# Lost 5.4 "The Little Prince" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 4, 2009, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-4-the-little-prince/484451 "2009-02-04T18:25:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2009, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-4-the-little-prince/484451/81 "2009-02-05T21:05:08Z")
> [@tds1273](#): > > I think I believe Faraday on this one. > > If you could change the past, then that changed would have already happened by and in any present. The present, could never change(or be known to change), because even if a change in the past hasn’t ‘happened yet’ it still is already accounted for, by it’s future consequences. I refer you to BACK TO THE FUTURE for an example of how they could address that paradox–that there’s “temporal inertia”. Changes in the past take time (you know what I mean 😉 ) to ripple forward to the present. Granted that’s entirely inconsistent with how it’s been described in the show, but frankly, of the people who understand time travel at all, even a little, Desmond is the _only_ one I trust. ---
**Author:** ![Gfactor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de053/32.png) [@Gfactor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gfactor)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2009, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-4-the-little-prince/484451/82 "2009-02-05T21:05:46Z")
> [@middleman](#): > > Speaking of Kelvin, I forgot we saw him in one of the pictures Sun had. I thought he was dead. His body disappeared after Desmond offed him. Maybe he was only mostly dead. Still, I’m not sure that’s him in the picture. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2009, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-4-the-little-prince/484451/83 "2009-02-05T21:07:19Z")
> [@fiddlesticks](#): > > The purpose of the food drops was to keep Kelvin and then Desmond alive to push the button. So presumably The Others knew what was going on in that hatch after they took over and kept up the “Dharma Flakes” fiction to make sure that the hatchees were none the wiser that anything had changed on the island. Did they? As far as I know, there was only one drop and wasn’t it after the big “button didn’t get pushed” flash? If so, that could have been a time-lost Dharma-jet. ---
**Author:** ![Dogzilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@Dogzilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dogzilla)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2009, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-4-the-little-prince/484451/84 "2009-02-05T21:11:35Z")
> [@middleman](#): > > Actually, after looking at a close up, that might not have been Kelvin. Is this Jack? > > [http://lost.cubit.net/images/index/investigations/5x04\_sun\_files\_5.jpg](http://lost.cubit.net/images/index/investigations/5x04_sun_files_5.jpg) I think it’s Jack. ---
**Author:** ![Gfactor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de053/32.png) [@Gfactor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gfactor)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2009, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-4-the-little-prince/484451/85 "2009-02-05T21:17:29Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > Did they? As far as I know, there was only one drop and wasn’t it after the big “button didn’t get pushed” flash? If so, that could have been a time-lost Dharma-jet. There were a few drops, including the one during the Lock Down. ---
**Author:** ![Gfactor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de053/32.png) [@Gfactor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gfactor)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2009, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-4-the-little-prince/484451/86 "2009-02-05T21:30:33Z")
> [@Gfactor](#): > > There were a few drops, including the one during the Lock Down. I stand corrected. The only post-Kelvin food drop we saw was during Lockdown. But the Flame computer could be used to set up another drop by entering 24, had Locke not blown it up by entering 77. :smack: [http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Periodic\_resupply\_drop](http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Periodic_resupply_drop) ---
**Author:** ![borschevsky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/97f17d/32.png) [@borschevsky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/borschevsky)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2009, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-4-the-little-prince/484451/87 "2009-02-05T21:45:16Z")
> [@middleman](#): > > Actually, after looking at a close up, that might not have been Kelvin. Is this Jack? > > [http://lost.cubit.net/images/index/investigations/5x04\_sun\_files\_5.jpg](http://lost.cubit.net/images/index/investigations/5x04_sun_files_5.jpg) It’s Jack. They’re at the funeral home where Locke’s casket was. ---
**Author:** ![Rich\_Mann](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ce73a5/32.png) [@Rich\_Mann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rich_Mann)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2009, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-4-the-little-prince/484451/88 "2009-02-05T22:00:06Z")
Speculation: I think the food drops all occured during the Dharma Initiative’s time on the Island. Some changed ‘time zones’ on the way down to the Island from whatever safe altitude they were dropped from. “What? You didn’t get the last food drop? That’s the third time this year! Well, I guess I’ll just schedule another one.” I also think that the 70 hour time window/deadline that Ms. Hawking (Lady Time Cop) gave Ben corresponds to a period of time (in 2008) that the time-jumpers will jump to for a while. The O6 must arrive before the time-jumpers jump again in order to sync up with them. Wild guess: What if Danielle is off taking a pee when Jin disappears right in front of the men in her party. They tell her about it, but she thinks they offed him and made up a ridiculous story to cover it up. This is when she begins to think that they’ve gone mad and starts taking the firing pins out of their rifles. ---
**Author:** ![Rich\_Mann](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ce73a5/32.png) [@Rich\_Mann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rich_Mann)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2009, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-4-the-little-prince/484451/89 "2009-02-06T00:54:02Z")
Does anyone know of a site with a translation of the french dialog from this episode? I tried Lostpedia, but couldn’t find anything. ---
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2009, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-4-the-little-prince/484451/90 "2009-02-06T01:18:14Z")
