# LOST 6.10 "The Package" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 30, 2010, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-10-the-package/534351 "2010-03-30T17:53:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2010, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-10-the-package/534351/81 "2010-03-31T21:13:13Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > In regards to why Paik sent Sun and Jin to the US for Jin to be killed, here’s my fanwankery: > > 1. Distance. LA cops probably won’t travel to Korea to investigate this murder, Korean cops likely won’t go to LA to investigate this murder. > 2. Deniability. Kill Jin in Korea and Sun will automatically think her father did it. Kill Jin in America, Sun can be persuaded that “things like that happen there.” > > (or) > > 1. He’s a callous bastard, sending Sun a message that nowhere will she escape his control: “I’ll kill your boyfriend _and_ confiscate your cash - there’s no escaping me.” > > . Having somebody whacked by an outside contract killer is classic mobster behavior. I don’t think it’s any more complicated than that ---
**Author:** ![iftheresaway](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/ecae2f/32.png) [@iftheresaway](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iftheresaway)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2010, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-10-the-package/534351/82 "2010-03-31T21:59:08Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > Forgot to note that we had more mirror weirdness, only IMO it was more blatant this time. Did I miss something, or did Sun get a sudden and inexplicable weird look on her face when she was looking in the mirror that had nothing to do with the guy knocking on the door? I definitely noticed that, too. It was frustrating, thought, because she was clearly looking at _something_, but whatever that thing was was not immediately obvious to me. Also, I think I’ve convinced myself that this was just an effect of Keamy’s mumbling, but did anyone else notice that when he was in the walk-in taping Jin to the chair, it really sounded like he said “I don’t want you to freak out about what’s happening on the island”? We rewound three times, but between the four of us watching couldn’t convince ourselves whether he said “island” or just slurred his next line so it sounded like it. ---
**Author:** ![Crown\_Prince\_of\_Irony](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ed655f/32.png) [@Crown\_Prince\_of\_Irony](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crown_Prince_of_Irony)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2010, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-10-the-package/534351/83 "2010-03-31T22:00:45Z")
I second Monstre’s theory - it seemed to me to be [spoiler]footage of the sinking freighter. Watch [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcCWECl-nus](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcCWECl-nus) - freeze it at around :10, and you’ll see a clear image, including a helicopter hovering above.[/spoiler] ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2010, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-10-the-package/534351/84 "2010-03-31T22:02:04Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Having somebody whacked by an outside contract killer is classic mobster behavior. I don’t think it’s any more complicated than that Well, yeah. But the question is “Why this elaborate plan which involves his daughter? If he wanted to keep her honor, he wouldn’t have allowed her to go to America with a man who is not her husband in the first place.” ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2010, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-10-the-package/534351/85 "2010-03-31T22:10:01Z")
And what, he couldn’t find any contract killers in his own country? Seems unlikely. ---
**Author:** ![Crown\_Prince\_of\_Irony](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ed655f/32.png) [@Crown\_Prince\_of\_Irony](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crown_Prince_of_Irony)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2010, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-10-the-package/534351/86 "2010-03-31T22:16:08Z")
> [@iftheresaway](#): > > Also, I think I’ve convinced myself that this was just an effect of Keamy’s mumbling, but did anyone else notice that when he was in the walk-in taping Jin to the chair, it really sounded like he said “I don’t want you to freak out about what’s happening on the island”? Chalk it up to mushmouth - I just watched it again on ABC, and Keamy says “Just in case you figure out what’s about to happen to ya, I (short mumble) don’t want you freaking out.” ---
**Author:** ![HoboStew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f17d59/32.png) [@HoboStew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HoboStew)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2010, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-10-the-package/534351/87 "2010-03-31T22:19:30Z")
> [@Dennis3240](#): > > worst episode ever Pretty much sums up my feelings on the subject. What an awful waste of an episode. The whole “Sun hit on the head and only speaks Korean now” angle has to be one of the top 5 dumbest things lost has ever done. ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2010, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-10-the-package/534351/88 "2010-03-31T22:22:18Z")
> [@iftheresaway](#): > > I definitely noticed that, too. It was frustrating, thought, because she was clearly looking at _something_, but whatever that thing was was not immediately obvious to me. In the mirror? She was looking at the bump on her head that had just taken place on the island akin to Jack finding a scar on himself in the plane’s bathroom. There is some bleed through (no pun) between timelines. ---
