# Lost 5.3 "Jughead"
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-3-jughead/483415
**Category:** Cafe Society
**Created:** [January 28, 2009, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-3-jughead/483415 "2009-01-28T19:04:32Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
**Page:** 1
### Author:  [@Gfactor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gfactor)
#### Post date: [January 28, 2009, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-3-jughead/483415/1 "2009-01-28T19:04:32Z")
Note: I’ve shamelessly copied this thread starter post from one of **John Mace** ’s from last season. I have not checked the links or even read it carefully. Fortunately, my moderator powers include the power to move back in time and edit this post. If anyone finds errors or omissions, let me know.
Thread rules:
> [@](#):
>
> Information about all episodes aired to this point – including the current week – will be unboxed.
> Information about this week’s episode’s “next week” teasers will be unboxed.
> Information about future episodes taken from spoiler sites/inside sources, including Podcasts, will be boxed. This includes links to promo photos and screencaps from future episodes.
> Speculation based on events in episodes aired up to this point (including teasers) will be unboxed.
> Speculation based on spoilers for upcoming episodes will be boxed.
>
> Please remember, links inside spoiler boxes are readable even to those who don’t highlight.
The producers have said they are picking up the narrative pace and answering questions now.
From the [ABC Press Release](http://abcmedianet.com/assets/pr%5Chtml/011209_07.html): Desmond goes in search of a woman who could be the key to helping Faraday stop the island’s erratic movements through time, and Locke discovers the identity of the unknown forces who have been attacking the survivors
**Some useful Café Society links are given below:**
Thread index for Season 1 Episodes: [1](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=277083) [2](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=278382) [3](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=279542) [4](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=280792) [5](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=281998) [6](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=283328) [7](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=284665) [8](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=285925) [9](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=287237) [10](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=289514) [11](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=290718) [12](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=295320) [13](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=296591) [14](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=297760) [15](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=301602) [16](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=302710) [17](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=303909) [18](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=304986) [19](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=309511) [20](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=310613) [21](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=315048) [22](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=316088) [23](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=317139) [24](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=318051)
Thread index for Season 2 Episodes: [1](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=335991) [2](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=337167) [3](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=338307) [4](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=339366) [5](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=340432) [6](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=343878) [7](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=345144) [8](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=346239) [9](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=347177) [10](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=353542) [11](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=354691) [12](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=355716) [13](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=357834) [14](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=359015) [15](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=361048) [16](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=363982) [17](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=365010) [18](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=366081) [19](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=367064) [20](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=370033) [21](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=371010) [22](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=371991)
Thread index for Season 3 episodes: [1](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=390771) [2](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=391722) [3](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=392661) [4](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=393629) [5](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=394542) [6](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=395368) [7](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=407398) [8](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=408446) [9](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=409378) [10](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=410362) [11](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=411321) [12](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=412292) [13](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=413323) [14](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=414347) [15](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=415259) [16](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=416195) [17](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=417197) [18](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=418222) [19](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=419145) [20](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=420116) [21](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=421113) [22](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=421996)
Thread index for Season 4 episodes: [1](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=453462) [2](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=454618) [3](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=455630) [4](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=456811) [5](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=457801) [6](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=458668) [7](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=459619) [8](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=460501) [9](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=465277) [10](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=466249) [11](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=467236) [12](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=468178)
Thread index for Season 5 episodes [1-2](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=502879)
[The Official Lost Jargon Thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=286221)
Official “Lost” Questions Thread[Season 1](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=284542), [Season 2](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=336040), [Season 3](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=390739)
**Here are some interesting external links:**
[The Tail Section](http://www.thetailsection.com/): Excellent site for still frame photos of key scenes, along with some good analysis. But… beware of spoilers!
[Sledgeweb’s Lost… Stuff](http://lost.cubit.net/): Pretty good site, but again beware of spoilers. I use it mainly for the Timeline section, which is an incredibly detailed breakdown of “how long since…?” for almost anything you can think of (pre- and post-plane crash).
