# Lost 5.5 "This Place Is Death" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 11, 2009, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-5-this-place-is-death/485401 "2009-02-11T18:35:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![fachverwirrt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/94ad74/32.png) [@fachverwirrt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fachverwirrt)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2009, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-5-this-place-is-death/485401/81 "2009-02-12T17:18:03Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > 1. Yeh, I’m not sure about that, now that you have me thinking about it. I suppose you’re right, since Rousseau gave birth without a hitch in '88. > > 2. Are we sure about that? I thought only the mothers were in danger. I couldn’t find it in Lostpedia… Damn, this show makes my head spin. 1. Rousseau was already pregnant; only women who become pregnant on the island have a problem. 2. I’m pretty sure that the women die relatively early in the pregnancy. Too early for the babies to survive (especially withouth a NICU). ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2009, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-5-this-place-is-death/485401/82 "2009-02-12T17:18:13Z")
I’m thinking when Sun was pregnant, and Juliet convinced her to go to one of the hatches to determine when the baby was conceived. She didn’t seem concerned about her own fate, as much as the baby’s, because she was so happy it was Jin’s after all. The behavior from Sun and Juliet led me to believe the baby was never in any “island-centric” harm. Only that Sun would die, and she was okay with that. Did Sun conceive on the island? ---
**Author:** ![fachverwirrt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/94ad74/32.png) [@fachverwirrt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fachverwirrt)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2009, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-5-this-place-is-death/485401/83 "2009-02-12T17:28:32Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > Did Sun conceive on the island? Yes. That’s why she was happy, even though it meant she would die if she didn’t get off the island. It meant the baby was Jin’s. [Here’s](http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Pregnancy) the Lostpedia link on pregnancy. It seems that most women die before their third trimester. I don’t know enough about obstetrics to know for sure, but I’m pretty sure that a baby that premature will generally not survive without serious medical intervention. Didn’t the Others kidnap children (and Claire) because they couldn’t have any of their own? ---
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2009, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-5-this-place-is-death/485401/84 "2009-02-12T17:34:29Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > Also, some folks are thinking that was Hurley’s voice broadcasting the original numbers that the Frenchies dialed into. > > [What do you guys think?](http://lost.cubit.net/archives/2009/02/5x05-hugo-on-the-radio.php) > > I think it’s pretty likely actually. Yeah that’s weird…the first coupla numbers sound like a radio announcer but the last two sound like Hurley. How weird. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2009, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-5-this-place-is-death/485401/85 "2009-02-12T17:37:33Z")
I don’t think we’re _entirely_ sure why the Others kidnapped the children/babies yet. That could be a reason, but I think there’s something deeper going on there. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2009, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-5-this-place-is-death/485401/86 "2009-02-12T17:39:59Z")
Well, didn’t The Staff hatch have some sophisticated medical equipment? Perhaps they had a NICU there, considering their problem, and all. ---
**Author:** ![Gfactor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de053/32.png) [@Gfactor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gfactor)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2009, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-5-this-place-is-death/485401/87 "2009-02-12T17:45:40Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > I don’t think we’re _entirely_ sure why the Others kidnapped the children/babies yet. That could be a reason, but I think there’s something deeper going on there. I suspect the \*reason \*they (collectively) did it is because Jacob told Ben to do it. Maybe Ben had his own reasons and lied to them. Certainly Jacob had a reason (assuming we believe that time-travelling ghosts need or have reasons and assuming that’s what he is) but Jacob hasn’t talked much until last episode (assuming Christian is Jacob). And by the way, Christian had some of the best lines. Locke: Ben said he know how to do it. Christian: When was the last time listening to him worked out for you? (or something like that) Question/theory: Did Ben really think Jacob wanted him to move the island instead of Locke or did he want to get off the island for his own reaons? Locke apparently does not realize that by moving the island, Ben killed him. Was that part of Ben’s plan? ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2009, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-5-this-place-is-death/485401/88 "2009-02-12T17:46:29Z")
> [@ZipperJJ](#): > > Yeah that’s weird…the first coupla numbers sound like a radio announcer but the last two sound like Hurley. How weird. I’m guessing they tried to make Hugo sound as generic as possible, so it would be immediately obvious. But it really makes sense that he’d be the one to record the original transmission, considering his history and all the time-travel stuff. OTOH, he’s terrified of those numbers, and wouldn’t even say them out loud if he didn’t have a DAMN good reason. So, if it is him, I’m curious as to what that will turn out to be. ---
**Author:** ![Gfactor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de053/32.png) [@Gfactor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gfactor)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2009, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-5-this-place-is-death/485401/89 "2009-02-12T17:47:27Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > Well, didn’t The Staff hatch have some sophisticated medical equipment? Perhaps they had a NICU there, considering their problem, and all. > [@](#): > > # And when your heart stops beating … so will the baby’s. If you go [back to Locke’s camp] … you will die. And your baby will never be born." (“Ji Yeon”) > > # According to this report, pregnant women can expect to die on the Island somewhere after their 100th day of pregnancy. (“Ji Yeon”) [http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Pregnancies#Fertility](http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Pregnancies#Fertility) ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2009, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-5-this-place-is-death/485401/90 "2009-02-12T17:51:53Z")
> [@Gfactor](#): > > …Question/theory: Did Ben really think Jacob wanted him to move the island instead of Locke or did he want to get off the island for his own reaons? Locke apparently does not realize that by moving the island, Ben killed him. Was that part of Ben’s plan? I’m not so sure either of them had enough to go on, what with C/J being so damn terse and cryptic. All Locke had to go on was that he/they needed to move the island. It didn’t even occur to Locke, that it HAD to be him. Ben was the only one with the knowledge of how to even go about it. I think C/J was just being coy, as zombie-island ghosts are wont to do. It’s alllll part of the “BIG PICTURE.” ---
