# Lost 5.6 "316" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 18, 2009, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-6-316/486427 "2009-02-18T18:30:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Hampshire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hampshire/32/4887_2.png) [@Hampshire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hampshire)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-6-316/486427/101 "2009-02-19T18:08:44Z")
> [@Hampshire](#): > > I almost get the gut feeling that Widmore is behind getting them back to the island also. Maybe he hitched a ride on the plane also? > He did direct Desmond to the location of Daniel’s mother which raised Ben’s eyebrows in a “how did Widmore know where she was” sort of way. > And Frank originally was hired by and worked for Widmore. > And it is possible Widmore convinced Hurley to go back since nobody else seemed to have contact with him. > And Widmore does have enough power also to get Sayid captured and put on the plane. > Just a wild-assed-guess. I was think more about this theory and after rewatching had some more quotes to support it: At the airport- Jack: Hurley. What are you doing here, how did you know about the… Hurley: All that matters is that I’m here, right? On the plane- Hurley: Wait! Nobody told me he was going to be here! Ben: Who told you to be here Hugo? I’m also expecting the new character played by Said Taghmaoui to be one of Widmore’s men. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-6-316/486427/102 "2009-02-19T18:24:15Z")
Umm, err, there is just no way to arrange the Authorities to take a person in custody for multiple capital crimes on a jaunt to Guam. And, I also ask- Why not just hire a Charter? ---
**Author:** ![Gfactor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de053/32.png) [@Gfactor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gfactor)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-6-316/486427/103 "2009-02-19T18:28:13Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Umm, err, there is just no way to arrange the Authorities to take a person in custody for multiple capital crimes on a jaunt to Guam. But what? You can buy time-travel initiating frozen donkey wheels over the web and they ship them to you in dry ice? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-6-316/486427/104 "2009-02-19T18:30:49Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Umm, err, there is just no way to arrange the Authorities to take a person in custody for multiple capital crimes on a jaunt to Guam. What if his crime was committed (as far as the authorities know) in Guam and he’s being brought back? I’d like to hear ANY kind explanation of why Wanted Fugitive Kate has been living a perfectly normal life in L.A. for three years. She’s obviously not in hiding, seeing as how she is still going by her name. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-6-316/486427/105 "2009-02-19T18:31:18Z")
Why not hire a charter? Because, I think, they need to replicate the original circumstances, including having this be a commercial flight. > [@Wash](#): > > Frank was supposed to be the pilot for Oceanic 815. Perhaps the Island wanted Frank there, and so killed Pilot Parkman via the Smoke Monster because he wasn’t Frank? And are you speculating that Frank was supposed to be the pilot or were we told that at some point? ---
**Author:** ![HoboStew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f17d59/32.png) [@HoboStew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HoboStew)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-6-316/486427/106 "2009-02-19T18:32:37Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > And, I also ask- Why not just hire a Charter? Time is of the essence, and it takes a while to charter a plane. If there’s one already flying that way its much faster to just hop on. ---
**Author:** ![Gfactor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de053/32.png) [@Gfactor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gfactor)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-6-316/486427/107 "2009-02-19T18:32:48Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Why not hire a charter? Because, I think, they need to replicate the original circumstances, including having this be a commercial flight. > > And are you speculating that Frank was supposed to be the pilot or were we told that at some point? > [@](#): > > Frank J. Lapidus is an aircraft pilot who was originally scheduled to pilot Oceanic Airlines Flight 815. [http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Frank](http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Frank) ---
**Author:** ![fiddlesticks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddlesticks/32/18129_2.png) [@fiddlesticks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fiddlesticks)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-6-316/486427/108 "2009-02-19T18:35:57Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > And are you speculating that Frank was supposed to be the pilot or were we told that at some point? That was how we [first met Frank](http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Confirmed_Dead) in season 4…when they found the staged crash, Frank called the Oceanic hotline and said that couldn’t be 815 because he knew the pilot because he substituted for him. ETA: Gfactor wins! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Trion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ccd318/32.png) [@Trion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trion)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-6-316/486427/109 "2009-02-19T18:37:10Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > Well, that and he knows Ben well enough to know that the guy just attracts beatings. And that Ben would only lie anyway. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-6-316/486427/110 "2009-02-19T18:38:21Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > What if his crime was committed (as far as the authorities know) in Guam and he’s being brought back? > > I’d like to hear ANY kind explanation of why Wanted Fugitive Kate has been living a perfectly normal life in L.A. for three years. She’s obviously not in hiding, seeing as how she is still going by her name. But the killings were _not_ commited in Guam. Yes, they covered this, there was a hearing when she came back and she got off. ---
**Author:** ![Gfactor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de053/32.png) [@Gfactor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gfactor)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-6-316/486427/111 "2009-02-19T18:43:45Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > But the killings were _not_ commited in Guam. It’s possible some were (we only saw the beginning of his career as Ben’s gunsel). It’s also possible (I’d say likely) that she’s a fake LEO. Ben may even have received his beating from trying to capture Sayid. It’s also possible, I suppose that Ben was able to fabricate some sort of arrest warrant for Sayid and arrange his arrest, although that’s equally incongruous because he’d need an extradition hearing under most circumstances. