# Lost 5.9 "Namaste" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 18, 2009, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-9-namaste/489913 "2009-03-18T18:05:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![randwill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a3d4f5/32.png) [@randwill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/randwill)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2009, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-9-namaste/489913/41 "2009-03-19T13:30:01Z")
Have I got this right? Jack, Kate, Hurley and Sayid landed, sans plane, on the main island in 1977. Sun, Ben and the rest of the passengers landed, in the plane, on the second island in the present day. ---
**Author:** ![Hampshire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hampshire/32/4887_2.png) [@Hampshire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hampshire)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2009, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-9-namaste/489913/42 "2009-03-19T13:40:32Z")
> [@randwill](#): > > Have I got this right? Jack, Kate, Hurley and Sayid landed, sans plane, on the main island in 1977. Sun, Ben and the rest of the passengers landed, in the plane, on the second island in the present day. Yep. I did kind of suspect it when a couple of episodes ago two of the plane crash survivors (Caesar and the other gal) were poking around inside a Dahrma station and it was abandoned. If they were in 1977 I think they would have found Dahrma people there. Add to that the fact that Ben knew where the boats were located (present day). It would have been a lucky guess to find boats there in 1977. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2009, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-9-namaste/489913/43 "2009-03-19T13:41:11Z")
> [@randwill](#): > > Have I got this right? Jack, Kate, Hurley and Sayid landed, sans plane, on the main island in 1977. Sun, Ben and the rest of the passengers landed, in the plane, on the second island in the present day. Correct–and that makes little-to-no sense as we understand things–Sun (and probably Lepetius) should be back with the O6. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2009, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-9-namaste/489913/44 "2009-03-19T13:42:33Z")
> [@Hampshire](#): > > Don’t these memories change as people in the past alter the past? > Remember Desmond had no memory of talking to Faraday until Faraday actually talked to him in the past. Then suddenly (in present time) the memory just manifested in Desmonds head. > I wonder if Ben will have this instantaneous “new” memory of Sayid. It depends: if Faraday’s right and “What happened, happened”, then no. If he’s wrong (and he was with Desmond) then “Yes.” ---
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2009, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-9-namaste/489913/45 "2009-03-19T14:35:04Z")
**ChuckForbin** hit on an interesting point… Perhaps Ben didn’t time warp into 1977 because he can’t, as there is already a Ben taking up space in the 1977 island. If that is true, is it possible that Sun is also on the 1977 island as a teenager and that’s why she didn’t warp either? ---
**Author:** ![Dogzilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@Dogzilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dogzilla)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2009, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-9-namaste/489913/46 "2009-03-19T14:44:48Z")
> [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](#): > > How so? According to Faraday (and we have no reason not to believe him, plus it makes sense), whatever happened has always happened. Ben would always have met Sayid when he was a kid, because the survivors will always have traveled back through time to that point. Just like there would be no way for Sawyer to stop the Purge, because it already happened. I think our Losties will be directly involved in the purge. Ben will manipulate them all into helping him, so they’ll live through it as well. They _have_ to, because otherwise they wouldn’t show up in the 2004-2007 story lines. The question for me is who will end up on which side? We’re bound to lose at least one more major character – as has been suggested on spoiler sites, but it also just stands to reason. You can’t get through a season of Lost without offing some of the players, right? God forbid we lose Sawyer though… But I think it’s entirely possible that our Losties shift from being Dharmites to being Others. And Sun rocks. She did exactly the same thing to Ben that Ben did to Locke: get the information she needed out of him and then WHACK! “I lied.” :: snerk :: I agree that Sawyer is the best leader out of the lot: Locke, Jack, Kate, even Sayid. ---
**Author:** ![Flander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8c91f0/32.png) [@Flander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flander)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2009, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-9-namaste/489913/47 "2009-03-19T14:46:25Z")
Is it just me, or does Juliet look to be about 6’4"? She looks like she could kick the living shit out of Kate. I liked the episode. What I didn’t like is the amount of commercial breaks they threw in. It was every two minutes! ---
