# Lost 5.16/5.17 "The Incident" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 13, 2009, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-16-5-17-the-incident/496317 "2009-05-13T18:16:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Birdmonster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/71e660/32.png) [@Birdmonster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Birdmonster)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2009, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-16-5-17-the-incident/496317/241 "2009-05-15T16:15:30Z")
> [@Rucksinator](#): > > I thought we were talking about Locke. My bad if I was confused. I’ve never watched Deadwood. (well, once, and just didn’t get it.) Hell, maybe I was confused. I just get really excited when anybody mentions _Tombstone_, which, admittedly, is kind of sad. It’s not going to stop me though. I’m your huckleberry. ---
**Author:** ![McDeath\_the\_Mad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a3d4f5/32.png) [@McDeath\_the\_Mad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/McDeath_the_Mad)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2009, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-16-5-17-the-incident/496317/242 "2009-05-15T17:39:28Z")
So something a friend mentioned and I agree with. Back in season 2 (I think) when the losties first see the “4 Toed Statue” I’m 99% sure it was a “left foot”. Judging from the last episode the remaining foot looks like a “right foot”. So there are 2 possibilities: 1). Simple continuity error. I can buy this on 99% of the crap on TV, Lost not so much. 2). There is/was a 2nd statue on the island. Maybe Jacob lives in one, and “Easu” lives beneath the “Other”? MtM ---
**Author:** ![tds1273](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/df705f/32.png) [@tds1273](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tds1273)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2009, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-16-5-17-the-incident/496317/243 "2009-05-15T17:53:09Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Anyone else reminded of the ending of the new Battlestar Galactica? Never seen BSG, but I do remember picking up a TP&NG’s \*Good Omens \* vibe(especially now) or even expecting to see Sawyer or someone reading the book a while back. I’ll have to dig up my post to see what episode it was that sparked it. ---
**Author:** ![tds1273](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/df705f/32.png) [@tds1273](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tds1273)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2009, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-16-5-17-the-incident/496317/244 "2009-05-15T18:15:01Z")
> [@UncleRojelio](#): > > I got the impression that the others didn’t venture into the caves very often. In this case leaving the bomb there is effectively the same as burying it. It is still far enough away and shielded enough to be safe to the islands inhabitants. > . Except they put it right on top of a fresh water supply; I still don’t understand that logic. Speaking of the water, this is only a minor irk, but how did the journal not get wet/ruined when they swam in there? And did I miss something or was the only thing separating the Dharma barrack from the ancient temple/tunnel housing a secret, hidden, hydrogen bomb, merely a (fairly newish looking) cinderblock wall? Are we to believe that Dharma(excluding Ben) really didn’t know what was on the other side of that wall or had some sort of arrangement been struck that we don’t know about? Finally, we still don’t know where Miles got his psychic powers from. Sure adult-Miles was on the island during the incident(or at least the blast), but child-Miles was already safely off to the mainland. Could it have just been a matter of child-Miles seeing adult-Miles? Did he do that even? IIRC, they had no direct contact that we saw of. ---
**Author:** ![borschevsky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/97f17d/32.png) [@borschevsky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/borschevsky)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2009, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-16-5-17-the-incident/496317/245 "2009-05-15T18:34:27Z")
> [@McDeath\_the\_Mad](#): > > Back in season 2 (I think) when the losties first see the “4 Toed Statue” I’m 99% sure it was a “left foot”. > > Judging from the last episode the remaining foot looks like a “right foot”. In season 2 it was a left foot, but I think it was also the left foot in this episode. [Season 2 foot](http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/File:Footboat.jpg) [Season 5 foot](http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/Sgwo-rSm4rI/AAAAAAAAuq0/0lMUMCHUwPA/s1600-h/232a3cbd107a0905f86eb2aa43535f1e.jpg) [Full statue](http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/File:Fourtoedreconstructed.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2009, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-16-5-17-the-incident/496317/246 "2009-05-15T18:38:00Z")
> [@tds1273](#): > > Except they put it right on top of a fresh water supply; I still don’t understand that logic. Speaking of the water, this is only a minor irk, but how did the journal not get wet/ruined when they swam in there? What, you missed all of the seal-trapping-and-skinning scenes? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Alias](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a88e4f/32.png) [@Alias](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alias)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2009, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-16-5-17-the-incident/496317/247 "2009-05-15T18:42:16Z")
