# Lost 5.3 "Jughead" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 28, 2009, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-3-jughead/483415 "2009-01-28T19:04:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Baldwin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baldwin/32/7264_2.png) [@Baldwin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baldwin)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2009, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-3-jughead/483415/101 "2009-01-30T15:08:30Z")
Y’know something that really helped make this episode entertaining? Jack wasn’t in it! ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2009, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-3-jughead/483415/102 "2009-01-30T16:11:40Z")
I think Widmore is Farraday’s father. He funded his research, he sent him on the expedition, he was on the island with someone who is possibly Farraday’s mother, and it would make it very ironic that Desmond asked him if he knew where Farraday’s closest living kin was. His response could have been: Widmore: _Who has two thumbs and is Daniel Farraday’s closest living kin? THIS GUY! (this joke works better if you are standing in my office with me right now, because you bet your sweet ass I stopped typing and did the double thumb point!)_ ---
**Author:** ![Trion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ccd318/32.png) [@Trion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trion)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2009, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-3-jughead/483415/103 "2009-01-30T16:34:41Z")
> [@Pigs\_in\_Space](#): > > Wouldn’t that also mean he slept with his own grandmother? Like I said above, given the paralells between Widmore and Ben, Penny is probably adopted. Thus avoiding all kinds of genetic unpleasantness. ---
**Author:** ![Gfactor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de053/32.png) [@Gfactor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gfactor)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2009, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-3-jughead/483415/104 "2009-02-01T19:34:18Z")
Does anybody want to volunteer to start next week’s thread or to start the threads forevermore? I won’t have time to do it (especially next week) and **John Mace** tells me he’s too busy to do these right now. ---
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2009, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-3-jughead/483415/105 "2009-02-01T23:17:25Z")
> [@Baldwin](#): > > Hadn’t thought of that. I think it’s just part of the repetition that’s a running theme with the show. > > Also, her name is Charlotte Staples Lewis; they apparently wanted their cutesy name games to include a C.S. Lewis. > > Will there be a character named Heisenberg? That’s my guess; in fact, I can tell you either where you’ll first see him, or how fast he’ll be going, but not both. > > … Nice one. This was a great episode, lots of shirtless Sawyer and some shirtless Desmond, too. Not enough though. So do we think Charlotte’s definitely pining for the fjords? ---
**Author:** ![Pigs\_in\_Space](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9d8465/32.png) [@Pigs\_in\_Space](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pigs_in_Space)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2009, 7:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-3-jughead/483415/106 "2009-02-02T07:03:49Z")
> [@MTRG](#): > > like Fry did in Futurama, **Roswell that ends well**. > > the parallels are amazing! Ahh, I never got into Futurama. More of a Heinlein fan. ---
**Author:** ![Trion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ccd318/32.png) [@Trion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trion)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2009, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-3-jughead/483415/107 "2009-02-02T13:24:28Z")
> [@Gfactor](#): > > Does anybody want to volunteer to start next week’s thread or to start the threads forevermore? I won’t have time to do it (especially next week) and **John Mace** tells me he’s too busy to do these right now. I can man the communications center for the time being. If either you or John want the eyepatch back after next week, let me know. ET fix spelling. ---
**Author:** ![Baldwin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baldwin/32/7264_2.png) [@Baldwin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baldwin)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2009, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-3-jughead/483415/108 "2009-02-02T13:34:32Z")
> [@Wile\_E](#): > > So do we think Charlotte’s definitely pining for the fjords? She’s resting. Actually, Charlotte hardly registers for me as a character; can’t really remember anything about her, except that she was one of those characters that seem to be either a bad guy or a good guy, depending on the needs of the plot. ---
**Author:** ![well\_he\_s\_back](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/3ab097/32.png) [@well\_he\_s\_back](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/well_he_s_back)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2009, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-3-jughead/483415/109 "2009-02-02T15:12:08Z")
I find I don’t care about Charlotte, but I really like the Miles and Daniel characters. If/when Charlotte dies Daniel will feel irrationally responsible & it would increase his feelings of guilt over the woman in Oxford. (If I’m not wrong in assuming he has some.) We need more shirtless Sawyer (and Desmond). More, I tell you. And Jack can stay away for as many episodes as need be. Regarding Juliet – I think we already know she’s a horny one – who can she pair up with? Has Ben lost his obsession with her? ---
**Author:** ![Gfactor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de053/32.png) [@Gfactor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gfactor)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2009, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-3-jughead/483415/110 "2009-02-02T15:35:01Z")
> [@Trion](#): > > I can man the communications center for the time being. If either you or John want the eyepatch back after next week, let me know. > > ET fix spelling. Thanks. I’m emailing you something. G ---
**Author:** ![Trion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ccd318/32.png) [@Trion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trion)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2009, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-3-jughead/483415/111 "2009-02-02T16:23:34Z")
> [@Gfactor](#): > > Thanks. I’m emailing you something. Got it. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2009, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-3-jughead/483415/112 "2009-02-02T23:33:43Z")
