# Lost 5.5 "This Place Is Death" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 11, 2009, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-5-this-place-is-death/485401 "2009-02-11T18:35:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![ekweizn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7c8e57/32.png) [@ekweizn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekweizn)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 9:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-5-this-place-is-death/485401/141 "2009-02-13T09:22:25Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > I don’t know, it seems like it was 70 hours or never to me. Or possibly Ben/Eloise were just lying about needing everyone to go back. Especially since Ben let them off the island to start with (giving them the helicopter) and knocked the frozen donkey wheel off its axis by turning it. ---
**Author:** ![Rich\_Mann](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ce73a5/32.png) [@Rich\_Mann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rich_Mann)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 9:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-5-this-place-is-death/485401/142 "2009-02-13T09:48:47Z")
> [@Qwisp](#): > > I think they only have 70 hours because Eloise know they islands location right now and she knows that the island is going to disappear again. If they don’t all leave now she will have to go through the trouble of tracking the island again, and who knows how long that will take. I stand by the prediction I made in last week’s thread. The 70 hour deadline corresponds to a time when the time-jumpers will be in the (off-island) present and the O6 can sync up with them upon arrival. After all, how could it matter when the O6 arrive on The Island (thereby saving their time-lost comrades) if the chrono-nauts are off in 1881 or 2525? Remember that, although the remaining losties+\* are jumping in **time** , The Island was clearly shown to have changed **location** when it disappeared in front of those aboard the chopper. I think that each time-jump must also be a change in location\*\*. What else is Eloise Hawking doing with her calculations if not trying to nail down, not the **present** , but the **near-future** location of The Island? A place and a point in time when sending the escapees back to join their brethren can happen. \*I await an explanation as to why, not only losties, but also Widmore’s scientists and Juliet (an Other–at least until recently) are stuck unstuck-in-time together. \*\*The Nigerian dope-flight crashed during this period of space-time slippage. The Island must have been off the coast of Africa during that interval between flashes. ---
**Author:** ![Baldwin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baldwin/32/7264_2.png) [@Baldwin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baldwin)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-5-this-place-is-death/485401/143 "2009-02-13T15:02:01Z")
Of all the crazy things on this show, I bet the creators are wishing they’d never come up with the numbers. I can buy time travel, teleportation, immortality, reincarnation, and cryptic ghost dads – but they started out by essentially stating: > [@imaginary Lost writer](#): > > Okay, there are six integers between 0 and 100; if they’re recited or written in numerical order, they have incredible magical powers. Little hard to swallow. When Locke was saying goodbye, I hoped he’d say to Miles “Sorry about stringing you up and putting a grenade in your mouth.” My girlfriend and I have both had bad leg injuries in the past. When Locke took his fall and we saw the broken bone sticking out of his leg, it wasn’t pleasant. Owie. That sequence with Christian giving cryptic instructions, and Locke having to manipulate the ancient-looking donkey wheel, seemed like a scene from Tomb Raider. How many hours of his life has Ben spent with somebody pointing a gun at his face while he talks his way out of it? ---
**Author:** ![borschevsky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/97f17d/32.png) [@borschevsky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/borschevsky)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-5-this-place-is-death/485401/144 "2009-02-13T15:10:36Z")
> [@Rich\_Mann](#): > > I stand by the prediction I made in last week’s thread. The 70 hour deadline corresponds to a time when the time-jumpers will be in the (off-island) present and the O6 can sync up with them upon arrival. I think this makes the most sense. Another thing might be that there’s some limit on how long they have to bring Locke back. When Ben brought Locke’s body to that woman at the butcher shop, he said some of his normal cryptic stuff about how everything depends on keeping the body safe. Maybe after this 70 hours they won’t have access to the island for a while, and then it’s too late to bring John back. How long had Christian been dead when they originally crashed on the island? It was only a couple days, right? > [@Rich\_Mann](#): > > \*I await an explanation as to why, not only losties, but also Widmore’s scientists and Juliet (an Other–at least until recently) are stuck unstuck-in-time together. I think some explanation similar to **Pyper** ’s above will be the answer. There’s some Otherization process. Maybe Juliet never did it, or maybe it was removed from her in that season three episode where the Others kicked her out. ---
**Author:** ![Shoeless](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shoeless/32/7099_2.png) [@Shoeless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shoeless)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-5-this-place-is-death/485401/145 "2009-02-13T15:27:14Z")
**Pyper** , I like your theory. One of the things that’s been driving me crazy this season is why the Losties who were abducted by the Others (the stewardess, the children) are NOT time-hopping with the rest of the Losties. If they’ve been to the Temple and somehow changed, that would make sense. ---
**Author:** ![well\_he\_s\_back](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/3ab097/32.png) [@well\_he\_s\_back](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/well_he_s_back)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-5-this-place-is-death/485401/146 "2009-02-13T16:09:19Z")
Latest lost thoughts – Okay, maybe Charlotte is Daniel’s daughter. He went back to Dharma time, when she was there. In the present he never even kissed her, as he might have if he had been “in love” with her. Or maybe she’s Widmore’s daughter and now Ben has vengeance and can leave Penny alone. Okay, more “seriously” – what was the deal with that power plant on the island that Daniel & Charlotte felt they had to get to so badly? I can’t remember & am confused with how it might fit with current speculations. If Widmore can track people and islands so well, you’d think he would have located Ben & crew by now. Esp. if he knows Daniel’s mother. ---
**Author:** ![Gfactor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de053/32.png) [@Gfactor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gfactor)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-5-this-place-is-death/485401/147 "2009-02-13T16:39:49Z")
> [@well\_he\_s\_back](#): > > Okay, more “seriously” – what was the deal with that power plant on the island that Daniel & Charlotte felt they had to get to so badly? I can’t remember & am confused with how it might fit with current speculations. It was not well-explained. [http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Power\_station](http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Power_station) ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-5-this-place-is-death/485401/148 "2009-02-13T17:00:02Z")
