# Lost 5.9 "Namaste" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 18, 2009, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-9-namaste/489913 "2009-03-18T18:05:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![MichaelQReilly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@MichaelQReilly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MichaelQReilly)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2009, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-9-namaste/489913/121 "2009-03-20T12:48:01Z")
> [@fiddlesticks](#): > > In last night’s episode Christian seemed to be more than simply a ghost or vision because he pulled the picture off the wall and showed it to Sun & Lapidus…but earlier when Locke asked if he could help him get up after he suffered the compound fracture at the bottom of the well Christian said he couldn’t help him. One has to believe that Locke is now the same “thing” as Christian. Another question…is Jacob the same type of being as Christian or something else entirely? I think that scene has more to do with the metaphor of the sacrifice (his death) that Locke is going to have to do on his own, rather than anything to do with Christian’s physical nature. ---
**Author:** ![Keweenaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/da6949/32.png) [@Keweenaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Keweenaw)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2009, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-9-namaste/489913/122 "2009-03-20T12:52:11Z")
> [@Keweenaw](#): > > Who was in the room with Sun, Lapidus, and Christian Shepard when he was showing them the 1977 Darmha new recruits photo? Apparently this might have been a production mistake. [http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Namaste/Theories#Person\_Visible\_Behind\_Sun\_In\_Barracks](http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Namaste/Theories#Person_Visible_Behind_Sun_In_Barracks) ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2009, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-9-namaste/489913/123 "2009-03-20T13:17:15Z")
> [@MichaelQReilly](#): > > That guy played a doucebag on Mad Men. It looks like they are setting him up to be the same here. That guy is Patrick Fischler, he always plays a doucebag. Typecasting is a bitch, but it pays the bills because weasely evil ratmen will always be in demand. [http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0279209/](http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0279209/) ---
**Author:** ![Icarus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/icarus/32/72_2.png) [@Icarus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Icarus)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2009, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-9-namaste/489913/124 "2009-03-20T15:15:45Z")
Just wanted to jump in and say… …so, I guess we’re done with Rose & Bernard? …what has Richard Alpert and his gang been up to for the last three years (in current island time)? ---
**Author:** ![well\_he\_s\_back](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/3ab097/32.png) [@well\_he\_s\_back](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/well_he_s_back)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2009, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-9-namaste/489913/125 "2009-03-20T15:29:38Z")
Just wondering … why does Locke want to be the leader of that murdering, kidnapping bunch of Others anyway? ---
**Author:** ![Hampshire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hampshire/32/4887_2.png) [@Hampshire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hampshire)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2009, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-9-namaste/489913/126 "2009-03-20T15:34:22Z")
> [@Icarus](#): > > …so, I guess we’re done with Rose & Bernard? To me that’s been the achille’s heel of the show and has always been a hard pill to swallow. During the first 101 days on the island our small group of main characters have been running around finding new places and new people while all these other survivors just did what? Sit on their hands? And now 3 years have past with 6 people leaving the island and a few others living with the Dharmaites. Beach survivors anyone? What have they been doing the past 3 years? More sitting on their hands? ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2009, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-9-namaste/489913/127 "2009-03-20T15:36:48Z")
> [@Hampshire](#): > > > [@Icarus](#): > > > > …so, I guess we’re done with Rose & Bernard? > > To me that’s been the achille’s heel of the show and has always been a hard pill to swallow. > > During the first 101 days on the island our small group of main characters have been running around finding new places and new people while all these other survivors just did what? Sit on their hands? > > And now 3 years have past with 6 people leaving the island and a few others living with the Dharmaites. Beach survivors anyone? What have they been doing the past 3 years? More sitting on their hands? It’s assumed that every other unnamed survivor of Oceanic 815 was killed. But still, where the hell are Rose and Bernard? They had names dammit! And they were awesome! [Bernard will send you to hell if you cross him! That’s his job!](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holland_Manners) ---
**Author:** ![Hampshire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hampshire/32/4887_2.png) [@Hampshire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hampshire)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2009, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-9-namaste/489913/128 "2009-03-20T15:53:54Z")
> [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > It’s assumed that every other unnamed survivor of Oceanic 815 was killed. But still, where the hell are Rose and Bernard? They had names dammit! And they were awesome! Not according to Lostpedia: “36 of the total 71 initial survivors of the crash are either known to have died or presumed to have died during the the main timeline of events on the Island. That leaves as many as 35 remaining survivors (possibly more if some of the presumed dead characters are actually alive); however, 13 of them have been absorbed by the Others and are rarely seen.” ---
**Author:** ![MichaelQReilly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@MichaelQReilly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MichaelQReilly)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2009, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-9-namaste/489913/129 "2009-03-20T16:00:21Z")
> [@Hampshire](#): > > Not according to Lostpedia: > > “36 of the total 71 initial survivors of the crash are either known to have died or presumed to have died during the the main timeline of events on the Island. That leaves as many as 35 remaining survivors (possibly more if some of the presumed dead characters are actually alive); however, 13 of them have been absorbed by the Others and are rarely seen.” I think the producers said in a podcast that the arrow attack killed the rest of the crash survivors on the beach. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2009, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-9-namaste/489913/130 "2009-03-20T16:29:00Z")
> [@MichaelQReilly](#): > > I think the producers said in a podcast that the arrow attack killed the rest of the crash survivors on the beach. Are we supposed to be fairly confident that that Flaming Arrow Gang is Ceasar’s group? -Joe ---
