# Lost 5.7 "The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham"
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-7-the-life-and-death-of-jeremy-bentham/487396
**Category:** Cafe Society
**Created:** [February 25, 2009, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-7-the-life-and-death-of-jeremy-bentham/487396 "2009-02-25T18:43:40Z")
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### Author:  [@Trion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trion)
#### Post date: [February 25, 2009, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-7-the-life-and-death-of-jeremy-bentham/487396/1 "2009-02-25T18:43:40Z")
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From the on-line description for tonight’s episode:
**The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham**
Locke’s mission off the island as Jeremy is revealed.
**Some useful Café Society links are given below:**
Thread index for Season 1 Episodes: [1](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=277083) [2](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=278382) [3](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=279542) [4](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=280792) [5](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=281998) [6](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=283328) [7](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=284665) [8](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=285925) [9](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=287237) [10](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=289514) [11](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=290718) [12](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=295320) [13](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=296591) [14](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=297760) [15](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=301602) [16](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=302710) [17](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=303909) [18](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=304986) [19](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=309511) [20](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=310613) [21](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=315048) [22](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=316088) [23](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=317139) [24](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=318051)
Thread index for Season 2 Episodes: [1](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=335991) [2](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=337167) [3](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=338307) [4](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=339366) [5](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=340432) [6](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=343878) [7](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=345144) [8](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=346239) [9](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=347177) [10](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=353542) [11](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=354691) [12](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=355716) [13](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=357834) [14](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=359015) [15](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=361048) [16](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=363982) [17](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=365010) [18](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=366081) [19](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=367064) [20](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=370033) [21](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=371010) [22](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=371991)
Thread index for Season 3 episodes: [1](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=390771) [2](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=391722) [3](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=392661) [4](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=393629) [5](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=394542) [6](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=395368) [7](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=407398) [8](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=408446) [9](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=409378) [10](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=410362) [11](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=411321) [12](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=412292) [13](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=413323) [14](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=414347) [15](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=415259) [16](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=416195) [17](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=417197) [18](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=418222) [19](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=419145) [20](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=420116) [21](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=421113) [22](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=421996)
Thread index for Season 4 episodes: [1](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=453462) [2](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=454618) [3](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=455630) [4](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=456811) [5](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=457801) [6](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=458668) [7](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=459619) [8](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=460501) [9](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=465277) [10](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=466249) [11](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=467236) [12](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=468178)
Thread index for Season 5 episodes [1-2](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=502879) [3](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=504002) [4](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=505081) [5](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=506072) [6](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=507159)
[The Official Lost Jargon Thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=286221)
Official “Lost” Questions Thread[Season 1](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=284542), [Season 2](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=336040), [Season 3](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=390739)
**Here are some interesting external links:**
[The Tail Section](http://www.thetailsection.com/): Excellent site for still frame photos of key scenes, along with some good analysis. But… beware of spoilers!
[Sledgeweb’s Lost… Stuff](http://lost.cubit.net/): Pretty good site, but again beware of spoilers. I use it mainly for the Timeline section, which is an incredibly detailed breakdown of “how long since…?” for almost anything you can think of (pre- and post-plane crash).
[Door Map from Episode 2.17](http://www.thetailsection.com/uploaded_images/cleanwall-707484.jpg). A nicely cleaned up version of the diagram Locke saw while pinned under the lockdown doors. No spoilers.
[Lostpedia](http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Main_Page): The wikipedia of Lost information. Quite a comprehensive site, but beware of spoilers!
## [ThEmIsFiTiShErE](http://themisfitishere.blogspot.com/): The Misfit offers his whacky commentary on “Lost”. Is he a nut-case or a clever insider? Careful, though, possible spoilers.
Wednesday. John Locke turns the wheel of fortune and Vanna White shows him the fabulous new life he’s won as a guy named Jeremy Bentham. Only it doesn’t last long and he winds up dead. What happens in beween? Find out tonight. Probably.
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### Author:  [@Camelot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Camelot)
#### Post date: [February 25, 2009, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-7-the-life-and-death-of-jeremy-bentham/487396/2 "2009-02-25T20:03:30Z")
Wiki entry on the real [Jeremy Bentham](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Bentham).
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### Author:  [@Johnny\_Q](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Q)
#### Post date: [February 25, 2009, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-7-the-life-and-death-of-jeremy-bentham/487396/3 "2009-02-25T20:32:00Z")
I suppose this is when we discover he was only “slightly dead.”
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### Author:  [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)
#### Post date: [February 26, 2009, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-7-the-life-and-death-of-jeremy-bentham/487396/4 "2009-02-26T02:06:07Z")
Well, looks like Flight 316 did crash (or at least end up entirely on the island). Although from that overhead shot, it looked pretty intact. Emergency landing? Looks like a lot of survivors.
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### Author:  [@Gfactor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gfactor)
#### Post date: [February 26, 2009, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-7-the-life-and-death-of-jeremy-bentham/487396/5 "2009-02-26T02:08:41Z")
> [@Monstre](#):
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> Well, looks like Flight 316 did crash (or at least end up entirely on the island). Although from that overhead shot, it looked pretty intact. Emergency landing? Looks like a lot of survivors.
And Jack, Kate, and Hurley are the ones who disappeared. 😉
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### Author:  [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)
#### Post date: [February 26, 2009, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-7-the-life-and-death-of-jeremy-bentham/487396/6 "2009-02-26T02:13:33Z")
Well, Locke ended up in the desert, too. Was it Tunisia where Ben landed after his Wheel Mitzvah?
