# Lost 5.6 "316" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 18, 2009, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-6-316/486427 "2009-02-18T18:30:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-6-316/486427/141 "2009-02-20T13:39:21Z")
> [@Frylock](#): > > [raises hand] > > I thought it was cheesy writing and overwrought acting. > > [/quietly lowers hand] > > -FrL- For me, it was the “Miss Francis explains how to make a :eek: VOLCANO :eek: with baking soda and vinegar to the kiddies” tone she adopted that made it work. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-6-316/486427/142 "2009-02-20T13:44:41Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > Well, that and he knows Ben well enough to know that the guy just attracts beatings. Quibble–you misspelled “attracts _and deserves_” 😉 Has anyone read Lois McMasters Bujold’s Vokosigan stuff? Imagine if Miles were completely amoral—and on the other side. That’s what Ben reminds me of. “…you almost had me convinced. You, guard. Take him and throw him out an airlock. If he says one word to you, you have my order to cut his tongue out. It’s his most dangerous weapon.” ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-6-316/486427/143 "2009-02-20T13:48:06Z")
> [@BubbaDog](#): > > OK the Hurley thing and the seats on the plane. > > \< snip \> > > Hurley knew he couldn’t do anything about the people already holding tickets and the counter person told him that there were standbys waiting so he knew that he could save SOMEBODY by buying up all of the remaining fares at full price. > > The O6 must have been in the business of first class session and the lower class fares (which usually sell out fast) were behind them. > > The class difference could also explain the standby situation. Many people who didn’t want to pay for business or 1st class may have been familiar with the fact that the route doesn’t usually fill up except for coach and so there could have ben many standbys that Hurley pissed off but saved. And don’t forget–if I was worried about recreating the conditions of the crash, while making sure that there I saved as many people as possible, I’d also remember that there were Tailies in the original crash as well. If the tail-end is empty, the situation isn’t duplicated. Remember when Jack was drinking in the bar? There was a cute blonde eyeballing him. I wonder if somehow, she ended up on the plane in Anna Lucia’s role. ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-6-316/486427/144 "2009-02-20T13:55:12Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > For me, it was the “Miss Francis explains how to make a :eek: VOLCANO :eek: with baking soda and vinegar to the kiddies” tone she adopted that made it work. That’s part of exactly what I hated about it. Especially when one of the Losties volunteered to finish her sentence by saying “The Island?” and she practically gave the Lostie a gold star and a pat on the back, as though “the Island” wasn’t the most perfectly obvious way to finish her sentence even if you were completely clueless about everything else. If she had been explaining anything to them which justified the ‘Miss Francis explains…’ tone you mentioned, that would have been one thing. ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-6-316/486427/145 "2009-02-20T13:56:18Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > And don’t forget–if I was worried about recreating the conditions of the crash, while making sure that there I saved as many people as possible, I’d also remember that there were Tailies in the original crash as well. If the tail-end is empty, the situation isn’t duplicated. > > Remember when Jack was drinking in the bar? There was a cute blonde eyeballing him. I wonder if somehow, she ended up on the plane in Anna Lucia’s role. I noticed that they seemed to be highlighting her, but I chalked it off to a deleted scene or something. I’m still not convinced there were a lot of people on the plane. I need to review the episode… ---
**Author:** ![Algernon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a183cd/32.png) [@Algernon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algernon)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-6-316/486427/146 "2009-02-20T14:10:45Z")
> [@jackdavinci](#): > > The one thing I didn’t like was the whole “proxy” thing. I hope that’s not the only explanation for why Locke died. It’s kind of silly and so far doesn’t seem to be playing any major role in the plot. I don’t like this either. (Why it bothers me is a bit perplexing though because by all rights there should be a whole bunch of stuff that bothers me. So it goes.) Why does Locke have to die to bring them all back to the island? It seems to me that Locke being on flight 316 alive is a closer replication to flight 815 conditions than him being a dead proxy to Dr. Shepard. Find some random dead body for that. 316 can’t have a proxy for every single person on 815 anyway. Perhaps I’ll be placated with a good explanation next week as they focus on Locke’s death. Perhaps not. ---
