# Lost 5.16/5.17 "The Incident" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 13, 2009, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-16-5-17-the-incident/496317 "2009-05-13T18:16:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-16-5-17-the-incident/496317/141 "2009-05-14T17:00:57Z")
At one point, Ben took Locke to the cabin to talk to Jacob and then pretended that Jacob spoke to him, but he had never spoken to (or seen?) Jacob. So is it possible that the cabin has nothing to do with Jacob? ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-16-5-17-the-incident/496317/142 "2009-05-14T17:06:53Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > At one point, Ben took Locke to the cabin to talk to Jacob and then pretended that Jacob spoke to him, but he had never spoken to (or seen?) Jacob. So is it possible that the cabin has nothing to do with Jacob? Maybe to a point. But remember that all sorts of weird stuff happened in the cabin - stuff that Ben had no part of. Here’s what I want to know…Richard should be fairly on the ball as far as island stuff goes. It seems strange that he’d voluntarily lead everyone to Jacob so they could kill him. Sure, he didn’t technically know the plan…but if he has been on the island for hundreds of years, and he owes Jacob for never aging, I would imagine he’d know that there’s someone out there gunning for Jacob. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-16-5-17-the-incident/496317/143 "2009-05-14T17:11:36Z")
Perhaps Esau is responsible for all the weird stuff in the cabin. Or maybe it’s the smoke monster? ---
**Author:** ![Bearflag70](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Bearflag70](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bearflag70)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-16-5-17-the-incident/496317/144 "2009-05-14T17:14:47Z")
I thought the cabin was where Esau lived and where Esau was manipulating Ben into thinking Esau was Jacob so, down the line, Esau can blame Jacob for all of Ben’s woes and convince Ben to kill the real Jacob. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Composer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/898d66/32.png) [@The\_Composer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Composer)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-16-5-17-the-incident/496317/145 "2009-05-14T17:15:37Z")
Does anyone remember who made the opening in the ash circle around the cabin? Seems I remember that occurring in a past season, but I can’t place who did it and when. ---
**Author:** ![Gfactor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de053/32.png) [@Gfactor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gfactor)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-16-5-17-the-incident/496317/146 "2009-05-14T17:20:37Z")
We didn’t see the circle being created. Locke checked it out when Ben took him to the cabin, though. ---
**Author:** ![Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/d9b06d/32.png) [@Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ichini_Sanshigo)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-16-5-17-the-incident/496317/147 "2009-05-14T17:22:27Z")
Wasn’t Locke also the one who broke the circle? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Composer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/898d66/32.png) [@The\_Composer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Composer)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-16-5-17-the-incident/496317/148 "2009-05-14T17:25:55Z")
> [@Ichini\_Sanshigo](#): > > Wasn’t Locke also the one who broke the circle? That’s what I thought. I seem to remember him looking at it, then deliberately dragging his foot through it, but I can’t say for sure. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-16-5-17-the-incident/496317/149 "2009-05-14T17:27:59Z")
> [@Gfactor](#): > > They’ve made a big deal about Hurley being “special,” although Christian appeared to Jack off-island too. Welcome…to Jack Off Island… ---
**Author:** ![crazyjoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f14d63/32.png) [@crazyjoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crazyjoe)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-16-5-17-the-incident/496317/150 "2009-05-14T17:30:37Z")
Maybe I missed something…are Kate and Juliet sisters? The other girl sitting with Juliet when she was having her flashback to her parents divorce looked a lot like the girl who played Kate…but that can’t be right… ---
**Author:** ![Trion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ccd318/32.png) [@Trion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trion)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-16-5-17-the-incident/496317/151 "2009-05-14T17:32:19Z")
> [@crazyjoe](#): > > Maybe I missed something…are Kate and Juliet sisters? The other girl sitting with Juliet when she was having her flashback to her parents divorce looked a lot like the girl who played Kate…but that can’t be right… That was her sister Rachel. She had cancer and Juliette got her pregnant, rememeber? ---