**Author:** ![Wheelz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wheelz/32/5718_2.png) [@Wheelz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wheelz)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2010, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-10-the-package/534351/89 "2010-03-31T22:24:43Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Well, yeah. But the question is “Why this elaborate plan which involves his daughter? If he wanted to keep her honor, he wouldn’t have allowed her to go to America with a man who is not her husband in the first place.” My WAG is that to her father, Sun’s honor is already gone and cannot be restored, and stranding her halfway around the world with no money and (he thinks) no boyfriend is his cruel and dramatic way of disowning her. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2010, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-10-the-package/534351/90 "2010-03-31T22:50:06Z")
> [@Crown\_Prince\_of\_Irony](#): > > I second Monstre’s theory - it seemed to me to be [spoiler]footage of the sinking freighter. > > Watch [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcCWECl-nus](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcCWECl-nus) - freeze it at around :10, and you’ll see a clear image, including a helicopter hovering above.[/spoiler] Yeah, unless they’re going for a super-duper-mega parallel, that’s what it was. It never actually occurred to me that it might be anything else. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2010, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-10-the-package/534351/91 "2010-03-31T23:28:00Z")
> [@Morbo](#): > > If it involves Who Sawyer was kissing then yes, I saw that too. > Best line of the episode, possibly of the series: > > Sawyer: “What do you need a boat for? Can’t you just turn into smoke and fly your ass over the water?” > Smocke: “Do you think if I could do that, I would still be on this Island?” > Sawyer: (Sarcastically) “No, because that would be ridiculous.” Oh yeah, my wife and I were laughing our asses off at that one. I replayed it a couple times on the DVR…the delivery was great. ---
**Author:** ![jackdavinci](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackdavinci/32/3259_2.png) [@jackdavinci](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jackdavinci)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2010, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-10-the-package/534351/92 "2010-03-31T23:43:08Z")
> [@HumeOrMe](#): > > Given that, what are the five mysteries you cannot live without having solved? > > 1. Walt! > 2. What’s up with the Ann Arbor people? (e.g.- the DeGroots) > 3. Jacob/MIB’s origin > 4. Why babies die on the island. > 5. Adam and Eve I think #2 and #4 have if not been directly answered, clued enough that we get the general idea. Not sure what else you want to know about the DeGroots. Just more detail on the founding of Dharma? #4 I think we have the answer to. Babies were still being born on the island up until the Incident. So it seems pretty clear that the energy streaming out of the Swan was causing the problems. Which might also imply that when Desmond activated the failsafe, it became safe to have babies again. It may be that Sun didn’t have to leave the island…I’m pretty sure the producers have gone on record as planning on giving us 3 and 5. They didn’t seem sure if they were bringing back Walt, but I think I’ve heard that he is going to come back. On the other hand, I don’t know if they will just have him make an appearance or if they will actually address his specialness. Mine: 1. Jacob’s cabin. Who was that? What did Ben think the cabin was about before and after that experience? 2. Good vs evil. Why is Jacob good if he’s bringing people to the island and letting monster eat them? Why did he not give more guidance to his people? Why does MIB choose to kill some and not others? Why is Widmore against Ben but also MIB, but they can’t kill each other or each other’s kids but then they can? What exactly is the sickness, quarantine and injections? Why is Ben able to summon the smoke monster? 3. Why is Walt special, and do he or Aaron have some kind of special role or destiny? 4. The Jacob and MIB (and hopefully also the Egyptians) secret origin. What’s up with all the weird rules and games and lists and candidates? Why weren’t the candidates from Oceanic asked to become Others? 5. WHo was MIB vs ghost vs something else: Christian, man in cabin, Dave. It’d also be cool to finally see the whole island and see where everything is. Find out all the Dharma stations, and what was up with the Pearl, and why part of the orientation film was missing. Why Radinsky made the blast door map when he should have already known about all the stations. Why there are still Dharma food drops. How does Ben seem to be both insanely well informed (Frozen donkey wheel, summoning the monster) and weirdly ignorant (doesn’t know the story of the Monster). Why did MIB wait so damn long to put his plan into effect? Why hasn’t he been killing Others left and right? Why did Dogen being alive keep the temple safe? What is the “magic box”? ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2010, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-10-the-package/534351/93 "2010-03-31T23:47:43Z")
For me, the only questions I really need answered are: 1)who are Jacob and the MIB, really? and 2)what exactly is the island? ---
**Author:** ![Rushgeekgirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rushgeekgirl/32/3715_2.png) [@Rushgeekgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rushgeekgirl)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2010, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-10-the-package/534351/94 "2010-04-01T00:14:58Z")
> [@Crown\_Prince\_of\_Irony](#): > > Chalk it up to mushmouth - I just watched it again on ABC, and Keamy says “Just in case you figure out what’s about to happen to ya, I (short mumble) don’t want you freaking out.” I think that mumble is “ah, er…” I thought it was island too until I stuck my ear up to the speaker. Repeatedly! ---