[Door Map from Episode 2.17](http://www.thetailsection.com/uploaded_images/cleanwall-707484.jpg). A nicely cleaned up version of the diagram Locke saw while pinned under the lockdown doors. No spoilers.
[Lostpedia](http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page): The wikipedia of Lost information. Quite a comprehensive site, no longer includes spoilers.
[ThEmIsFiTiShErE](http://themisfitishere.blogspot.com/): The Misfit offers his whacky commentary on “Lost”. Is he a nut-case or a clever insider? Careful, though, possible spoilers.
---
### Author:  [@Trion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trion)
#### Post date: [January 28, 2009, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-3-jughead/483415/2 "2009-01-28T19:44:46Z")
When are the island folk? Who are those people who grabbed Juliette and Sawyer? How is Ben gonna get Hugo out of jail? Betty or Veronica?
And … What about Naomi?
Oh, wait. She’s dead. Never mind.
---
### Author:  [@emmaliminal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emmaliminal)
#### Post date: [January 28, 2009, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-3-jughead/483415/3 "2009-01-28T20:11:54Z")
> [@Gfactor](#):
>
> [The Lost Report](http://hometown.aol.com/qcotms/myhomepage/index.html): A very well written summary of the most current episode often containing interesting insights. I don’t think you’ll find spoilers.
Appears to be a dead linky. ☹
---
### Author:  [@Gfactor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gfactor)
#### Post date: [January 28, 2009, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-3-jughead/483415/4 "2009-01-28T20:19:20Z")
> [@emilyforce](#):
>
> Appears to be a dead linky. ☹
Thanks. I cut it. Next time we meet, I won’t know you.
---
### Author:  [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)
#### Post date: [January 28, 2009, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-3-jughead/483415/5 "2009-01-28T20:26:33Z")
Is it Wednesday already? I’m stoked about tonight’s episode.
---
### Author:  [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)
#### Post date: [January 28, 2009, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-3-jughead/483415/6 "2009-01-28T23:40:04Z")
Herc from AICN has some info. Spoilers, especialy in the inviso-text™
> **['After What He Did To That Poor Girl??' Herc Deems Wednesday's LOST One Of...](http://legacy.aintitcool.com/node/39919)**
>
> I am - Hercules!! ABC says of tonight's riveting, do-not-miss third hour of “Lost's" fifth season, written by Elizabeth Sarnoff & Paul Zbyszewski and titled “Jughead": Desmond goes in search of a woman who could be the key to...
Brian
---
### Author:  [@Gfactor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gfactor)
#### Post date: [January 29, 2009, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-3-jughead/483415/7 "2009-01-29T00:40:47Z")
> [@N9IWP](#):
>
> Herc from AICN has some info. Spoilers, especialy in the inviso-text™
>
> ['After What He Did To That Poor Girl??' Herc Deems Wednesday's LOST One Of The Best Ever!!](http://www.aintitcool.com/node/39919)
>
> Brian
Interesting. 😉
---
### Author:  [@mshar253](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mshar253)
#### Post date: [January 29, 2009, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-3-jughead/483415/8 "2009-01-29T02:10:00Z")
If the first eight minutes or so are any indication, this one should be very promising.
---
### Author:  [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)
#### Post date: [January 29, 2009, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-3-jughead/483415/9 "2009-01-29T02:18:35Z")
I have absolutely no idea what’s going on…and I love it!
---
### Author:  [@well\_he\_s\_back](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/well_he_s_back)
#### Post date: [January 29, 2009, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-3-jughead/483415/10 "2009-01-29T02:26:39Z")
No, no! don’t separate Des and Penny!!!
Maybe all these children are the key to whole mystery.
I’m loving this episode.
---
### Author:  [@Gfactor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gfactor)
#### Post date: [January 29, 2009, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-3-jughead/483415/11 "2009-01-29T02:27:20Z")
Others 101!
---
### Author:  [@well\_he\_s\_back](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/well_he_s_back)
#### Post date: [January 29, 2009, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-3-jughead/483415/12 "2009-01-29T02:38:46Z")
Let’s go rescue the geek!