**Author:** ![drastic\_quench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e36b37/32.png) [@drastic\_quench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drastic_quench)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2009, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-9-namaste/489913/131 "2009-03-20T16:34:42Z")
> [@MichaelQReilly](#): > > That guy played a doucebag on Mad Men. It looks like they are setting him up to be the same here. That’s where I’ve seen him before! Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![well\_he\_s\_back](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/3ab097/32.png) [@well\_he\_s\_back](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/well_he_s_back)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2009, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-9-namaste/489913/132 "2009-03-20T16:42:03Z")
Why would Caesar’s group want to attack them with flaming arrows? ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2009, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-9-namaste/489913/133 "2009-03-20T16:42:35Z")
> [@ChuckForbin](#): > > We don’t know that the baby is Miles. > I still think the island is protecting against a person being there twice - keeping Ben out of 1977, and apparently Sun too. > For all we know the baby could be Sun. Regard of whether or not Miles is Pierre’s son, we know that he was on the island at some point before because he got nosebleeds before Juliet. > [@Icarus](#): > > Just wanted to jump in and say… > > …so, I guess we’re done with Rose & Bernard? I don’t think we are done with them. They might be dead, but we’re gonna find out eventually what happened to them. Especially because they were with Vincent, and remember that they found Vincent’s leash back at the beach. My guess is either they died, becoming Adam and Eve, or that they joined the hostiles. ---
**Author:** ![MakeSweetPassionateSenseToMe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3e96dc/32.png) [@MakeSweetPassionateSenseToMe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MakeSweetPassionateSenseToMe)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2009, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-9-namaste/489913/134 "2009-03-20T16:46:36Z")
> [@MichaelQReilly](#): > > I think that scene has more to do with the metaphor of the sacrifice (his death) that Locke is going to have to do on his own, rather than anything to do with Christian’s physical nature. I have adhered to the mindset for some time that most of the “risen dead” on the show are in fact a manifestation of ol’ Smokie. This is evidenced (to me at least) by the onset of whispers before smokie’s appearances as well as whispers appearing before Juliet’s interaction with the dead psychiatrist in season 3, and now Christian’s appearance in the last episode. Also, Smokie seems to be able to scan our Losties (and presumably anyone else) for information, and Dr. Shepard the senior seems to have an awful lot of that, not to mention a direct connection to Jacob and an ability to appear wherever he is needed, especially near Dharma stations, which from the Blast Door Map, seem to be relatively close to Cerberus Vents. Of Course, I very well may be thinking WAY too much into all of this and Dr. Shepard Sr. may in fact be up and walking around, but I seem to remember hearing from Cuse and Lindelof that those who were dead on the show remained as such, (Locke excepted apparently) ---
**Author:** ![well\_he\_s\_back](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/3ab097/32.png) [@well\_he\_s\_back](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/well_he_s_back)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2009, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-9-namaste/489913/135 "2009-03-20T17:02:00Z")
Sorry - just thought of something else: Wouldn’t Sawyer, Juliet, et al now feel a bit closer and have a bit more loyalty to people they’ve now spent 3 Years with as opposed to Jack, Kate, etc., who they spent, what, 4 Months with [in “Lost” time]? ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2009, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-9-namaste/489913/136 "2009-03-20T17:41:17Z")
> [@Hampshire](#): > > Not according to Lostpedia: > > “36 of the total 71 initial survivors of the crash are either known to have died or presumed to have died during the the main timeline of events on the Island. That leaves as many as 35 remaining survivors (possibly more if some of the presumed dead characters are actually alive); however, 13 of them have been absorbed by the Others and are rarely seen.” Where did Lostpedia pull the 71 number? The show was always billed as a show about the 42 survivors of Oceanic 815. Of course, if 36 are dead, that would be counting Rose and Bernard as the other six are obviously accounted for. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2009, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-9-namaste/489913/137 "2009-03-20T17:46:57Z")
> [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > Where did Lostpedia pull the 71 number? The show was always billed as a show about the 42 survivors of Oceanic 815. Of course, if 36 are dead, that would be counting Rose and Bernard as the other six are obviously accounted for. How many Tailies survived to get absorbed by The Others? -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Gfactor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de053/32.png) [@Gfactor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gfactor)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2009, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-9-namaste/489913/138 "2009-03-20T17:47:18Z")
> [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > Where did Lostpedia pull the 71 number? The show was always billed as a show about the 42 survivors of Oceanic 815. Of course, if 36 are dead, that would be counting Rose and Bernard as the other six are obviously accounted for. [http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/71](http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/71) ---
**Author:** ![MichaelQReilly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@MichaelQReilly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MichaelQReilly)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2009, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-9-namaste/489913/139 "2009-03-20T17:55:32Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > Are we supposed to be fairly confident that that Flaming Arrow Gang is Ceasar’s group? > > -Joe I thought it was the 1950’s era Others. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2009, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-9-namaste/489913/140 "2009-03-20T18:08:48Z")
> [@Hampshire](#): > > To me that’s been the achille’s heel of the show and has always been a hard pill to swallow. > During the first 101 days on the island our small group of main characters have been running around finding new places and new people while all these other survivors just did what? Sit on their hands? > And now 3 years have past with 6 people leaving the island and a few others living with the Dharmaites. Beach survivors anyone? What have they been doing the past 3 years? More sitting on their hands? Yes, and then they bring in new characters, while dropping the old ones. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-9-namaste/489913.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-5-9-namaste/489913.md?page=8)