**Author:** ![StarvingButStrong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/starvingbutstrong/32/335_2.png) [@StarvingButStrong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StarvingButStrong)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2009, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-9-namaste/489913/48 "2009-03-19T14:47:34Z")
> [@Meltdown](#): > > A small detail – sometime along his walk with Sun, Ben casually took off the sling he had on (which I believe he had on when he got on the plane, apparently injured in some kind of altercation that hasn’t been explained to us yet). At first I thought this was some kind of male bravado “this thing is slowing me down” kind of thing. On second thought, I wonder – did the island heal him of his injuries he had before he crashed, just as it did Locke? It also seemed to me that Sun’s facial injuries were larger/fresher/brighter colored than they were in the scene when she clocked Ben. I’m not sure if that should be put down to the island healing her or the dislike of making a beautiful actress less beautiful. OTOH, the island doesn’t seem to have cured Ben superfast after Sun’s headbashing. (Now I’m drawing a blank – who was it that got escorted to see Ben among the wounded?) ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2009, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-9-namaste/489913/49 "2009-03-19T14:58:01Z")
As usual, Hurley had the best lines: “So what’s up with you guys in the old DHARMA jumpsuits?” “It’s 1977” “uhhh…what?” “Dude your English is awesome!” If Jack is the “Workman” what’s Ben’s dad doing? Or can we assume there is more than one janitor? ---
**Author:** ![borschevsky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/97f17d/32.png) [@borschevsky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/borschevsky)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2009, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-9-namaste/489913/50 "2009-03-19T15:04:13Z")
> [@ZipperJJ](#): > > **ChuckForbin** hit on an interesting point… > > Perhaps Ben didn’t time warp into 1977 because he can’t, as there is already a Ben taking up space in the 1977 island. > > If that is true, is it possible that Sun is also on the 1977 island as a teenager and that’s why she didn’t warp either? I seem to remember that we have been shown Sun’s birthday as 1980, but I’m not sure where I’m remembering that from. I don’t think the Losties will be around for the Purge, since it’s still 15 years from when they are now. It seems more likely that they’ll be involved in the “incident”, which should be coming up soon in the timeline. Hopefully they’ll end up giving an explanation for why Sun didn’t flash with the rest of the O6. One reason I can think of is that she wasn’t standing in for any of the passengers on the original flight: Jack = Jack, escorting a body Sayid = Kate, in custody Hurley = Charlie, with guitar Kate = Claire, pregnant with Christian’s grandchild (:eek:) ---
**Author:** ![StarvingButStrong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/starvingbutstrong/32/335_2.png) [@StarvingButStrong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StarvingButStrong)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2009, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-9-namaste/489913/51 "2009-03-19T15:08:25Z")
> [@StarvingButStrong](#): > > Locke. Something strange is going on with post 48. It was _originally_ my me, and I posted that it looked to me that Sun’s facial injuries were noticeably improved in the time between she heads off into the jungle after Ben and the time they arrive at the beach. I added that Ben’s headwounds (presumably from Sun’s bashing) didn’t seem to be healing at a miraculous rate, given his appearance in the ‘wounded ward’ an episode or two ago. Then I asked who it was that had been taken to see Ben. All that has vanished and now the post has part of my message being a quote from someone else, followed by ‘me’ answering my own question. Has someone been fiddling with the Donkey Wheel? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![fiddlesticks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddlesticks/32/18129_2.png) [@fiddlesticks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fiddlesticks)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2009, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-9-namaste/489913/52 "2009-03-19T15:11:20Z")
> [@ZipperJJ](#): > > **ChuckForbin** hit on an interesting point… > > Perhaps Ben didn’t time warp into 1977 because he can’t, as there is already a Ben taking up space in the 1977 island. There is no confirmation yet, but strong evidence points to Miles being Marvin Candle/Edgar Haliwax/Dr. Chang’s baby son who we saw in the season premiere before the “incident” at the Orchid (Marvin got a nosebleed during the flashes). We know that must have happened before 1977 because Faraday is apparently gone at that point. So island doubles are possible, it would seem. ---