**Author:** ![Crown\_Prince\_of\_Irony](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ed655f/32.png) [@Crown\_Prince\_of\_Irony](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crown_Prince_of_Irony)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2010, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-10-the-package/534351/95 "2010-04-01T00:33:49Z")
> [@HoboStew](#): > > Pretty much sums up my feelings on the subject. What an awful waste of an episode. The whole “Sun hit on the head and only speaks Korean now” angle has to be one of the top 5 dumbest things lost has ever done. Speaking as someone whose child suffered from temporary partial aphasia, I can totally buy it. When my daughter was 6, she suddenly developed a “confusional migraine” that caused her, among other more severe symptoms, difficulty speaking in complete sentences, the inability to say her own name, and (the most odd) the inability to verbally identify the color yellow (and only yellow) - and then it was gone within 24 hours of onset. Scary as hell to see in your kid, especially when the “confusional migraine” diagnosis basically means “we don’t know what happened to her, but we know it’s not epilepsy/brain tumor/etc.”. If that can happen out of the blue, I’m willing to buy that someone suffering minor head trauma could lose the ability to speak a second language learned relatively recently. ---
**Author:** ![mazinger\_z](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5f9b8f/32.png) [@mazinger\_z](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mazinger_z)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2010, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-10-the-package/534351/96 "2010-04-01T01:54:19Z")
> [@ekweizn](#): > > This is a stretch, but maybe Mr. Paik wanted to strand Sun in the US–disowning her, perhaps? > > Agree about the subterfuge with Widmore on the beach. Wonder if they know that bullets can’t harm Locke-ness Monster. > > If Locke-ness Monster can’t/doesn’t want to come up with creative ways to penetrate the Dharma Barracks sonic fence (like throwing large objects at the pylons), it’s at least logically consistent that he can’t/doesn’t want to get around the Hydra Island sonic fence. I agree. The trip takes care of two stones, or more at once. Paik makes nice with Keamy and his crew, setting up “trade” relations of some sort. Jin gets dead and Paik doesn’t get blamed for it since it didn’t happen in Korea – and he is also a businessman, mob-like, but a business man nonetheless. Lastly, Paik gets to banish his daughter. All of this made perfect sense to me. Overall, a really good episode, and a nice change of pace. I’m not sure how Desmond fits into all this, or that kid that Flocke had a vision of either… ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_Prize](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d2c977/32.png) [@Sir\_Prize](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_Prize)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2010, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-10-the-package/534351/97 "2010-04-01T01:54:27Z")
> [@Dennis3240](#): > > Can anyone tell my why Paik would send Jin/Sun to the United States to have Jin killed??? Do we need to be reminded that Paik is, if not the “godfather”, a very powerful figure in the Korean mafia. Why send Jin/Sun to the U.S. and pay some smuck $25,000 when you could do it in house for free in Korea useing someone you already have on your payroll and do it “in house” and oversee that it’s fricking done right. Also unless Sun was going to be killed too why leave your daughter stranded in a foreign country where she does not speak the language, and she has had her “secret” bank account closed, and her husband has been murdered. Better yet why let your daughter travel internationally with a man she is not married to if you are so concerned about her “honor” in the first place??? Stupid stupid stupid really bad writing even by lost standards. Just killing Jin wouldn’t be enough punishment for Sun. He wanted her to be stranded without cash where she doesn’t speak the language. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2010, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-10-the-package/534351/98 "2010-04-01T02:02:08Z")
What’s the deal with Zoe Palin helping out Widmore? 😃 More and more I feel that 1) if the island (or cork) is underwater in the ALT, MiB escaped, and that allows 2) the lives of the survivors seem to be much better in the ALT. Let’s not forget what we’ve heard about Desmond: Faraday: “You are a constant.” Heloise: “The island isn’t done with you yet.” Des is a key not so much to kill Jacob or MiB or Widmore, but I think he’s initial to making the two timelines merge. “The Universe ‘course-corrects’ itself to lead you to the same fate.” - Heloise. * * * This was the FUNNIEST episode we’ve seen in a long time. MiB: “If i could turn into smoke and fly over there, do you think I’d really stay on this island?” Sawyer: “No, 'cause it’d be ridiculous.” HA! Also, Hey, Sayid. What kind of killer are you? Learn to double-tap, dude! ---
**Author:** ![Pigs\_in\_Space](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9d8465/32.png) [@Pigs\_in\_Space](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pigs_in_Space)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2010, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-10-the-package/534351/99 "2010-04-01T03:02:16Z")
> [@borschevsky](#): > > - Sun might need to get the baby looked at by, say, Juliet or Ethan! ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2010, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-10-the-package/534351/100 "2010-04-01T03:06:18Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > For me, the only questions I really need answered are: > 1)who are Jacob and the MIB, really? > and > 2)what exactly is the island? Fully agreed! I love all the characters, but I still think that stupid island is a spaceship or a holodeck made by Dharma. 😃 That would be hilarious!! LOST finale quote: “What? We could’ve just WALKED off this island??” 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-10-the-package/534351.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-10-the-package/534351.md?page=6)