# LOST 6.10 "The Package" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 30, 2010, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-10-the-package/534351 "2010-03-30T17:53:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![OpalCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8edcca/32.png) [@OpalCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OpalCat)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2010, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-10-the-package/534351/101 "2010-04-01T03:33:45Z")
> [@ZipperJJ](#): > > What she wrote were very short sentences using very large letters on very valuable paper that needs to last her a long time. But it won’t if she keeps writing like that! THIS ANNOYED ME SO MUCH! I kept turning to Dan and saying “If I had a limited amount of paper and this was my only means of communication I’d be writing tiny!!! WHAT THE HELL IS SHE DOING!?” The “V” thing annoyed me too. Overall I was sort of indifferent about this episode. ---
**Author:** ![Pyper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Pyper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pyper)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2010, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-10-the-package/534351/102 "2010-04-01T03:52:17Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > Forgot to note that we had more mirror weirdness, only IMO it was more blatant this time. Did I miss something, or did Sun get a sudden and inexplicable weird look on her face when she was looking in the mirror that had nothing to do with the guy knocking on the door? Maybe it’s because I’m female, but the minute she began looking at herself in the mirror, I said, “She’s pregnant.” She knew she was pregnant and she was examining herself for any visible changes. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2010, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-10-the-package/534351/103 "2010-04-01T04:02:28Z")
> [@Locrian](#): > > What’s the deal with Zoe Palin helping out Widmore? 😃 > > More and more I feel that 1) if the island (or cork) is underwater in the ALT, MiB escaped, and that allows 2) the lives of the survivors seem to be much better in the ALT. > > Let’s not forget what we’ve heard about Desmond: > Faraday: “You are a constant.” > Heloise: “The island isn’t done with you yet.” > > Des is a key not so much to kill Jacob or MiB or Widmore, but I think he’s initial to making the two timelines merge. “The Universe ‘course-corrects’ itself to lead you to the same fate.” - Heloise. > > * * * > > This was the FUNNIEST episode we’ve seen in a long time. > > MiB: “If i could turn into smoke and fly over there, do you think I’d really stay on this island?” > Sawyer: “No, 'cause it’d be ridiculous.” HA! > > Also, Hey, Sayid. What kind of killer are you? Learn to double-tap, dude! Doesn’t Mikhail’s ATL eye injury and the patch he was wearing in the original timeline also support some sort of convergence? Or juse parallelism across the timelines, but I don’t recall any of that being so symmetrical for anyone else. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2010, 10:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-10-the-package/534351/104 "2010-04-01T10:15:05Z")
I can answer some of thse. > [@jackdavinci](#): > > why part of the orientation film was missing. > […] > Why did Dogen being alive keep the temple safe? There is no answer, the writers just made up and tossed in spooky shit to get the nerds at home all riled up. No thought was put into the how or why this stuff happened, nor will any thought be put into it. The only answers will come from fan fiction. (ie: Messageboard posts, like for example our stopgap theory.) > [@](#): > > Why Radinsky made the blast door map when he should have already known about all the stations. > […] > How does Ben seem to be both insanely well informed (Frozen donkey wheel, summoning the monster) and weirdly ignorant (doesn’t know the story of the Monster). The writers never had any idea what they were doing or where they were going. Making it up as they went along occasionally led them to write stupid and/or contradictory stuff that they’d rather you just forget about. Hey, this stuff that seems so stupid in hindsight, like why that guy wouild bother to draw his spooky map on that door, just added to the ambience! Such a complete dick move by the writers. > [@](#): > > What is the “magic box”? Misdirection by Ben. He made up the whole “magic box” thing to fuck with Locke’s head. There never was a magic box; he sent real people to the real world to kidnap Locke’s real dad and bring him to the island. They actually stated this in the show. ---
**Author:** ![Mean\_Mr.Mustard](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mean_mr.mustard/32/3865_2.png) [@Mean\_Mr.Mustard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mean_Mr.Mustard)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2010, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-10-the-package/534351/105 "2010-04-01T12:14:49Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > I can answer some of thse.There is no answer, the writers just made up and tossed in spooky shit to get the nerds at home all riled up. No thought was put into the how or why this stuff happened, nor will any thought be put into it. The only answers will come from fan fiction. (ie: Messageboard posts, like for example our stopgap theory.)The writers never had any idea what they were doing or where they were going. Making it up as they went along occasionally led them to write stupid and/or contradictory stuff that they’d rather you just forget about. Hey, this stuff that seems so stupid in hindsight, like why that guy wouild bother to draw his spooky map on that door, just added to the ambience! Such a complete dick move by the writers. Wow. I bet it would be great fun watching Lost with you. ---
**Author:** ![fiddlesticks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddlesticks/32/18129_2.png) [@fiddlesticks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fiddlesticks)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2010, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-10-the-package/534351/106 "2010-04-01T12:53:22Z")
Haha…Stephen Colbert made fun of the \*\*V \*\* last night. 😃 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2010, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-10-the-package/534351/107 "2010-04-01T15:05:15Z")