> [@Rich\_Mann](#): > > Does anyone know of a site with a translation of the french dialog from this episode? I tried Lostpedia, but couldn’t find anything. Musta missed it on Lostpedia - [here it is](http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/The_Little_Prince_transcript#Act_6) Oh and BTW…did anyone notice how it was raining cats and dogs for the Losties in the canoe at the same time (episode time, that is) it was quite spontaneously raining cats and dogs for the Losties in LA? ---
**Author:** ![Rich\_Mann](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ce73a5/32.png) [@Rich\_Mann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rich_Mann)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2009, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-4-the-little-prince/484451/91 "2009-02-06T01:47:41Z")
Thanks, **ZipperJJ**. I must be losing my Google Fu powers. I noticed the rain too, but I think it’s probably just coincidence. It may have started raining in the middle of filming the ‘L.A.’ scene (which was probably shot in Hawaii where sudden rains are common) and they just went with it. ---
**Author:** ![mshar253](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/6de8d8/32.png) [@mshar253](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mshar253)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2009, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-4-the-little-prince/484451/92 "2009-02-06T02:04:55Z")
> [@Rich\_Mann](#): > > Thanks, **ZipperJJ**. I must be losing my Google Fu powers. > > I noticed the rain too, but I think it’s probably just coincidence. It may have started raining in the middle of filming the ‘L.A.’ scene (which was probably shot in Hawaii where sudden rains are common) and they just went with it. I agree that it was a coincidence, but why wouldn’t they film in LA? They haven’t shown any new scenes with any of the O6 since they left the island. ---
**Author:** ![Geek\_Mecha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ecae2f/32.png) [@Geek\_Mecha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Geek_Mecha)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2009, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-4-the-little-prince/484451/93 "2009-02-06T02:39:21Z")
The Hawaii filming is not just for the jungle or beach scenes. Very little, if anything, is shot outside of Honolulu or the island of Oahu. I can usually immediately identify the location of each scene; the only time I’m unsure is when it’s shot on government or military property. Many of the cast lives on the island full-time during filming, in the same general area the Others’ colony is located. Sites like these can help you identify locations: [http://www.lostvirtualtour.com/welcome.php](http://www.lostvirtualtour.com/welcome.php) Click the “by geography”, pick a location, and they’ll give you side-by-side comparisons of frames from the show and on-site photos. ---
**Author:** ![Rich\_Mann](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ce73a5/32.png) [@Rich\_Mann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rich_Mann)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2009, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-4-the-little-prince/484451/94 "2009-02-06T02:43:31Z")
Well there was the one jungle scene with Kate in this episode. According to Lostpedia some of it was archival footage of Kate and Clair, but some (the Sawyer POV stuff) was new footage shot with Kate and a stand-in. [sub]In other news; my Google Fu powers appear to have returned.[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a9a28c/32.png) [@Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oslo_Ostragoth)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2009, 7:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-4-the-little-prince/484451/95 "2009-02-06T07:16:06Z")
[quote=“AudreyK, post:93, topic:484451”] Sites like these can help you identify locations: [http://www.lostvirtualtour.com/welcome.php](http://www.lostvirtualtour.com/welcome.php)[/QU 404 error here. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2009, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-4-the-little-prince/484451/96 "2009-02-06T14:07:20Z")
My wife, toward the end of this episode: “They totally lied about there being more answers than new questions in this season!” Me: “They’ve been lying about that since season two, honey.” ---
**Author:** ![phungi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/phungi/32/395_2.png) [@phungi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/phungi)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2009, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-4-the-little-prince/484451/97 "2009-02-06T14:26:28Z")
Something about Jin been bothering me. He managed to survive the explosion, which appeared nearer to the helicopter then the island. The folks on the island see smoke (presumably the freighter exploding) and then the time-shift occurs. How did Jin get “included” in the time-shifting? ---
**Author:** ![borschevsky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/97f17d/32.png) [@borschevsky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/borschevsky)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2009, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-4-the-little-prince/484451/98 "2009-02-06T15:24:48Z")
I was thinking about that today, and I think it can be explained by the scene from last year where the body of the doctor from the freighter washed up on the beach. We saw that he was killed _later_ on the freighter (later freighter!), so as his body drifted to the island, it travelled back in time by a day or so. The same thing could have happened to Jin; he floated to the island in a similar way, so he arrived there prior to the point in time that the jumps started. ---
**Author:** ![MTRG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/71c47a/32.png) [@MTRG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MTRG)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2009, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-4-the-little-prince/484451/99 "2009-02-06T15:30:41Z")
> [@phungi](#): > > Something about Jin been bothering me. He managed to survive the explosion, which appeared nearer to the helicopter then the island. The folks on the island see smoke (presumably the freighter exploding) and then the time-shift occurs. How did Jin get “included” in the time-shifting? It has been established that there are some characters that can not die…the island needs them, blah, blah, blah. It seemes that those are the ones that are also shifting. I am not suprised that if Jin is alive, he shifts. ---
**Author:** ![MTRG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/71c47a/32.png) [@MTRG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MTRG)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2009, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-4-the-little-prince/484451/100 "2009-02-06T15:32:40Z")
Oh, BTW my 2 cents…the young Danielle is pretty hot [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-4-the-little-prince/484451.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-4-the-little-prince/484451.md?page=6)