# Lost 5.15 "Follow The Leader" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 6, 2009, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-15-follow-the-leader/495571 "2009-05-06T18:38:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-15-follow-the-leader/495571/41 "2009-05-07T13:51:48Z")
> [@Baracus](#): > > The same one that ok’d that horrible CGI of the sub leaving the island? That was the cartooniest cartoon sub I’ve ever seen. FAIL! ---
**Author:** ![Trion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ccd318/32.png) [@Trion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trion)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-15-follow-the-leader/495571/42 "2009-05-07T13:54:36Z")
> [@randwill](#): > > Didn’t someone say that the bomb was under the Dharma village? But they swam through the underwater tunnel and walked through a short tunnel that was lit with the blue and green gels and there was the bomb. > > Shades of “Beneath the Planet of the Apes”. Just you wait until the Sleestak show up. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-15-follow-the-leader/495571/43 "2009-05-07T14:03:26Z")
Oh, and maybe it’s the glory of my HD set, but holy hell did that sub look terrible. (notes that everyone else has commented on it, but nobody did last night) I’m so going back in time and making sure I mention the sub first. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-15-follow-the-leader/495571/44 "2009-05-07T14:09:13Z")
> [@ZipperJJ](#): > > That was the cartooniest cartoon sub I’ve ever seen. FAIL! After seeing the sub I found myself wondering how Captian Nemo managed to get hired by the Dhamra people to cart them back and forth. ---
**Author:** ![Wheelz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wheelz/32/5718_2.png) [@Wheelz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wheelz)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-15-follow-the-leader/495571/45 "2009-05-07T14:33:16Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > Eloise looks really good in a wet, low-cut shirt. Yes. Admittedly superficial comment to follow: The years have not treated her well. ---
**Author:** ![J-P\_L](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/j-p_l/32/3156_2.png) [@J-P\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/J-P_L)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-15-follow-the-leader/495571/46 "2009-05-07T14:33:52Z")
I have one idea I would like to throw out there, I don’t know how much sense it’s makes, if any. Remember at the time that Desmond and whoever before him were in the hatch, they were under the impression that they could not go outside without wearing some kind of hazmat suit because the environment is toxic. My idea is this: what if Jack and company do set off the bomb, but somehow, it fails to destroy whatever is causing the event. Now the island is radioactive and someone must press a button to prevent a reoccurrence of said event. And we all know the rest. Any opinions? ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-15-follow-the-leader/495571/47 "2009-05-07T14:37:07Z")
> [@J-P\_L](#): > > I have one idea I would like to throw out there, I don’t know how much sense it’s makes, if any. > > Remember at the time that Desmond and whoever before him were in the hatch, they were under the impression that they could not go outside without wearing some kind of hazmat suit because the environment is toxic. > > My idea is this: what if Jack and company do set off the bomb, but somehow, it fails to destroy whatever is causing the event. > > Now the island is radioactive and someone must press a button to prevent a reoccurrence of said event. And we all know the rest. > > Any opinions? A couple flaws. First, the “issue” with the island was supposed to be biological. That’s why Desmond was shooting himself up with…whatever it was. Second, they found out that the suits weren’t really necessary anyways. As evidenced by Kelvin walking around with a torn one. I think we’re going to end up with Orgone or something, assuming it’s anything. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![well\_he\_s\_back](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/3ab097/32.png) [@well\_he\_s\_back](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/well_he_s_back)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-15-follow-the-leader/495571/48 "2009-05-07T15:04:55Z")
Orgone? What’s that? ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-15-follow-the-leader/495571/49 "2009-05-07T15:21:13Z")
Nice to see another member of the Brotherhood cast in last night’s episode. The woman that plays older Eloise Hawking plays Rose on the series and the Dharma guy that loaded everyone into the sub plays Freddy the mob boss on Brotherhood. ---
**Author:** ![Birdmonster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/71e660/32.png) [@Birdmonster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Birdmonster)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-15-follow-the-leader/495571/50 "2009-05-07T15:49:48Z")
> [@Trion](#): > > Ha! My wife and I enjoyed the crappy CGI submarine. No, not for any good reason. We just enjoyed it. I was having “Myst” flashbacks. ---
**Author:** ![fiddlesticks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddlesticks/32/18129_2.png) [@fiddlesticks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fiddlesticks)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-15-follow-the-leader/495571/51 "2009-05-07T15:50:32Z")
So perhaps Jacob is stuck flashing through time. The only thing we’ve heard Jacob say is “Help me” to Locke…perhaps the side effect for him is that he’s virtually immortal and isn’t happy about it… ---
**Author:** ![Birdmonster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/71e660/32.png) [@Birdmonster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Birdmonster)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-15-follow-the-leader/495571/52 "2009-05-07T16:05:00Z")
Great, great episode. This is why I love this show, even though I realize, simultaneously, this is probably why some people hate this show. First episode in a long while where Locke seemed vaguely sinister. I hope we’re not heading towards a moment where cocksure Locke is really, really wrong (see: not pushing the button) because I’m thoroughly enjoying his unkillable smugness right now. I loved when he just smiled at Ben and said “I’m not afraid of anything you can do to me anymore, Ben.” I literally cheered. His timing on the bullet removal, however, leads me to believe he’s tuned into _something_. Whether that’s a good force or a bad one remains to be seen. So: next week’s an two hour episode? I always get wary when they say “2 hour event” as I worry the first hour will be the producers patting themselves on the back, narrating a clip show. ---