> [@middleman](#): > > For a huge cast, we really seem to be paring down the originals. Especially on the island. Ben and O6 are off. Who else is on? CFL? Dead. Alex? Dead. Bluebeard? Dead. Michael and Jin? Dead. Of course, dead is relative on Lost. Anyone other than Walt off the radar waiting for a surprise return? Ever since it happened at the end of last season, I haven’t been convinced that Jin is actually dead. Michael? I think so. He was still in the room with the bomb, and Christian Shepard appeared to him saying, “You can go now”. But Jin – he was running towards the edge of the ship where the chopper had just taken off. I have a suspicion that maybe he jumped into the water before the bomb went off, Bruce-Willis-In-Die-Hard style. > [@](#): > > - I really want to see the Smoke Monster in the past. I also want to see the island in much older times. Someone suggested the Blackrock days. That would be great. I’d like to see that, too! A younger, more slender smoke monster. Out playing with his little smoke monster friends, before they all left to guard other islands and he had to grow up, practice ripping up trees, then take up his current post tearing people apart. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![GraceTX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c4cdca/32.png) [@GraceTX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GraceTX)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2009, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-3-jughead/483415/113 "2009-02-03T00:40:41Z")
> [@Monstre](#): > > Ever since it happened at the end of last season, I haven’t been convinced that Jin is actually dead. Michael? I think so. He was still in the room with the bomb, and Christian Shepard appeared to him saying, “You can go now”. But Jin – he was running towards the edge of the ship where the chopper had just taken off. I have a suspicion that maybe he jumped into the water before the bomb went off, Bruce-Willis-In-Die-Hard style. Wow. You could be me. Except fro the Bruce-Willis-In-Die-Hard style bit, that exactly what I’ve been telling my fellow Lost fans at work. ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2009, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-3-jughead/483415/114 "2009-02-03T01:16:52Z")
> [@Monstre](#): > > I’d like to see that, too! A younger, more slender smoke monster. Out playing with his little smoke monster friends, before they all left to guard other islands and he had to grow up, practice ripping up trees, then take up his current post tearing people apart. 😃 Yeah. I’ll bet he has images of people you knew with bad acne and his roar was more of a voice-changing squeak. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2009, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-3-jughead/483415/115 "2009-02-03T01:27:52Z")
I’m thinking that Daniel is Charlotte’s father. I bet he ends up in the past and gets together with the hot chick who had him at gunpoint. If that’s the case it could be them that are Adam and Eve and baby Charlotte get’s found and taken off the island. As to why she survives and no other babies do… I dunno, perhaps whatever causes that isn’t started until after Baby Charlotte is born. ---
**Author:** ![Indistinguishable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/90ced4/32.png) [@Indistinguishable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Indistinguishable)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2009, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-3-jughead/483415/116 "2009-02-03T01:34:16Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > I’m thinking that Daniel is Charlotte’s father. I bet he ends up in the past and gets together with the hot chick who had him at gunpoint. That’s a whole lotta incest you’re suggesting. That “hot chick” is almost certainly Daniel’s mom; you’d be having him romantically involved with both his mother and his daughter, separately [unless you’re suggesting Daniel’s love for Charlotte actually isn’t romantic]. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2009, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-3-jughead/483415/117 "2009-02-03T01:39:25Z")
> [@Indistinguishable](#): > > That’s a whole lotta incest you’re suggesting. That “hot chick” is almost certainly Daniel’s mom; you’d be having him romantically involved with both his mother and his daughter, separately [unless you’re suggesting Daniel’s love for Charlotte actually isn’t romantic]. Yeah, I think he loves her because she’s his daughter. Which would be weird because she’s interpreting it as romantic love. Are we sure that “hot chick” is Daniel’s mother? ---
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2009, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-3-jughead/483415/118 "2009-02-03T01:44:14Z")
> [@GraceTX](#): > > Wow. You could be me. Except fro the Bruce-Willis-In-Die-Hard style bit, that exactly what I’ve been telling my fellow Lost fans at work. This is what I have always felt/hoped about Jin. Last I heard Daniel Dae Kim has resolved his DUI issue and is still in Hawaii, I hope that means he will be back on the show. After all, that had Michelle Rodriguez back. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2009, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-3-jughead/483415/119 "2009-02-03T03:45:14Z")
> [@Indistinguishable](#): > > That’s a whole lotta incest you’re suggesting. That “hot chick” is almost certainly Daniel’s mom; you’d be having him romantically involved with both his mother and his daughter, separately [unless you’re suggesting Daniel’s love for Charlotte actually isn’t romantic]. See, this is the problem with time travel. You end up banging all your relatives and being your own grampa, father, first cousin one removed… and maybe even your own uncle AND aunt, if things get really kinky. ---
**Author:** ![Gfactor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de053/32.png) [@Gfactor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gfactor)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2009, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-3-jughead/483415/120 "2009-02-03T04:29:53Z")
My favorite bit from this episode: > [@](#): > > If I try anything? What, you’re gonna, you’re gonna shoot me. That right? Yeah, that would be perfect, because of course, rifle fire right next to, what would you call this? Hydrogen bomb, yes? Fantastic idea. Really inspired. Okay, listen to me. Do you people have any access to lead or concrete? [http://www.lost-tv.com/transcripts/s5e03.html](http://www.lost-tv.com/transcripts/s5e03.html) (quote slightly altered) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-3-jughead/483415.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-3-jughead/483415.md?page=7)