**Author:** ![Gfactor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de053/32.png) [@Gfactor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gfactor)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-16-5-17-the-incident/496317/152 "2009-05-14T17:32:40Z")
> [@The\_Composer](#): > > That’s what I thought. I seem to remember him looking at it, then deliberately dragging his foot through it, but I can’t say for sure. > [@](#): > > [In real-time, Locke and Ben trek through the jungle at night. They approach a line of what appears to be gray powder. Ben pauses and then steps over it. Locke looks at it and sniffs it] [http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/The\_Man\_Behind\_the\_Curtain\_transcript](http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/The_Man_Behind_the_Curtain_transcript) Later, when Hurley saw the cabin, there was no ring around it. ---
**Author:** ![Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/d9b06d/32.png) [@Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ichini_Sanshigo)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-16-5-17-the-incident/496317/153 "2009-05-14T17:32:48Z")
> [@Bearflag70](#): > > I thought the cabin was where Esau lived and where Esau was manipulating Ben into thinking Esau was Jacob so, down the line, Esau can blame Jacob for all of Ben’s woes and convince Ben to kill the real Jacob. That’s what I thought too. I wonder how Ben discovered the cabin though. And who built it, Horace? Or Rose and Bernard? Or maybe Horace just rebuilt what Rose and Bernard had already built. Or maybe Locke’s dream was a lie. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Composer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/898d66/32.png) [@The\_Composer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Composer)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-16-5-17-the-incident/496317/154 "2009-05-14T17:34:59Z")
> [@Gfactor](#): > > [http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/The\_Man\_Behind\_the\_Curtain\_transcript](http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/The_Man_Behind_the_Curtain_transcript) > > Later, when Hurley saw the cabin, there was no ring around it. That must be what I’m remembering…the ash sniff. Heh. ---
**Author:** ![Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eyebrows_0f_doom/32/3119_2.png) [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eyebrows_0f_Doom)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-16-5-17-the-incident/496317/155 "2009-05-14T17:35:35Z")
Was Jacob in Juliet’s flashback? Or did hers have nothing to do with that and was only included to give her a stupid reason to dump Sawyer? ---
**Author:** ![Birdmonster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/71e660/32.png) [@Birdmonster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Birdmonster)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-16-5-17-the-incident/496317/156 "2009-05-14T17:44:46Z")
I’ve been thinking about the Esau/Jacob connection ever since Ben got all biblical talking about Thomas to Jack in the church several episodes back. A few things: 1- Esau was a hunter and is often symbolized by the boar. When “Locke” returns to Richard after his death, he was carrying a boar he’d just killed. 2- The whole Jacob/Esau story is a bizarre one. Jacob steals Esau’s birthright from his father and Esau vows he will kill him (see beginning of this episode). Plus, Esau means “hairy” and Silas from Deadwood is one hirsute gentleman. Any bible lovers have a good reading on the story? It’s always struck me as ambiguous and bizarre. ---
**Author:** ![well\_he\_s\_back](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/3ab097/32.png) [@well\_he\_s\_back](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/well_he_s_back)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-16-5-17-the-incident/496317/157 "2009-05-14T17:52:58Z")
In the flashback, that was Juliet’s sister, who as an adult had cancer & fertility issues. Another reason I’m liking Kate less: Did she bother to tell Sawyer about how his daughter was doing? Probably not. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-16-5-17-the-incident/496317/158 "2009-05-14T17:54:00Z")
> [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](#): > > Was Jacob in Juliet’s flashback? Or did hers have nothing to do with that and was only included to give her a stupid reason to dump Sawyer? I’d have to go with “b”. We only saw four people in her flashback, and unless Jacob was her dad, he sure wasn’t in it. I kind of figured she’d be toast when I’d read the she was going to be in the cast of the “V” remake. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Bearflag70](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Bearflag70](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bearflag70)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-16-5-17-the-incident/496317/159 "2009-05-14T17:54:32Z")
If Esau = Smokie then what good did the ashen ring do to keep Esau stuck in the cabin? ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-16-5-17-the-incident/496317/160 "2009-05-14T17:56:41Z")
> [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](#): > > Was Jacob in Juliet’s flashback? Or did hers have nothing to do with that and was only included to give her a stupid reason to dump Sawyer? It was there to give her backstory. Jacob didn’t appear to her. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-16-5-17-the-incident/496317.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-16-5-17-the-incident/496317.md?page=9)