**Author:** ![Gfactor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de053/32.png) [@Gfactor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gfactor)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-15-follow-the-leader/495571/53 "2009-05-07T16:06:33Z")
> [@Birdmonster](#): > > So: next week’s an two hour episode? I always get wary when they say “2 hour event” as I worry the first hour will be the producers patting themselves on the back, narrating a clip show. Clip show runs first. Then a two-part finale. ---
**Author:** ![FlightlessBird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/cdc98d/32.png) [@FlightlessBird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlightlessBird)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-15-follow-the-leader/495571/54 "2009-05-07T16:10:35Z")
I must’ve missed something, what’s the TROO LUV amendment to the “whatever happened, happened” law? ---
**Author:** ![Birdmonster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/71e660/32.png) [@Birdmonster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Birdmonster)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-15-follow-the-leader/495571/55 "2009-05-07T16:10:39Z")
Thanks **Gfactor**. ---
**Author:** ![Birdmonster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/71e660/32.png) [@Birdmonster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Birdmonster)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-15-follow-the-leader/495571/56 "2009-05-07T16:11:42Z")
> [@FlightlessBird](#): > > I must’ve missed something, what’s the TROO LUV amendment to the “whatever happened, happened” law? Frustrating, that’s what. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-15-follow-the-leader/495571/57 "2009-05-07T16:14:21Z")
> [@FlightlessBird](#): > > I must’ve missed something, what’s the TROO LUV amendment to the “whatever happened, happened” law? A week or two ago, just before he was shot, Daniel said something like “No! Don’t you understand? I always thought 'Whatever happened, happened” but that’s only if you don’t factor in the power of the human heart \<3 🙂 🙂 :)! Human will and love can change aaaaaany-thing." It was a cringe-worthy, eye-rolling moment, only barely made better by the fact that it’s entirely possible he’s still brain-damaged. ---
**Author:** ![phungi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/phungi/32/395_2.png) [@phungi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/phungi)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-15-follow-the-leader/495571/58 "2009-05-07T16:32:09Z")
anyone else find an odd connection between the mysterious “Jacob” and the mysterious _Management_ from the HBO series “Carnivale”? ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-15-follow-the-leader/495571/59 "2009-05-07T16:37:30Z")
FARADAY: I studied relativistic physics my entire life. One thing emerged over and over–can’t change the past. Can’t do it. Whatever happened, happened. All right? But then I finally realized… I had been spending so much time focused on the constants, I forgot about the variables. Do you know what the variables in these equations are, Jack? JACK: [Chuckles] No. FARADAY: Us. We’re the variables. People. We think. We reason. We make choices. We have free will. We can change our destiny. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-15-follow-the-leader/495571/60 "2009-05-07T16:54:57Z")
I found this well thought out theory as to the possiblity of Jacob not really existing on the [DarkUFO site](http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com). > [@](#): > > [spoiler] > Jacob isn’t real and doesn’t exist. Jacob, or rather the idea of Jacob, is very similar to Richard’s compass–the result of a time paradox. > > I have a feeling that in a week this theory will either be proved very right, or very, very wrong–no middle ground here. > > When is the first time, chronologically, that we first hear about Jacob? It’s 1954, when Locke stumbles into Richard’s camp and says that he was sent by Jacob. Before that time we have no evidence that anyone has ever heard of a “Jacob” of any kind. When Locke tells Richard about Jacob, Richard displays a look of genuine confusion (Is he confused because a strange man has wandered into camp claiming to be sent by Jacob, or is his confusion a result of having no idea what Locke’s talking about?). After Locke tells Richard about Jacob, he talks about how he’s from the future, and seconds later dissapears in front of Richard’s eyes. If Richard wasn’t a believer right then, surely he was convinced when he followed Locke’s instructions and witnessed his birth two years later in Tustin. > > If a man travelled back in time, and told you that he was sent by a man named Jacob–once you were able to verify the truth about his time travel powers, you would begin to associate this “Jacob” character as a very powerful and important man (even if you’ve never seen him or heard him) Once the news of this time-traveler Locke and his invisible benefactor Jacob began to spread throughout the camp, he would become the stuff of legends. Future leaders (Widmore, Ben) would use this myth of Jacob to exercise control over their people. > > But in season 3, when Ben takes Locke to see “Jacob”, there is no one to see, we realize that Ben really is “The Man Behind the Curtain”. What we don’t realize at that time is that Jacob only exists because Locke used his name to explain his 1954 appearance to Richard. Jacob is a lot like the compass…Locke gives the compass to Richard in 1954, but only because he received it in the future and brought it back with him. Just like Locke gains knowledge of “Jacob” in the future and brings it back to 1954–the extraordinary circumstances of his visit and dissapearance lead to the myth of a powerful and supenatural Jacob. > > Perhaps Locke’s desire to “kill” Jacob is not literal, but instead he wants to “free” his people by exposing the myth that Jacob really is. [/spoiler] I have to say… makes a lot of sense. I like it. I like it a lot. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-15-follow-the-leader/495571.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-15-follow-the-leader/495571.md?page=4)