# Lost 5.4 "The Little Prince" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 4, 2009, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-4-the-little-prince/484451 "2009-02-04T18:25:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![SuntanTigerTamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e5b9ba/32.png) [@SuntanTigerTamer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanTigerTamer)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2009, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-4-the-little-prince/484451/141 "2009-02-09T16:03:08Z")
> [@Gfactor](#): > > Perhaps they were less interested in what happened to the bear and more interested in what happens on the island when the donkey wheel gets turned. \*\*After they tried a human volunteer to turn it (Widmore?) \*\*and he vanished, they decided a trained bear might be a safer bet for insurance purposes. šŸ˜‰ Bolding mine I really like this idea, but I have a feeling that Windemore will have been kicked off the island because he had gone rogue or something to that effect. The show does do a lot of bait and switching, but I feel confident that Windemore is the real bad guy. I think your idea would be a much more compelling and less cliched plot line tho. Maybe Ben tricked Windemore into turning the wheel last time and thatā€™s where the mutual loathing comes from. ---
**Author:** ![Gfactor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de053/32.png) [@Gfactor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gfactor)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2009, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-4-the-little-prince/484451/142 "2009-02-09T16:08:16Z")
> [@SuntanTigerTamer](#): > > I think your idea would be a much more compelling and less cliched plot line tho. Maybe Ben tricked Windemore into turning the wheel last time and thatā€™s where the mutual loathing comes from. Right. This is actually a big flaw with my theory. Ben and Widmore clearly have some serious history. If Widmore got booted early, when did their conflict happen? ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2009, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-4-the-little-prince/484451/143 "2009-02-09T16:45:55Z")
> [@Gfactor](#): > > Right. This is actually a big flaw with my theory. Ben and Widmore clearly have some serious history. If Widmore got booted early, when did their conflict happen? I wonder if Charles thought he was going to be the next leader of the Others only to have Ben take the mantle. ---
**Author:** ![Dilton\_Doiley\_Philosopher\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f1d935/32.png) [@Dilton\_Doiley\_Philosopher\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dilton_Doiley_Philosopher_King)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2009, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-4-the-little-prince/484451/144 "2009-02-09T20:18:35Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > I wonder if the power source is the H-bomb somehow? Due to exposure to screwy-time itā€™s in a permanent state of energy release or somethingā€¦ Maybe at some ā€œfutureā€ point, they will dig up the bomb and detonate it. Perhaps two people (Adam & Eve) will stay behind to make sure it detonates, and everybody else will be saved. ---
**Author:** ![tds1273](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/df705f/32.png) [@tds1273](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tds1273)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2009, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-4-the-little-prince/484451/145 "2009-02-09T23:06:53Z")
Some really good ideas here over the weekend. The idea of the bears being used to push the wheel is interesting as well; certainly the best explanation Iā€™ve seen yet. What about the sharks though? Iā€™m pretty sure we will learn more about the bears, theyā€™ve popped up enough, but Iā€™m not holding hope for that half second shot of the tattooed fish. The Widmore/Ben thing is good too, and at this point I think I would bet on Ben having tricked/forced Widmore off the island somehow. Or, ala \*\*middleman \*\*, perhaps Ben is to Widmore, as Locke now is to Ben. My latest theory regarding Adam and Eve is it being Aaron and Ji Yeon; the two youngest characters are in fact the two oldest (known)characters. Either them, or Rose and Bernard. > [@jackdavinci](#): > > The \*\*compass \*\*is still subject to entropy. If it were stuck in an infinite time loop it would immediately turn into dust. Not that the writers would necessarily realize this. A single loop is the only plausible explanation. fixed. I donā€™t think so. Seems as though it would just continue to decay at itā€™s same steady rate, no matter what time it is in. Each copy of the compass made would also decay at the same rate, but would obviously start its decay in the condition of the watch that it was copied from, not in new condition I mean. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2009, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-4-the-little-prince/484451/146 "2009-02-09T23:10:42Z")