Ooooh! Abbadon’s Medic Tent… And now here’s the boss man. Hi Charles!
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### Author:  [@Gfactor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gfactor)
#### Post date: [February 26, 2009, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-7-the-life-and-death-of-jeremy-bentham/487396/7 "2009-02-26T02:14:33Z")
I knew it! Ben tricked Widmore into leaving. 😉
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### Author:  [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)
#### Post date: [February 26, 2009, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-7-the-life-and-death-of-jeremy-bentham/487396/8 "2009-02-26T02:16:31Z")
Weird. Charles wants Locke to succeed in bringing his friends back, and also Ben wants to make sure the O6 gets back. So why do they both want that?
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### Author:  [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)
#### Post date: [February 26, 2009, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-7-the-life-and-death-of-jeremy-bentham/487396/9 "2009-02-26T02:17:54Z")
Is Caesar the guy from Three Kings? The “my main man” guy who tortured Mark Wahlberg?
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### Author:  [@Gfactor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gfactor)
#### Post date: [February 26, 2009, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-7-the-life-and-death-of-jeremy-bentham/487396/10 "2009-02-26T02:18:06Z")
> [@Monstre](#):
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> Weird. Charles wants Locke to succeed in bringing his friends back, and also Ben wants to make sure the O6 gets back. So why do they both want that?
Well, maybe that’s just it. Widmore wants Locke back; Ben wants the Oceanic 6 back. Different people, same trip?
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### Author:  [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)
#### Post date: [February 26, 2009, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-7-the-life-and-death-of-jeremy-bentham/487396/11 "2009-02-26T02:22:32Z")
If you need to reach me, just press 2-3. More of the numbers.
Widmore: “I haven’t tried to kill you. Can you say the same for him?” heh
Back to the wheelchair.
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### Author:  [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)
#### Post date: [February 26, 2009, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-7-the-life-and-death-of-jeremy-bentham/487396/12 "2009-02-26T02:26:39Z")
It’s Waaaaaaaaalt! Looks like it’s been more than 3 years for him.
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### Author:  [@well\_he\_s\_back](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/well_he_s_back)
#### Post date: [February 26, 2009, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-7-the-life-and-death-of-jeremy-bentham/487396/13 "2009-02-26T02:27:10Z")
So why did Widmore say he thought Locke was special? Why is Locke so touchy with Abbadon?
Me, I just don’t trust Widmore. Why should I believe he was ever leader of the others? I really think he’s just as manipulative as Ben.
Oh and I just need to mention I love Sayid in this episode so far.
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### Author:  [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)
#### Post date: [February 26, 2009, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-7-the-life-and-death-of-jeremy-bentham/487396/14 "2009-02-26T02:33:41Z")
Hurley: “I see dead people…”
(about Abbadon): “He’s evil!”
Hahaha – Hurley is awesome…
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### Author:  [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)
#### Post date: [February 26, 2009, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-7-the-life-and-death-of-jeremy-bentham/487396/15 "2009-02-26T02:39:44Z")
Wow. So much for Evil Abbadon!
Guess Ben got him…
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### Author:  [@mshar253](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mshar253)
#### Post date: [February 26, 2009, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-7-the-life-and-death-of-jeremy-bentham/487396/16 "2009-02-26T02:43:46Z")
It would be great if lostpedia weren’t down, since I have hardly any memory of who Helen Norwood is. I remember Locke talking to someone – the phone sex operator – named Helen back in the first season, but I have a feeling there was more. Was there every a Helen Norwood-centric episode? Was she involved in that weird pot-farm episode from the beginning of season 3?
Also, how long has lostpedia been down? Is it only a temporary thing?
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### Author:  [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)
#### Post date: [February 26, 2009, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-7-the-life-and-death-of-jeremy-bentham/487396/17 "2009-02-26T02:47:40Z")
> [@mshar253](#):
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> It would be great if lostpedia weren’t down, since I have hardly any memory of who Helen Norwood is. I remember Locke talking to someone – the phone sex operator – named Helen back in the first season, but I have a feeling there was more. Was there every a Helen Norwood-centric episode? Was she involved in that weird pot-farm episode from the beginning of season 3?
>
> Also, how long has lostpedia been down? Is it only a temporary thing?
Helen was Locke’s girlfriend - I think he met her in some group therapy setting, after he was conned by his father but before he lost use of his legs. She was played by Leela/Peg Bundy (what’s her name?), and they broke up because Locke was obsessed with getting justice from his father. I assume that Locke asked the phone sex operator to call herself “Helen” because of her. Don’t know about Lostpedia, sorry.
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### Author:  [@Gfactor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gfactor)
#### Post date: [February 26, 2009, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-7-the-life-and-death-of-jeremy-bentham/487396/18 "2009-02-26T02:53:26Z")
> [@Gfactor](#):
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> Well, maybe that’s just it. Widmore wants Locke back; Ben wants the Oceanic 6 back. Different people, same trip?
Nope. I’m wrong. Or Ben is conning Locke.
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### Author:  [@Gfactor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gfactor)
#### Post date: [February 26, 2009, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-7-the-life-and-death-of-jeremy-bentham/487396/19 "2009-02-26T02:56:38Z")
> [@Gfactor](#):
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> Or Ben is conning Locke.
🙂
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### Author:  [@well\_he\_s\_back](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/well_he_s_back)
#### Post date: [February 26, 2009, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-7-the-life-and-death-of-jeremy-bentham/487396/20 "2009-02-26T02:58:06Z")
whoa! oooh evil Ben is back…if indeed he ever left.
and apparently Jin being alive is, uh, important.
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