> [@McDeath\_the\_Mad](#): > > So something a friend mentioned and I agree with. > > Back in season 2 (I think) when the losties first see the “4 Toed Statue” I’m 99% sure it was a “left foot”. > > Judging from the last episode the remaining foot looks like a “right foot”. > > So there are 2 possibilities: > > 1). Simple continuity error. I can buy this on 99% of the crap on TV, Lost not so much. > 2). There is/was a 2nd statue on the island. > > Maybe Jacob lives in one, and “Easu” lives beneath the “Other”? > > MtM I think there are two statues too. Check out the legs in [this picture](http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/File:Fourtoedreconstructed.jpg) compared to the legs in [this one.](http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/File:5x08_Statue.png) That seems like a pretty big inconsistency for Lost writers. ---
**Author:** ![Birdmonster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/71e660/32.png) [@Birdmonster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Birdmonster)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2009, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-16-5-17-the-incident/496317/248 "2009-05-15T18:54:51Z")
> [@Alias](#): > > I think there are two statues too. Check out the legs in [this picture](http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/File:Fourtoedreconstructed.jpg) compared to the legs in [this one.](http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/File:5x08_Statue.png) > > That seems like a pretty big inconsistency for Lost writers. Am I missing something? They look pretty identical to me. Do tell. ---
**Author:** ![mshar253](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/6de8d8/32.png) [@mshar253](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mshar253)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2009, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-16-5-17-the-incident/496317/249 "2009-05-15T18:59:07Z")
> [@Birdmonster](#): > > Am I missing something? They look pretty identical to me. Do tell. The legs look close together in the one photo, and spread (there’s a visible gap) in the other picture. I really doubt that there are two statues, though – I am chalking it up to a production error. ---
**Author:** ![Bearflag70](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Bearflag70](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bearflag70)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2009, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-16-5-17-the-incident/496317/250 "2009-05-15T19:03:38Z")
> [@Birdmonster](#): > > Am I missing something? They look pretty identical to me. Do tell. The legs in one picture are pretty much parallel and together with the left foot slightly forward, while the legs in the other appear to be more askew and apart, with the right foot forward. Also, if you zoom in on the skirts or loincloths or whatever they are, one statue’s skirt has a subtle arc line in it, swooping from the upper right to the lower left, while in the other picture, that arc swoops from upper left to lower right. ---
**Author:** ![tds1273](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/df705f/32.png) [@tds1273](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tds1273)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2009, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-16-5-17-the-incident/496317/251 "2009-05-15T19:12:57Z")
> [@mshar253](#): > > The legs look close together in the one photo, and spread (there’s a visible gap) in the other picture. > > I really doubt that there are two statues, though – I am chalking it up to a production error. That looks like it might just be a matter of the viewing angle. The difference I noticed was the darker, diagonal line that cuts across the skirt(?). In the close up it goes from NW to SE, but in the distant shot it is reversed and goes SW to NE. I still expect that is just a production mistake. ETA: Or what **Bearflag70** just said. Looking at the Lostpedia pictures, I just can’t figure out where another foot(which ever one) would even go. ---
**Author:** ![Alias](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a88e4f/32.png) [@Alias](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alias)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2009, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-16-5-17-the-incident/496317/252 "2009-05-15T19:38:27Z")
> [@tds1273](#): > > That looks like it might just be a matter of the viewing angle. The difference I noticed was the darker, diagonal line that cuts across the skirt(?). In the close up it goes from NW to SE, but in the distant shot it is reversed and goes SW to NE. I still expect that is just a production mistake. ETA: Or what **Bearflag70** just said. > Looking at the Lostpedia pictures, I just can’t figure out where another foot(which ever one) would even go. I don’t think it’s the viewing angle. The feet are touching in one of the pictures, and the legs are spread further apart in the other. The only way the feet can be touching and the legs apart is if the statue is doing some kind of plié. ---
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2009, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-16-5-17-the-incident/496317/253 "2009-05-15T21:01:01Z")
Am I the only one who noticed the toy airplane that child-Kate’s boyfriend was holding? Kind of surprising there was no horse in the scene. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2009, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-16-5-17-the-incident/496317/254 "2009-05-15T21:39:15Z")
> [@cmkeller](#): > > Kind of surprising there was no horse in the scene. Of course, if not for that horse, Kate never would have spent that year in college. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2009, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-16-5-17-the-incident/496317/255 "2009-05-15T21:56:33Z")
> [@tds1273](#): > > And did I miss something or was the only thing separating the Dharma barrack from the ancient temple/tunnel housing a secret, hidden, hydrogen bomb, merely a (fairly newish looking) cinderblock wall? Are we to believe that Dharma(excluding Ben) really didn’t know what was on the other side of that wall or had some sort of arrangement been struck that we don’t know about? There was a crib in one of the rooms, so it was probably Horace’s house. I imagine the wall was built as part of the truce. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2009, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-16-5-17-the-incident/496317/256 "2009-05-16T05:21:01Z")
