel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mehitabel)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-15-follow-the-leader/495571/20 "2009-05-07T02:07:54Z")
To paraphrase Frank “Sully” Lapidus, that sub ain’t going to Fiji, is it? [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-15-follow-the-leader/495571.md?page=2)