**Author:** ![well\_he\_s\_back](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/3ab097/32.png) [@well\_he\_s\_back](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/well_he_s_back)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2009, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-5-this-place-is-death/485401/91 "2009-02-12T17:52:58Z")
Just popping in for a really shallow comment - the romantic storylines are the least interesting on this show (except for Des and Penny of course). That being said, I will be furious if Kate ends up with Jack and breaks Sawyer’s heart. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2009, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-5-this-place-is-death/485401/92 "2009-02-12T17:53:13Z")
> [@Gfactor](#): > > [http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Pregnancies#Fertility](http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Pregnancies#Fertility) thanks! I give… they both die. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2009, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-5-this-place-is-death/485401/93 "2009-02-12T17:56:19Z")
> [@well\_he\_s\_back](#): > > Just popping in for a really shallow comment - the romantic storylines are the least interesting on this show (except for Des and Penny of course). That being said, I will be furious if Kate ends up with Jack and breaks Sawyer’s heart. Kate is so hot for Sawyer, it’s stoopid. Jack’s too unbalanced and emotional for her. It’s as good a love triangle as any, but her and Sawyer just seem to fit better. I think maybe Jack will die in the end. ---
**Author:** ![Gfactor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de053/32.png) [@Gfactor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gfactor)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2009, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-5-this-place-is-death/485401/94 "2009-02-12T17:59:05Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > I think C/J was just being coy, as zombie-island ghosts are wont to do. You mean he was conning Locke? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2009, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-5-this-place-is-death/485401/95 "2009-02-12T18:00:20Z")
> [@Gfactor](#): > > You mean he was conning Locke? 😉 Imagine that! 😛 ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2009, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-5-this-place-is-death/485401/96 "2009-02-12T18:02:56Z")
Then again… it could go the other way — Sawyer could bite it in the end. Cue big, emotional scene. Forcing Kate into Jack’s arms. Otherwise, Jack hasn’t got a shot. ---
**Author:** ![Gfactor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de053/32.png) [@Gfactor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gfactor)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2009, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-5-this-place-is-death/485401/97 "2009-02-12T20:18:23Z")
Other favorite line: “Turn it up! I love Geronimo Jackson!” ---
**Author:** ![Dogzilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@Dogzilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dogzilla)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2009, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-5-this-place-is-death/485401/98 "2009-02-12T20:31:42Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > I’m not so sure the Annie+Ben = Charlotte’s parents have any validity, only because it was stated that the mothers can not survive giving birth on the island. This was one of DI’s main issues (as well as the Other’s after the purge). So that would mean that Annie died after giving birth to Charlotte. But we know her mom got her off the island, and told her it was all her imagination. Unless she was raised by another, but that seems like too much. > > If Annie _is_ Charlotte, there seems to be a huge age difference between Ben and Charlotte now. This can be explained away be some time-hopping that Ben has gone through between the time C left and came back, but that, again, seems unlikely. Charlotte clearly stated in this ep that her mum took her off the island and she never saw her father again. So I suspect she was either not born on the island, but brought to it as a small child and then again, whisked away before the Purge, or her mum arrived on the island pregnant like Rousseau and Claire. (Remember, you can give birth there if you show up already pregnant, but if you conceive on the island, you and the baby are SOL.) It sounded like she was pretty young when her mum took her back to England and convinced her that she imagined growing up on the island… so that leads me to believe that Charlotte and her mum missed the Purge completely. So Charlotte’s mum is not dead, as far as we know. I don’t think Annie is Charlotte at all. What bothers me about Charlotte is why/when/how did she learn to speak Korean? Is it possible that Miles is actually Korean, but like Charlotte, doesn’t remember much about being on the island before? Did DI teach Charlotte Korean? Did Marvin Candles teach her so she could converse with his son? Has Miles forgotten all his Korean? (Is he even Korean at all?) I think there’s more to the language link than we know right now. ---
**Author:** ![Dogzilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@Dogzilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dogzilla)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2009, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-5-this-place-is-death/485401/99 "2009-02-12T20:40:10Z")
> [@ShadowFacts](#): > > So, how the heck does Ben end up being her “father”? Was this covered in a previous episode and I forgot it? It’s obvious that he really does (did, I guess) think of Alex as his daughter, despite not being biologically his. Yes, this was covered in a previous ep. I believe it was the last ep of last season or second to last ep of last season. Rousseau finally meets Alex, but before she does, she tells the Losties the story of how, after she gave birth, she saw the black smoke. A few days after the black smoke (not Smoky the Monster, but a plume from a campfire), the Others came and snatched Alex away from her and she never saw her again until she met her at Otherton (the barracks where Ben lived). If you recall, there was a scene in which Ben introduces Alex to her mother (before he sends both off with “Your mother will keep you safe.”) and explains that he ‘adopted’ her and raised her as his own, and I can’t remember if he stops short of admitting that he kidnapped Alex, or if he comes right out and owns up to it. Shortly after that, he refers to Alex as “_my_ daughter” and Rousseau gives him a Look That Kills and clobbers him in the head with the butt of her gun. (I love that scene.) ---
**Author:** ![Gfactor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de053/32.png) [@Gfactor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gfactor)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2009, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-5-this-place-is-death/485401/100 "2009-02-12T20:41:34Z")
> [@Dogzilla](#): > > Did Marvin Candles teach her so she could converse with his son? How do we know it was a son? All we saw was a baby. Maybe Charlotte is Chang’s daughter. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-5-this-place-is-death/485401.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-5-this-place-is-death/485401.md?page=6)