> [@Mean\_Mr.Mustard](#): > > Wow. I bet it would be great fun watching Lost with you. Yeah, really. Are you going to settle down with the pissyness, or should I just put you on the ignore list? -Joe ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2010, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-10-the-package/534351/108 "2010-04-01T15:21:48Z")
Are you asking me? ---
**Author:** ![Petey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f1d935/32.png) [@Petey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Petey)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2010, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-10-the-package/534351/109 "2010-04-01T15:38:40Z")
> [@fiddlesticks](#): > > Haha…Stephen Colbert made fun of the \*\*V \*\* last night. 😃 😃 So did Dave Letterman. ---
**Author:** ![HoboStew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f17d59/32.png) [@HoboStew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HoboStew)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2010, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-10-the-package/534351/110 "2010-04-01T16:31:39Z")
> [@Crown\_Prince\_of\_Irony](#): > > Speaking as someone whose child suffered from temporary partial aphasia, I can totally buy it. Its not that I don’t think it is possible, I just thought it was retarded that they did it. Added nothing to the episode at all, I can’t imagine how it could possibly provide anything interesting in the future, and went along with my feelings on the whole episode that there was a lot of unnecessary filler. ---
**Author:** ![Crown\_Prince\_of\_Irony](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ed655f/32.png) [@Crown\_Prince\_of\_Irony](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crown_Prince_of_Irony)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2010, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-10-the-package/534351/111 "2010-04-01T17:04:35Z")
> [@HoboStew](#): > > Its not that I don’t think it is possible, I just thought it was retarded that they did it. Added nothing to the episode at all, I can’t imagine how it could possibly provide anything interesting in the future, and went along with my feelings on the whole episode that there was a lot of unnecessary filler. I don’t think this was unnecessary filler. Wouldn’t it be interesting to see Sun’s losing the ability to speak English become a critical factor in a later episode? Maybe we’ll see ATL Sun suddenly able to speak or understand English or something - wouldn’t that be a trip. But even if it winds up being a contrivance on the part of the writers, it did create a nice bonding moment between Sun and Jack, and I think helped remind Sun that she can’t do this alone - that she needs to be able to rely on others if she wants to find Jin. Now if it would have been amnesia, there would be a remote-control-shaped hole through my HDTV right now. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2010, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-10-the-package/534351/112 "2010-04-01T17:56:37Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > Are you asking me? Quite clearly, I was. > [@Crown\_Prince\_of\_Irony](#): > > I don’t think this was unnecessary filler. Wouldn’t it be interesting to see Sun’s losing the ability to speak English become a critical factor in a later episode? Maybe we’ll see ATL Sun suddenly able to speak or understand English or something - wouldn’t that be a trip. I don’t know, while that would be neat, it looked to me from the expression on her face at Customs that she DID speak English. But since she wasn’t running away from Jin at this point in the ATL, I can’t think of a reason for him to hide it from her. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![well\_he\_s\_back](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/3ab097/32.png) [@well\_he\_s\_back](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/well_he_s_back)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2010, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-10-the-package/534351/113 "2010-04-01T18:30:29Z")
Questions - Regarding pylons : Who originally built the pylons around New Otherton? If it was Dharma, how did they know to build them to keep a smoke monster out? How did they know they know they **would** keep the smoke monster out? and why couldn’t Dharma and the others just get along? were the others becoming sterile a punishment for killing the Dharmites? Was Widmore “The Economist”? How did Faraday’s mom get off the Island and what’s she doing Right Now? Walt never fit in anywhere - he’s the perfect candidate, don’t you think? Won’t Sayid ever learn - he did dirty deeds for Ben (remember?) and now Smoke Monster? all for now. ---
**Author:** ![mazinger\_z](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5f9b8f/32.png) [@mazinger\_z](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mazinger_z)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2010, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-10-the-package/534351/114 "2010-04-01T19:17:00Z")
I’ll try to answer some of these: > [@jackdavinci](#): > > 1. Good vs evil. Why is Jacob good if he’s bringing people to the island and letting monster eat them? I thought he explained that he wanted to prove something to MiB, in the Richard episode. I’ll have to look at Lostpedia to refresh my memory. > [@](#): > > Why did he not give more guidance to his people? In the Richard ep, he specifically says, “What’s the point?” Richard asks him that same question. If jacob gives the answers, then nobody would make a decision without him. > [@](#): > > Why does MIB choose to kill some and not others? I don’t think he can kill any candidates, which is why he didn’t kill Richard. Jacob can bring people to the island, but he is limited. If others happen to be around at the same time, then they get sucked in, too, and are fair game. (or the Island decides) > [@](#): > > Why is Widmore against Ben but also MIB, but they can’t kill each other or each other’s kids but then they can? Somehow, Ben asserted control, I’m not sure how. Control stems from Richard or Jacob (because Jacob won’t tell them how to act) not telling what to do. Jacob doesn’t say anything, so Rich doesn’t do anything either. > [@](#): > > What exactly is the sickness, quarantine and injections? Why is Ben able to summon the smoke monster? Isn’t the sickness something to do with the incident. I’d like to know why there are two sets of training films, unless Dharma was that intent with fucking with people. The ability to summon the smoke monster is something that is special to the island. Yes MiB is evil, but I bet he is also stuck protecting the island as well. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2010, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-10-the-package/534351/115 "2010-04-01T19:39:28Z")
My fingers are crossed that the finale will include a scene of YOUNG Walt, actually filmed while he was young and not CGI’d or whatever… talking to someone, Jacob or the MiB maybe, that will show for certain that the producers knew where they were heading from the beginning. That might blow my mind a little. ---
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2010, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-10-the-package/534351/116 "2010-04-01T19:53:05Z")
I want the finale to end thusly: Locke is about to board the plane as everyone else watches helplessly, and then Vincent jumps on him from out of frame and bites him in the neck. Credits. ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2010, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-10-the-package/534351/117 "2010-04-01T20:48:40Z")
> [@HelloNinja](#): > > My fingers are crossed that the finale will include a scene of YOUNG Walt, actually filmed while he was young and not CGI’d or whatever… talking to someone, Jacob or the MiB maybe, that will show for certain that the producers knew where they were heading from the beginning. > > That might blow my mind a little. I’m pretty sure those roles were cast just before they appeared in the Season 5 finale. ---
**Author:** ![Arcite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/67e7ee/32.png) [@Arcite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arcite)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2010, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-10-the-package/534351/118 "2010-04-01T21:47:36Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > Yeah, really. Are you going to settle down with the pissyness, or should I just put you on the ignore list? > > -Joe **Ellis Dee** isn’t being pissy; he’s being honest. It would almost be funny, if it weren’t so annoying, that people are still saying they seriously expect answers to mysteries that were so obviously written in on a whim just to highten the drama. You can’t tell me you seriously think that the writers ever had an explanation in mind for the things **jackdavinci** refers to at the time the episodes were written. They just said to themselves, “hey, let’s put blast doors in the Swan station, and show a blacklight-lit map of the island on one of them. That’ll get people tuning in next time. Maybe if the show lasts long enough, we can invent an explanation for it later, that is, as long as we haven’t written ourselves into a corner by then.” Heck, the blast door map shows Dharma stations evenly spaced all around the island, contradicting the very idea of “Dharma territory” vs. “Others territory” we learned about later! ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2010, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-10-the-package/534351/119 "2010-04-01T22:17:37Z")
I like the idea of Ben thinking he was working for Jacob when all along he was working for MiB. Remember when Locke first went to the cabin, Ben was incredulous that Locke actually heard Jacob. And didn’t we find out that Ben had never actually seen Jacob? And when Locke saw ‘Jacob’, wasn’t he in the form of Christian Shepherd, and had Aaron’s mom with him? That would be MiB, not Jacob. So Jacob brings people to the Island, and MiB can’t kill them if they’re candidates. So he arranges to have Ben gas the whole lot of the Dharma people, and later to kill Jacob himself. Richard may not have known what MiB was doing with Ben, so he assumed that Ben was actually the leader and in communication with Jacob. Later, MiB appears as Locke, and convinces Ben that all the dicking around that was done to him was done by Jacob, not MiB himself. So Ben kills Jacob. Does that fit with the facts as we know them? ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2010, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-10-the-package/534351/120 "2010-04-01T22:53:18Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > I like the idea of Ben thinking he was working for Jacob when all along he was working for MiB. Remember when Locke first went to the cabin, Ben was incredulous that Locke actually heard Jacob. And didn’t we find out that Ben had never actually seen Jacob? And when Locke saw ‘Jacob’, wasn’t he in the form of Christian Shepherd, and had Aaron’s mom with him? That would be MiB, not Jacob. > > So Jacob brings people to the Island, and MiB can’t kill them if they’re candidates. So he arranges to have Ben gas the whole lot of the Dharma people, and later to kill Jacob himself. > > Richard may not have known what MiB was doing with Ben, so he assumed that Ben was actually the leader and in communication with Jacob. > > Later, MiB appears as Locke, and convinces Ben that all the dicking around that was done to him was done by Jacob, not MiB himself. So Ben kills Jacob. > > Does that fit with the facts as we know them? Ben’s never spoken to Jacob before, which means that he wouldn’t be talking to the MiB posing as Jacob either. The season finale basically explained the Ben was receiving his instructions via Richard. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-10-the-package/534351.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-10-the-package/534351.md?page=7)