# Lost 5.3 "Jughead" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 28, 2009, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-3-jughead/483415 "2009-01-28T19:04:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![well\_he\_s\_back](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/3ab097/32.png) [@well\_he\_s\_back](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/well_he_s_back)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-3-jughead/483415/21 "2009-01-29T03:20:42Z")
Widmore, former Other Youth, indeed! and was Desmond & Penny’s son named Charlie? after “not Penny’s boat” Charley & not after her poppa, I assume. ---
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-3-jughead/483415/22 "2009-01-29T03:21:46Z")
> [@N9IWP](#): > > So who was the woman Desmond visited? I missed it. Yeah me too. I seem to be falling asleep after a half hour of each episode. I suck :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Drum\_God](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drum_god/32/44_2.png) [@Drum\_God](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drum_God)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-3-jughead/483415/23 "2009-01-29T03:23:44Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Also, is anyone having a problem where the video keeps speeding up and slowing down for a second or two at a time? The sound is staying the same. It’s only happening during LOST, but I can’t tell is it’s my station or everyone’s. We got some slight pixilation a couple of times. I am watching the Austin ABC affiliate (KVUE) via DirecTV. What an awesome episode! ---
**Author:** ![mshar253](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/6de8d8/32.png) [@mshar253](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mshar253)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-3-jughead/483415/24 "2009-01-29T03:29:02Z")
I don’t know if this was common sense to everyone else, but, thinking about it a little more, this episode kind of explains last year’s episode, “Cabin Fever,” in which Richard goes to see a little boy Locke. Locke hadn’t been born yet, as he said, so Richard’s curiosity must have been piqued, he went to see him, and he must have wanted to know if John would have the “power” to know that he was supposed to take the compass as that young age. Also, Richard must have originally given the compass to Locke (right after he had been shot by Ethan) because Richard knew he _had_ to give him the compass, so Locke could give the compass back to Richard before his birth. Did that make your head hurt as much as it did mine, typing it? ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-3-jughead/483415/25 "2009-01-29T03:29:31Z")
> [@N9IWP](#): > > So who was the woman Desmond visited? I missed it. She was a woman that Daniel experimented on before coming to the island. For the brief moment we see her, it seems that her mind is traveling through time. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-3-jughead/483415/26 "2009-01-29T03:34:44Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > She was a woman that Daniel experimented on before coming to the island. For the brief moment we see her, it seems that her mind is traveling through time. But is she that girl that marched Faraday out to the bomb? Is that one of her time travel destinations? ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-3-jughead/483415/27 "2009-01-29T03:36:57Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > But is she that girl that marched Faraday out to the bomb? Is that one of her time travel destinations? I don’t think so. I think her mind is just moving, just like Desmond’s did on the way out to the frieghter. Her sister claimed that at one point she thought she was 3. ---
**Author:** ![well\_he\_s\_back](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/3ab097/32.png) [@well\_he\_s\_back](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/well_he_s_back)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-3-jughead/483415/28 "2009-01-29T03:40:20Z")
I tried to pay attention but I’m at a total loss as to what the title of the episode means. ---
**Author:** ![Gfactor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de053/32.png) [@Gfactor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gfactor)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-3-jughead/483415/29 "2009-01-29T03:41:35Z")
> [@well\_he\_s\_back](#): > > I tried to pay attention but I’m at a total loss as to what the title of the episode means. It’s the name painted on the bomb, which they apparently bury in what is to become the hatch. ---
**Author:** ![rainy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c2a13f/32.png) [@rainy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rainy)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-3-jughead/483415/30 "2009-01-29T03:41:36Z")
Am I correct that Locke gave Richard the compass before the last time shift? So now Locke has neither the info on how to leave, nor the compass to try and convince Richard next time they meet. ---
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-3-jughead/483415/31 "2009-01-29T03:42:11Z")
> [@Gfactor](#): > > It’s the name painted on the bomb, which they apparently bury in what is to become the hatch. Is it the hatch or is it the Pearl/power station? ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-3-jughead/483415/32 "2009-01-29T03:43:46Z")
> [@rainy](#): > > Am I correct that Locke gave Richard the compass before the last time shift? So now Locke has neither the info on how to leave, nor the compass to try and convince Richard next time they meet. Yeah, but now Richard knows who he is. Richard will remember him as long as it’s not before the 50s. ---
**Author:** ![Gfactor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de053/32.png) [@Gfactor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gfactor)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-3-jughead/483415/33 "2009-01-29T03:44:17Z")
> [@ZipperJJ](#): > > Is it the hatch or is it the Pearl/power station? Could be either I suppose. But remember what Sayid said when he was checking out the hatch? He said the only other place he’d seen an enclosure like that was Chernobyl. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-3-jughead/483415/34 "2009-01-29T03:44:51Z")
> [@ZipperJJ](#): > > Is it the hatch or is it the Pearl/power station? I think it was the hatch. Something was buried in cement, and Sayid said that it reminded him of Chernobyl. ---
**Author:** ![rainy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c2a13f/32.png) [@rainy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rainy)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-3-jughead/483415/35 "2009-01-29T03:46:57Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Yeah, but now Richard knows who he is. Richard will remember him as long as it’s not before the 50s. Oh, good point. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-3-jughead/483415/36 "2009-01-29T03:53:04Z")
Okay, so Locke has the compass because Richard gave it to him. Richard has the compass because Locke gave it to him. So where did the compass come from in the first place? ---
**Author:** ![mshar253](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/6de8d8/32.png) [@mshar253](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mshar253)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-3-jughead/483415/37 "2009-01-29T03:54:31Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Okay, so Locke has the compass because Richard gave it to him. Richard has the compass because Locke gave it to him. > > So where did the compass come from in the first place? One of the hatches was a compass manufacturing station. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![fiddlesticks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddlesticks/32/18129_2.png) [@fiddlesticks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fiddlesticks)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-3-jughead/483415/38 "2009-01-29T04:12:53Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Okay, so Locke has the compass because Richard gave it to him. Richard has the compass because Locke gave it to him. > > So where did the compass come from in the first place? The _Black Rock_ perhaps? ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-3-jughead/483415/39 "2009-01-29T04:15:46Z")
Well, not so much where, but how? Richard only has the compass because Locke gave it to him, and Locke could only give it to him because Richard gave it to him because he got it from Locke because… my head hurts. It came from nowhere! Unless Richard loses the compass at some point and ends up getting the same compass from somewhere else. ---
**Author:** ![mshar253](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/6de8d8/32.png) [@mshar253](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mshar253)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-3-jughead/483415/40 "2009-01-29T04:19:02Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Well, not so much where, but how? Richard only has the compass because Locke gave it to him, and Locke could only give it to him because Richard gave it to him because he got it from Locke because… my head hurts. It came from nowhere! > > Unless Richard loses the compass at some point and ends up getting the same compass from somewhere else. Or someone–say, Danielle, who claimed to have arrived 16 years before 815–had it, and he obtained it from her, or someone else who arrived on the island between the 1950s and 2004. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-3-jughead/483415.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-3-jughead/483415.md?page=3)