Can someone remind me: was the compass one of the objects the young Ben was tested with in one of the last seasonā€™s bits? ---
**Author:** ![ekweizn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7c8e57/32.png) [@ekweizn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekweizn)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2009, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-4-the-little-prince/484451/147 "2009-02-09T23:57:09Z")
> [@Mr.Miskatonic](#): > > Can someone remind me: was the compass one of the objects the young Ben was tested with in one of the last seasonā€™s bits? Yes, but a different compass was used (young Locke chose the knife). ---
**Author:** ![Gfactor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de053/32.png) [@Gfactor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gfactor)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2009, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-4-the-little-prince/484451/148 "2009-02-10T00:09:03Z")
> [@tds1273](#): > > The Widmore/Ben thing is good too, and at this point I think I would bet on Ben having tricked/forced Widmore off the island somehow. Or, ala \*\*middleman \*\*, perhaps Ben is to Widmore, as Locke now is to Ben. Actual spoiler follows do not read if you do not want to read a spoiler. Episode 5.10 is supposedly called ā€œHeā€™s Our You.ā€ ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2009, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-4-the-little-prince/484451/149 "2009-02-10T01:01:54Z")
Hereā€™s a thoughtā€¦ Maybe Locke didnā€™t choose WRONG, he just didnā€™t choose what they were looking for **at that time**. Locke chose the warriorā€™s path (the knife) but what they really needed at that time was a leader with direction (compass). What do we think? -Joe ---
**Author:** ![SuntanTigerTamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e5b9ba/32.png) [@SuntanTigerTamer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanTigerTamer)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2009, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-4-the-little-prince/484451/150 "2009-02-10T02:16:04Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > Hereā€™s a thoughtā€¦ > > Maybe Locke didnā€™t choose WRONG, he just didnā€™t choose what they were looking for **at that time**. > > Locke chose the warriorā€™s path (the knife) but what they really needed at that time was a leader with direction (compass). > > What do we think? > > -Joe Again, I really like this idea and hope itā€™s what the producers/writers planned. I have a sneaking suspicion that, as fans, we are much more attached to every little last thing that happened in the ā€œpastā€ on the show and draw parrallels that the writers never intended. I guess time will tell. As far as Adam and Eve go, I am praying that they are Desmond and Penny, and that Baby Charlie grows up on the island to be Daddy Windemore, who blames Des for the death of his mom/daughter. I think the idea of Charles Windemore being, literally, his own grandpa is too much fun for the writers to ignore. The only problem with this is that Des and Penny and the gang didnā€™t appear until the second season. The optimist in me hopes that the writers had enough foresight to foreshadow charecters an entire season before they appeared onscreen. The pessimist inside me is usually the voice I trust most, though ā˜¹ ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2009, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-4-the-little-prince/484451/151 "2009-02-10T02:49:33Z")
> [@tds1273](#): > > My latest theory regarding Adam and Eve is it being Aaron and Ji Yeon; the two youngest characters are in fact the two oldest (known)characters. > Either them, or Rose and Bernard. Possible Adam and Eve Pairs: Sawyer and Kate Jack and Kate Penny and Des Rose and Bernard Aaron and Ji Yeon Kate and Jin Sawyer and Juliet Jack and Juliet Daniel and Charlotte Widmore and Ellie Lindelof and Cuse (in drag) ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2009, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-4-the-little-prince/484451/152 "2009-02-10T03:12:19Z")
> [@SuntanTigerTamer](#): > > Again, I really like this idea and hope itā€™s what the producers/writers planned. I have a sneaking suspicion that, as fans, we are much more attached to every little last thing that happened in the ā€œpastā€ on the show and draw parrallels that the writers never intended. I guess time will tell. In my experience, thatā€™s what English Majors spend their entire careers doing. ā€œThe path less traveledā€ indeed! -Joe [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-4-the-little-prince/484451.md?page=7)