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Orchid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/90ced4/32.png) [@The\_Orchid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Orchid)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-6-316/486427/112 "2009-02-19T18:55:39Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > So, she has sex with two guys over a 3 year span and that makes her a slut? > > Why isn’t Sawyer a “slut” for having banged Kate and Ana Lucia? > > This has to be a joke, right? I totally, totally agree with JohnT. Give Kate a frickin’ break. If I were in her position, I would have probably gave in to both Jack and Sawyer;) Anyway, calling her a “slut” is terrible, especially since it’s really not true. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Orchid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/90ced4/32.png) [@The\_Orchid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Orchid)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-6-316/486427/113 "2009-02-19T18:58:54Z")
> [@fiddlesticks](#): > > Presumably that’s one of the (many) stories being left for next week’s episode…note the posts at the top of the thread that described this and the next episode as a “two-parter” that the producers had trouble deciding on the order for. Remember when Ben’s lawyer comes up to Ben (when he was the passenger in the white van, driven by Sayid) and tells Ben that they don’t have enough to hold him (being Hurley) and that he’ll be released–or something along those lines. I’m thinking that Ben’s lawyer=Hurley’s appointed DA. I may be wrong, but that’s what I’ve been thinking. ---
**Author:** ![Gfactor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de053/32.png) [@Gfactor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gfactor)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-6-316/486427/114 "2009-02-19T19:04:01Z")
> [@The\_Orchid](#): > > Remember when Ben’s lawyer comes up to Ben (when he was the passenger in the white van, driven by Sayid) and tells Ben that they don’t have enough to hold him (being Hurley) and that he’ll be released–or something along those lines. I’m thinking that Ben’s lawyer=Hurley’s appointed DA. I may be wrong, but that’s what I’ve been thinking. That’s pretty clear, I think. The guy either showed up and represented Hurley himself (it’d be tough to pull off the DA angle, but he could show up and say he’s been retained to represent Hurley) or he simply made sure the judge dismissed the case as expected. ---
**Author:** ![Icarus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/icarus/32/72_2.png) [@Icarus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Icarus)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-6-316/486427/115 "2009-02-19T19:26:21Z")
> [@Rachael\_Rage](#): > > Woo hoo - [Said Taghmaoui](http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0846548/)!! He was in [Vantage Point](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0443274/) with Matthew Fox. So, now the LOST coincidences are extending beyond the LOST universe…:eek: ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-6-316/486427/116 "2009-02-19T19:44:48Z")
> [@Monstre](#): > > Heh… “The Lamppost”. Narnia reference, anyone? Yep that’s what I thought. Does that mean Locke=Aslan and Jack=Edmund?😃 ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-6-316/486427/117 "2009-02-19T19:45:28Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > But the killings were _not_ commited in Guam. If that’s what he’s being held for, sure. We don’t know what he’s being held for, do we? -Joe ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-6-316/486427/118 "2009-02-19T19:54:41Z")
This was a setup episode, so I’ll give it a pass on being mediocre. A few good things. - Hurley having a good heart and Ben not caring one way or the other. - Lapidus is back! And is not going to Guam after all. - Some (new?) mysterious figure built the Lamp post. Who is it?\*\* - Somehow the Others have taken the Lamp post away from Dharma AS WELL AS the Island! - Seeing Ben wet and beaten and hoping Desmond took care of business. - The acting (other than the female Wizard of Oz, she was terrible) in the episode. I thought the regulars were in peak form this episode. - The scene between Jack and Locke’s body. Eerie and funny at the same time. \*\* How many off-screen/semi-off scren “mysterious figures” are there? Jacob Whoever invented the Lamp post Alvar Hanso Magnus Hanso Karen Degroot Gerald Degroot Who else am I missing? (The Lamp Post might be built by one of the people on this list.) ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-6-316/486427/119 "2009-02-19T19:55:44Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > If that’s what he’s being held for, sure. > > We don’t know what he’s being held for, do we? > > -Joe Lost is still taking place in 2008, so the Bush Administration is still in power. The government didn’t need a reason to obtain an Iraqi and ship him to parts unknown! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![tds1273](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/df705f/32.png) [@tds1273](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tds1273)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-6-316/486427/120 "2009-02-19T20:02:31Z")
Did anyone remember to stop at the pet store? Really Jack? It just now struck you that things are weird? That you are all some how connected? Really? Was it not until after you completed your residency that you finally thought ‘Hey, the neck bone _is_ connected to the back bone, weird!’? Oh and btw, We Landed On the Moon! What if Kate is taking Claire’s place now? Was there a new Turniphead planted? DHS/TSA in the Lostiverse are really lax. An escaped mental patient who just happened to be on board for the last high profile plane crash, was recently spotted at the scene of three murders, after being released from jail immediately tries to buy up all the tickets for an international flight, and throws a fit at the ticket counter over the releasing of those tickets? I guess as long as he wasn’t planning on brushing his teeth or clipping his nails on the flight, none of that other stuff should raise any flags, huh? I’m still wondering what happened to Rose, Bernard, and Vincent. Was it just them and a bunch of redshirts left roaming on their own after the fire-arrow attack? Looking on Lostipedia, it seems as though it might not be Jin Workman, but[Jin Sheriff](http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/316#General). Hurley: “Wait, Jin is Arab? I thought he was Korean?” Sawyer: “It’s sh_e_riff, not Sh_a_riff. Fatwan.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-6-316/486427.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-6-316/486427.md?page=7)