I wanna through out this before the next episode. Anyone else think that Locke will be paralyzed once he gets off the island? ---
**Author:** ![Flander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8c91f0/32.png) [@Flander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flander)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-5-this-place-is-death/485401/149 "2009-02-13T17:29:58Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > I wanna through out this before the next episode. > Anyone else think that Locke will be paralyzed once he gets off the island? If not that, his leg is still broken. ---
**Author:** ![Risha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/5fc32e/32.png) [@Risha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Risha)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-5-this-place-is-death/485401/150 "2009-02-13T17:43:26Z")
> [@mshar253](#): > > Mrs. Hawking said that Ben had only 70 hours the other day, but then she didn’t hit the fan when Ben said that he could only get four at that time. I’ve read some people – I don’t know if it was here, and I don’t feel like going through all these posts again to check – say that they were annoyed by that. Didn’t she say something about going to get the rest of them in a bit? I read her reaction as minor irritation at the delay, but that it wasn’t the end of the world. By the way, I also thought that Ben seemed shocked that Eloise was Daniel’s mother. ---
**Author:** ![SmellMyWort](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea5d25/32.png) [@SmellMyWort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmellMyWort)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-5-this-place-is-death/485401/151 "2009-02-13T17:46:59Z")
> [@well\_he\_s\_back](#): > > Latest lost thoughts – Okay, maybe Charlotte is Daniel’s daughter. He went back to Dharma time, when she was there. In the present he never even kissed her, as he might have if he had been “in love” with her. I kind of thought this at first too, but I’m pretty sure Daniel tells Richard that he’s “in love” with Charlotte, not that he “loves” her when he’s trying to convince Richard to let him check out the bomb. That wording makes a difference, in my mind. ---
**Author:** ![Bearflag70](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Bearflag70](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bearflag70)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-5-this-place-is-death/485401/152 "2009-02-13T17:53:30Z")
I wouldn’t want to be dumped in the middle of Tunisia with a compound leg fracture. IIRC, Ben’s arm was still injured when he jumped to Tunisia. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-5-this-place-is-death/485401/153 "2009-02-13T18:02:04Z")
I wonder if he will end up in Tunisia. If the island is in a different location now, he might end up somewhere else. And what time will he show up? ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-5-this-place-is-death/485401/154 "2009-02-13T18:37:16Z")
> [@SmellMyWort](#): > > I kind of thought this at first too, but I’m pretty sure Daniel tells Richard that he’s “in love” with Charlotte, not that he “loves” her when he’s trying to convince Richard to let him check out the bomb. That wording makes a difference, in my mind. She seems to remember her father and past Daniel as distinct individuals. ---
**Author:** ![Gfactor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de053/32.png) [@Gfactor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gfactor)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-5-this-place-is-death/485401/155 "2009-02-13T18:42:54Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > I wonder if he will end up in Tunisia. If the island is in a different location now, he might end up somewhere else. And what time will he show up? Well, we can narrow it down to a three year period. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Hampshire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hampshire/32/4887_2.png) [@Hampshire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hampshire)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-5-this-place-is-death/485401/156 "2009-02-13T20:20:50Z")
> [@Pyper](#): > > How do you become an Other? You enter the Temple. As we saw last night, people who enter the Temple immediately become changed. The armless guy who fell down the hole immediately began trying to lure the rest of the French team in. Once they had all entered the temple, they became “Others” and then tried to kill the one member of the team who had not entered the temple, and thus was not “of” the Island.. I think the armless guy is dead. I’m more apt to think the smoke monster after having contact with the guy was using his voice to lure the others in. Similar to when it manifested itself into Mr. Echos brother before killing him. ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-5-this-place-is-death/485401/157 "2009-02-13T21:29:21Z")
I’m rewatching some old episodes on Hulu, and something interest occured to me. In the scene where Farrady is crying at the supposed crash footage of 815, the woman caring for him is only shown from the shoulders down. It never shows her face. I wonder if she is someone we’ve seen before. ---
**Author:** ![well\_he\_s\_back](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/3ab097/32.png) [@well\_he\_s\_back](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/well_he_s_back)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-5-this-place-is-death/485401/158 "2009-02-13T21:45:55Z")
and why was he crying? Is Faraday just a softie, or did he know someone on the plane (from his time travels?). ---
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-5-this-place-is-death/485401/159 "2009-02-13T21:51:18Z")
So the big shocker here is…whose side is Eloise on? Ben clearly thought she’s on his side, but if Daniel, who was funded by Widmore, is her son (no doubt the reason for Ben’s appearance of surprise), then is she really his agent? Or is she saving the island from BOTH of them? ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-5-this-place-is-death/485401/160 "2009-02-13T21:55:23Z")
> [@cmkeller](#): > > So the big shocker here is…whose side is Eloise on? Ben clearly thought she’s on his side, but if Daniel, who was funded by Widmore, is her son (no doubt the reason for Ben’s appearance of surprise), then is she really his agent? Or is she saving the island from BOTH of them? I think both Widmore and Ben know the Eloise is the key to getting back to the island. But Widmore and Eloise had a falling out, and Eloise took Ben’s side. So Widmore decided the best thing to do is to fund Daniel, and try and get him to figure out how Widmore can get to the island. Daniel probably doesn’t know about the whole Widmore/Ben/Eloise connection. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-5-this-place-is-death/485401.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-5-this-place-is-death/485401.md?page=9)