**Author:** ![Trion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ccd318/32.png) [@Trion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trion)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2009, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-9-namaste/489913/53 "2009-03-19T15:13:15Z")
> [@fiddlesticks](#): > > There is no confirmation yet, but strong evidence points to Miles being Marvin Candle/Edgar Haliwax/Dr. Chang’s baby son who we saw in the season premiere before the “incident” at the Orchid (Marvin got a nosebleed during the flashes). We know that must have happened before 1977 because Faraday is apparently gone at that point. So island doubles are possible, it would seem. That could be a problem. The time travelling bunnies weren’t supposed to touch. Maybe Miles touching his younger self is “the incident”. ---
**Author:** ![Whiteknight](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whiteknight/32/4962_2.png) [@Whiteknight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whiteknight)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2009, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-9-namaste/489913/54 "2009-03-19T15:17:40Z")
> [@borschevsky](#): > > I seem to remember that we have been shown Sun’s birthday as 1980, but I’m not sure where I’m remembering that from. It was on the grave marker in Korea. One side listed Jin’s DOB and (supposed) DOD, the other had Sun’s DOB. 1980 is correct. ---
**Author:** ![Gfactor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de053/32.png) [@Gfactor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gfactor)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2009, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-9-namaste/489913/55 "2009-03-19T15:18:01Z")
> [@StarvingButStrong](#): > > Has someone been fiddling with the Donkey Wheel? 😃 Damn Dharma beer. Yeah. I screwed it up big time by hitting the wrong button and not paying attention to what I was doing. Sorry. Gfactor Messed Up Moderator ETA: I tried to put it back the way it was. If it’s still not right, please let me know. Again, sorry. ---
**Author:** ![2nd\_Law](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/2/f475e1/32.png) [@2nd\_Law](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/2nd_Law)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2009, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-9-namaste/489913/56 "2009-03-19T15:20:08Z")
At this point, I’m not convinced that Sun, Ben, and company are in the present – the way the island has been bouncing folks around, they could conceivably be in the future. ---
**Author:** ![Hampshire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hampshire/32/4887_2.png) [@Hampshire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hampshire)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2009, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-9-namaste/489913/57 "2009-03-19T15:20:57Z")
> [@Dogzilla](#): > > I think our Losties will be directly involved in the purge. Ben will manipulate them all into helping him, so they’ll live through it as well. They _have_ to, because otherwise they wouldn’t show up in the 2004-2007 story lines. The question for me is who will end up on which side? I doubt they’ll be around for the purge. That would require them to be around another 15 years and age 15 years. I can’t see that happening. I expect them to find a way back to the present inside of a years time. ---
**Author:** ![borschevsky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/97f17d/32.png) [@borschevsky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/borschevsky)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2009, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-9-namaste/489913/58 "2009-03-19T15:22:35Z")
Except there was that “Thirty Years Earlier” shown when the show went from the plane to the Dharma people. ---
**Author:** ![StarvingButStrong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/starvingbutstrong/32/335_2.png) [@StarvingButStrong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StarvingButStrong)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2009, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-9-namaste/489913/59 "2009-03-19T15:23:14Z")
> [@Gfactor](#): > > Damn Dharma beer. Yeah. I screwed it up big time by hitting the wrong button and not paying attention to what I was doing. Sorry. > > Gfactor > Messed Up Moderator No problem. It just struck me as weird, and weirdly appropriate in a thread about whether one can change the past. The answer is apparantly ‘yes.’ 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Gfactor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de053/32.png) [@Gfactor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gfactor)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2009, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-9-namaste/489913/60 "2009-03-19T15:26:27Z")
> [@StarvingButStrong](#): > > No problem. It just struck me as weird, and weirdly appropriate in a thread about whether one can change the past. > > The answer is apparantly ‘yes.’ 😃 The really weird thing was I managed to edit the post in such a way that I also mangled the edit-trail. This show does not mix well with moderating. G [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-9-namaste/489913.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-9-namaste/489913.md?page=4)