**Author:** ![MichaelQReilly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@MichaelQReilly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MichaelQReilly)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-6-316/486427/147 "2009-02-20T14:16:54Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > So, uh, what’s with the Kate=slut thing, guys? Any time the girl has any trauma in her life she runs to the nearest guy for “comfort.” Pretty whoreish if you ask me. ---
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-6-316/486427/148 "2009-02-20T14:20:36Z")
> [@bouv](#): > > Well, she banged Sawyer on the island, and then Jack (maybe also on the island? Definitely off the island, including night before the plane trip) and she might very well be going back just to bang Sawyer some more. I am not a Kate fan but I can not fault her this. If given the opportunity I would happily be the filling in a Jack/Sawyer sandwich. Hell, I’d even take on Desmond, Jin, Miles and Daniel. Okay, not all at once, I’m not as young as I once was. Some things unanswered but I think we are supposed to make the obvious conclusion; 1. Charlie’s ghost appeared to Hurley again, hence why Hurley knew which flight to take and why he had a guitar case. (Of course it could be full of twinkies but then again, Occam’s Razor and all). 2. Kate gave Aaron to Claire’s mother. She knew it would not be safe to take him back to the island and she left him with family. Perhaps Claire’s “ghost” appeared to her again and told her that Kate had to return to the island but she did not want her to bring Aaron. Kate didn’t want to talk about it because she had been raising the child as her own for three years and she was a bit attached to him so it was just too painful to explain. You know, it’s complicated. I was a bit bothered by the comparisons of Locke to Jesus in this episode (okay not directly but it was implied) and in the previews it even looked like someone was kneeling down in front of Locke (Ben, maybe?) as he got on the chair to hang himself. He was also surrounded by light. A bit too weird for me. ---
**Author:** ![Gfactor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de053/32.png) [@Gfactor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gfactor)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-6-316/486427/149 "2009-02-20T14:31:42Z")
> [@Wile\_E](#): > > I was a bit bothered by the comparisons of Locke to Jesus in this episode (okay not directly but it was implied) and in the previews it even looked like someone was kneeling down in front of Locke (Ben, maybe?) as he got on the chair to hang himself. He was also surrounded by light. A bit too weird for me. It also looks like we are in for a full-on resurrection once Locke’s body reaches the island. ---
**Author:** ![MichaelQReilly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@MichaelQReilly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MichaelQReilly)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-6-316/486427/150 "2009-02-20T14:32:40Z")
Also, if we could maybe add this link to the ones in the weekly OP, the episode recaps are usually really good and in-depth (no spoilers either): [http://www.ew.com/ew/package/0,,1550612\_20247060,00.html](http://www.ew.com/ew/package/0,,1550612_20247060,00.html) ---
**Author:** ![MichaelQReilly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@MichaelQReilly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MichaelQReilly)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-6-316/486427/151 "2009-02-20T14:34:12Z")
> [@Gfactor](#): > > It also looks like we are in for a full-on resurrection once Locke’s body reaches the island. Yeah, it looks to me like we are being set up for Jack as the Doubting Thomas who will be converted to a man of faith when Locke is resurected. ---
**Author:** ![MichaelQReilly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@MichaelQReilly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MichaelQReilly)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-6-316/486427/152 "2009-02-20T14:43:23Z")
Oops. I forgot to spoiler tag that last post. I pm’d a mod to have them fix it. ---
**Author:** ![Gfactor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de053/32.png) [@Gfactor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gfactor)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-6-316/486427/153 "2009-02-20T14:49:47Z")
Actually, according to the OP: “Information about this week’s episode’s “next week” teasers will be unboxed.” So I should not have boxed mine. Nevertheless, I think we’re better safe than sorry, so I went ahead and fixed it for you. ---