Ok, I’ve watched the finale twice and slogged through all 6 pages of the thread. - I am in the 2 statues camp. There are too many details out of sync. The legs. The loincloth/skirt weaving pattern. No way they would’ve been sloppy on such details, imho. - It would be obvious what Ilana & Co were carrying if they were walking around with a coffin. Or, the coffin could have been damaged in the crash. - As others have already alluded, in hindsight I think there very well could be Dr. Locke/Mr. Esau mechanic that has been plaguing dear Locke through the various seasons of the show. Mood swings, sudden spikes of crazy creepy confidence, occasional hunger for fresh boar. But I’m also now so distrustful of who the “real” Locke is and when we’ve seen him in action, that I’m inclined to keep two other possibilities in mind for now. The first, that Locke has been body-hijacked by both Jacob and Esau on and off with various periods of just being himself. The second, that prior to returning to the island in a coffin, that Locke has just been himself and that he just happened to manifest certain characteristics of both Esau and Jacob, like killing the first boar vs rather tenderly teaching Walt to play board games. I had more observations but that is all I can remember right now. Mrs. WeHaveCookies and I are going to purchase any of the previous seasons that we don’t already own and try and stretch a whole re-watch out until January. ---
**Author:** ![BrianJ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/54ee81/32.png) [@BrianJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrianJ)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2009, 11:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-16-5-17-the-incident/496317/257 "2009-05-16T11:11:28Z")
> [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > Ok, I’ve watched the finale twice and slogged through all 6 pages of the thread. > > - I am in the 2 statues camp. There are too many details out of sync. The legs. The loincloth/skirt weaving pattern. No way they would’ve been sloppy on such details, imho. > > - It would be obvious what Ilana & Co were carrying if they were walking around with a coffin. Or, the coffin could have been damaged in the crash. > > - As others have already alluded, in hindsight I think there very well could be Dr. Locke/Mr. Esau mechanic that has been plaguing dear Locke through the various seasons of the show. Mood swings, sudden spikes of crazy creepy confidence, occasional hunger for fresh boar. But I’m also now so distrustful of who the “real” Locke is and when we’ve seen him in action, that I’m inclined to keep two other possibilities in mind for now. > > The first, that Locke has been body-hijacked by both Jacob and Esau on and off with various periods of just being himself. > > The second, that prior to returning to the island in a coffin, that Locke has just been himself and that he just happened to manifest certain characteristics of both Esau and Jacob, like killing the first boar vs rather tenderly teaching Walt to play board games. > > I had more observations but that is all I can remember right now. Mrs. WeHaveCookies and I are going to purchase any of the previous seasons that we don’t already own and try and stretch a whole re-watch out until January. [![](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Tg2tB_xTt9I/hqdefault.jpg "LOST - Locke And Walt Backgammon - "Two players. Two sides. One is light one is dark"") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tg2tB_xTt9I) That’s the scene of Locke teaching Walt about backgammon. Interesting that he talks about a light and dark player. ---
**Author:** ![BrianJ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/54ee81/32.png) [@BrianJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrianJ)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2009, 11:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-16-5-17-the-incident/496317/258 "2009-05-16T11:13:22Z")
Also, when Ben was asking jacob why he never got to meet him, wouldn’t that ahve been a good time for jacob to tell Ben that he had been manipulated by ‘not locke’? ---
**Author:** ![CoolHandCox](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coolhandcox/32/16233_2.png) [@CoolHandCox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CoolHandCox)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2009, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-16-5-17-the-incident/496317/259 "2009-05-16T14:58:54Z")
Can anyone tell me what Jacob told each of the Losties when he met them in the flashbacks? Kate: “And you’ll never steal again Kate, right?” Sawyer: Gives him the pen, tells him to write the letter. Jack: “sometimes the machine just needs to be pushed a little” Sayid: held him from being killed/let the girl die. Did he say anything? Jin/Sun: ??? something about love. Locke: ??? Hurely: ??? Anyone else? I’m going off memory. I’m thinking this might grander than just advice for that flashback situation. ---
**Author:** ![TooSchoolforCool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tooschoolforcool/32/19621_2.png) [@TooSchoolforCool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TooSchoolforCool)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2009, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-16-5-17-the-incident/496317/260 "2009-05-16T15:44:39Z")
In most of the flashback scenes Jacob seems to be doing something to help the Lostees on their way… become the screwed up people they are… all except in the case of Jack. Jack, he gives a candy bar. Yeah, they showed us a scene they had referenced long ago, but we didn’t actually need to see it (aside from now learning that it was daddy who came up with the counting thing). They really couldn’t have come up with a more interesting thing for Jacob to do with Jack? Unless “sometimes the machine just needs to be pushed a little” was an amusing hatch reference… though pushing the button was more of Locke’s struggle of faith rather than Jack’s [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-16-5-17-the-incident/496317.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-16-5-17-the-incident/496317.md?page=14)