---
### Author:  [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)
#### Post date: [January 29, 2009, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-3-jughead/483415/13 "2009-01-29T02:56:38Z")
Whoa, now there was a good reveal. Charles Widmore, former member of the Other Youth!
And if Faraday’s mom is in LA, then it’s looking more likely that folks’ guesses about his mom are correct – that she’s the Time Lord Jewelry Vendor we saw back in a previous Desmond flashback/jump-around episode (season 3), and last week working with Ben.
---
### Author:  [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)
#### Post date: [January 29, 2009, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-3-jughead/483415/14 "2009-01-29T03:05:10Z")
Well, I’d guess that the reason Widmore is nervous is that he certainly doesn’t want Desmond to take Penny **with** him in his search for Faraday’s mother – because he knows she’s working with Ben now. And of course, Ben has sworn to kill Widmore’s daughter (in revenge for Alex).
And now, that’s exactly where Penny is headed – with Desmond to L.A. Better hope Ben’s not around when they get there.
---
### Author:  [@mshar253](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mshar253)
#### Post date: [January 29, 2009, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-3-jughead/483415/15 "2009-01-29T03:05:34Z")
So… yeah. I’m still completely puzzled, as I’m sure most are, but it was a very entertaining episode. It seems more and more like the key to a good episode of Lost is a lot of Desmond.
The Charles Widmore thing was really cool and unexpected. I initially thought that the conflict between him and Ben could be a childhood rivalry between the two, in which they compete to be heir to The Other’s throne. That doesn’t make much sense, though, since Widmore looks like he’s 20 there, and it’s two years before Locke was born–I don’t think they’ve ever revealed Ben’s age, but I’d imagine he’s at least ten years younger than Locke, which would make him about 30 years younger than Widmore.
Who knows? It’s too much to process right now. Still, good episode, and I’m looking forward to what others (I’ll clarify: other _Dopers_) thought about it.
---
### Author:  [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)
#### Post date: [January 29, 2009, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-3-jughead/483415/16 "2009-01-29T03:08:16Z")
Ten bucks says the other chick who took Daniel to the bomb is his mother/the time lady.
---
### Author:  [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)
#### Post date: [January 29, 2009, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-3-jughead/483415/17 "2009-01-29T03:09:30Z")
> [@mshar253](#):
>
> So… yeah. I’m still completely puzzled, as I’m sure most are, but it was a very entertaining episode. It seems more and more like the key to a good episode of Lost is a lot of Desmond.
>
> The Charles Widmore thing was really cool and unexpected. I initially thought that the conflict between him and Ben could be a childhood rivalry between the two, in which they compete to be heir to The Other’s throne. That doesn’t make much sense, though, since Widmore looks like he’s 20 there, and it’s two years before Locke was born–I don’t think they’ve ever revealed Ben’s age, but I’d imagine he’s at least ten years younger than Locke, which would make him about 30 years younger than Widmore.
>
> Who knows? It’s too much to process right now. Still, good episode, and I’m looking forward to what others (I’ll clarify: other _Dopers_) thought about it.
Well, Ben didn’t show up until DHARMA arrived, which was about 20ish years later.
---
### Author:  [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)
#### Post date: [January 29, 2009, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-3-jughead/483415/18 "2009-01-29T03:13:16Z")
Also, is anyone having a problem where the video keeps speeding up and slowing down for a second or two at a time? The sound is staying the same. It’s only happening during LOST, but I can’t tell is it’s my station or everyone’s.
---
### Author:  [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)
#### Post date: [January 29, 2009, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-3-jughead/483415/19 "2009-01-29T03:14:18Z")
So who was the woman Desmond visited? I missed it.
Glad we have an Island / Widmore connection now. Course it opens up questions like why did he leave.
Any siginificance that Charlotte is a feminine form of “Charles”?
Brian
---
### Author:  [@bouv](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bouv)
#### Post date: [January 29, 2009, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-3-jughead/483415/20 "2009-01-29T03:14:21Z")
Best part of the episode is when we found out Desmond’s baby’s name is Charlie.
Awww…
[Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-3-jughead/483415.md?page=2)