**Author:** ![mshar253](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/6de8d8/32.png) [@mshar253](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mshar253)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-6-316/486427/154 "2009-02-20T15:52:23Z")
I have a question that I don’t think has been brought up, and about which I had forgotten until now: Ben, I think, asked Jack at some point if he knew that Locke had killed himself, and Jack said no. But, in the season 3 finale when Jack is reading the obituary, wasn’t the obit visible enough that websites were able to post it online, zoomed in? And didn’t the obit say that he had hanged himself? Even more, I think there might have been a point where Ben said something to Jack like, “They don’t usually put obituaries in the paper when someone kills himself…” I could be mis-remembering that, though. I don’t have time to watch the episode again, but does anyone remember either of these strange things in Wednesday’s episode? ---
**Author:** ![Gfactor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de053/32.png) [@Gfactor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gfactor)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-6-316/486427/155 "2009-02-20T16:07:53Z")
The article did say it was “deemed a suicide.” [http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/2007/05/newspaper-through-looking-glass.html](http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/2007/05/newspaper-through-looking-glass.html) I think Mrs. Hawking said something to the effect that they leave the details out in the case of a suicide. Jack should have known that the obit said it was a suicide, although he may have doubted it. He also should have known that Locke hung himself. Even if the obit hadn’s said so, if he’d checked out the body, he could probably tell, what with his medical training and all. ETA: Ben is a big fat liar, so I don’t think we can put much credence in what he says. And to correct my original statement that the obit didn’t say Locke was found hanging. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-6-316/486427/156 "2009-02-20T17:06:11Z")
If Hurley is the one ethical person (Odd isn’t it, that so many of the Losties on that plane are murderers- Ben, Sayid, Kate, ??) then when he saw all the innocents in the back, why not just go refuse to fly, based upon the chance that maybe that means the plane won’t crash? That’s what I’d do. ---
**Author:** ![fachverwirrt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/94ad74/32.png) [@fachverwirrt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fachverwirrt)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-6-316/486427/157 "2009-02-20T17:30:53Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > If Hurley is the one ethical person (Odd isn’t it, that so many of the Losties on that plane are murderers- Ben, Sayid, Kate, ??) then when he saw all the innocents in the back, why not just go refuse to fly, based upon the chance that maybe that means the plane won’t crash? That’s what I’d do. We don’t know what he was told to get him on the plane. Maybe the argument was compelling enough to make the sacrifice worth it. Perhaps the consequences of not getting back to the island are so disastrous that the potential loss of life on the plane is mild by comparison. Or maybe he’s just crazy. ---
**Author:** ![Mama\_Zappa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/71e660/32.png) [@Mama\_Zappa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mama_Zappa)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-6-316/486427/158 "2009-02-20T17:40:54Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > One meaning of _Hajira_ (or Hijra or Hegira) is migration–most commonly, when Muhammed & his followers left Mecca for Medina. > > This [Wikipedia entry](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijra) offers numerous definitions. Why settle for just one? I _think_ (but could be wrong) that the airline name is “Ajira” (no leading H). May still have meaning - especially with the similarity to Hegira. ---
**Author:** ![Gfactor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de053/32.png) [@Gfactor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gfactor)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-6-316/486427/159 "2009-02-20T17:59:39Z")
> [@Mama\_Zappa](#): > > I _think_ (but could be wrong) that the airline name is “Ajira” (no leading H). May still have meaning - especially with the similarity to Hegira. No. You are correct: [http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Ajira\_Airways\_Flight\_316](http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Ajira_Airways_Flight_316) ---
**Author:** ![well\_he\_s\_back](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/3ab097/32.png) [@well\_he\_s\_back](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/well_he_s_back)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-6-316/486427/160 "2009-02-20T20:36:20Z")
Loose ends I really want cleared Up: -Why some people flash through time and some don’t. Juliet is time traveling with the losties. Why? -What about the children - from the plane; Walt; Jin & Sun’s baby; Aaron; baby Charlie. Surely some of them are special like Walt was. -Why does Ms Hawking work with Ben and Widmore, which I think she does. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-6-316/486427.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-6-316/486427.md?page=9)