# Lost 5.16/5.17 "The Incident" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 13, 2009, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-16-5-17-the-incident/496317 "2009-05-13T18:16:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-16-5-17-the-incident/496317/61 "2009-05-14T03:06:53Z")
Vincent! Apollo candy! Probably the Black Rock! Jacob visiting people! So is NotLocke the guy we saw at the opening? I wouldn’t count Juliette out… Did Richard reply in Latin? How soon translation? Brian ---
**Author:** ![Meltdown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Meltdown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meltdown)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-16-5-17-the-incident/496317/62 "2009-05-14T03:08:13Z")
I’m getting a strong fate vs. free will vibe, with Jacob representing free will (“whatever he told you – you have a choice”). ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-16-5-17-the-incident/496317/63 "2009-05-14T03:09:32Z")
My take on tonight’s episode(s) is that yeah, Black Shirt has the ability to take on the appearance of other people, and has been impersonating Locke ever since the plane landed. For whatever reason, he is not personally allowed to kill Jacob, but he can talk someone else (i.e. Ben) into doing it. I think this also means that Black Shirt has taken on the appearance of Christian, Mr. Eko’s brother, and Ben’s daughter, when those people have appeared postmortem. Also potentially Ana-Lucia when she pulled Hurley over that one time. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-16-5-17-the-incident/496317/64 "2009-05-14T03:09:37Z")
Jacob isn’t done. Did everyone notice that every flashback (except Juliette’s) had Jacob going out of his way to make certain to touch the flashbacker? -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Meltdown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Meltdown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meltdown)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-16-5-17-the-incident/496317/65 "2009-05-14T03:10:13Z")
Which I suppose makes anti-Jacob aka notLocke aka Black Shirt (wonder which nickname will stick?) Fate. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-16-5-17-the-incident/496317/66 "2009-05-14T03:10:32Z")
Son of a - what wait ragggghhhhh. Oh Lost, how I hate you. I need some serious time to decompress after this episode. The thunderstorm crawl completely blocked the Sun/Jin flashback subtitles. Did I miss anything important? What did Jacob say to them? ---
**Author:** ![Mehitabel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8797f3/32.png) [@Mehitabel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mehitabel)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-16-5-17-the-incident/496317/67 "2009-05-14T03:11:01Z")
Oh, I took that to mean that Not!Locke had found a loophole for _himself_, finding a way to come back to the “land of the living” using Locke’s body–well, not his body–aw man, we’re gonna need every day of the next eight months to figure all this out. Poor Juliet has become Colonel Taylor, who as you’ll recall is found by the other astronaut at the end of BENEATH THE PLANET OF THE APES just in time to get shot by the mutants and use his dying strength to set off The Bomb. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-16-5-17-the-incident/496317/68 "2009-05-14T03:11:42Z")
Also, I think Black Shirt is also black smokey. Will we be seeing a white smoke monster? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Composer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/898d66/32.png) [@The\_Composer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Composer)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-16-5-17-the-incident/496317/69 "2009-05-14T03:13:43Z")
Did all of you notice the LOST background changed from black to white? ETA: I know it sort of represented the bomb…nevertheless, it was an interesting switch. ---
**Author:** ![Meltdown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Meltdown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meltdown)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-16-5-17-the-incident/496317/70 "2009-05-14T03:13:50Z")
Several threads ago, I talked about the idea that Locke, Christian, Ben’s dead daughter, and the smoke monster were all manifestations of the same thing. I’m a little more convinced of that now. I think they’re all manifestations of Anti-Jacob. You know that circle of ash around Jacob’s cabin? I think it was there to protect him from the smoke monster. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-16-5-17-the-incident/496317/71 "2009-05-14T03:16:43Z")
> [@The\_Composer](#): > > Did all of you notice the LOST background changed from black to white? > > ETA: I know it sort of represented the bomb…nevertheless, it was an interesting switch. It wouldn’t surprise me if it’s like that all of next season. Maybe the opening “Lost” too. ---
**Author:** ![Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/d9b06d/32.png) [@Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ichini_Sanshigo)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-16-5-17-the-incident/496317/72 "2009-05-14T03:17:13Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Also, I think Black Shirt is also black smokey. > > Will we be seeing a white smoke monster? Why you gotta make this about race? Also, I love how Rose and Bernard were just chillin’ in the jungle with Vincent. “Yeah, we knew you were lookin’, but we were sick of the drama.” ---
**Author:** ![Mehitabel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8797f3/32.png) [@Mehitabel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mehitabel)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-16-5-17-the-incident/496317/73 "2009-05-14T03:19:16Z")
Hmmmm…I like that idea. If Jacob really lived under a statue of Sobek, then he would have been the god fighting the smoke monster under the Temple. I would have liked more info about Richard. He kept his damn shoes on the whole show…! Was he speaking Latin or ancient Egyptian? ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-16-5-17-the-incident/496317/74 "2009-05-14T03:20:37Z")
> [@Ichini\_Sanshigo](#): > > Why you gotta make this about race? > > Also, I love how Rose and Bernard were just chillin’ in the jungle with Vincent. “Yeah, we knew you were lookin’, but we were sick of the drama.” I think that was their way of writing them out of the show. I think we’ve seen the last of them. ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-16-5-17-the-incident/496317/75 "2009-05-14T03:21:51Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > I think that was their way of writing them out of the show. I think we’ve seen the last of them. Agreed. It was a pleasant and well-done, but (in my opinion) final way of explaining where they’ve been and why we won’t be seeing them again. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Composer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/898d66/32.png) [@The\_Composer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Composer)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-16-5-17-the-incident/496317/76 "2009-05-14T03:22:27Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > I think that was their way of writing them out of the show. I think we’ve seen the last of them. I still think they might become “Adam and Eve,” as others have suggested in past threads. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-16-5-17-the-incident/496317/77 "2009-05-14T03:24:31Z")
> [@well\_he\_s\_back](#): > > Well with Juliet gone my daughter just announced she’ll never watch this show again. Well we don’t know what the bomb did. ---
**Author:** ![stpauler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@stpauler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stpauler)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-16-5-17-the-incident/496317/78 "2009-05-14T03:26:11Z")
> [@Meltdown](#): > > Which I suppose makes anti-Jacob aka notLocke aka Black Shirt (wonder which nickname will stick?) Fate. I’ll offer up [Esau.](http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Malachi%201-4) > [@](#): > > 1 An oracle: The word of the LORD to Israel through Malachi. [a] > Jacob Loved, Esau Hated > > 2 “I have loved you,” says the LORD. > "But you ask, ‘How have you loved us?’ > “Was not Esau Jacob’s brother?” the LORD says. “Yet I have loved Jacob, 3 but Esau I have hated, and I have turned his mountains into a wasteland and left his inheritance to the desert jackals.” ---
**Author:** ![Meltdown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Meltdown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meltdown)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-16-5-17-the-incident/496317/79 "2009-05-14T03:27:42Z")
> [@stpauler](#): > > I’ll offer up [Esau.](http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Malachi%201-4) Sold! ---
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-16-5-17-the-incident/496317/80 "2009-05-14T03:27:48Z")
What was Richard’s answer to what lies in the shadow of the statue? I like **MrWhatsit** s answer and am hoping it’s true 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-16-5-17-the-incident/496317.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-16-5-17-the-incident/496317.md?page=5)