# LOST 6.11 "Happily Ever After" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 6, 2010, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-11-happily-ever-after/535170 "2010-04-06T17:47:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2010, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-11-happily-ever-after/535170/41 "2010-04-07T02:08:59Z")
Also, I’m thinking Charles and Eloise know about the whole thing. I mean, they were on the Island still, right? ---
**Author:** ![Liddle\_Lamsy\_Divey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f04885/32.png) [@Liddle\_Lamsy\_Divey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liddle_Lamsy_Divey)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2010, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-11-happily-ever-after/535170/42 "2010-04-07T02:09:52Z")
> [@well\_he\_s\_back](#): > > OMFG I love this episode! Maybe Lost is all about the power of LOVE I know this probably won’t happen, but I want the people in love to end happy–Jin and Sun, Charlie and Claire, Desmond and Penny and Rose and Bernard. I wonder if Vincent exists in the Sideways world… ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2010, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-11-happily-ever-after/535170/43 "2010-04-07T02:11:19Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Also, I’m thinking Charles and Eloise know about the whole thing. I mean, they were on the Island still, right? Eloise would definitely know, if the timeline really did split after the bomb, because she would have Daniel’s old notebook. ---
**Author:** ![Rucksinator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/898d66/32.png) [@Rucksinator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rucksinator)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2010, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-11-happily-ever-after/535170/44 "2010-04-07T02:15:53Z")
> [@Liddle\_Lamsy\_Divey](#): > > I know this probably won’t happen, but I want the people in love to end happy–Jin and Sun, Charlie and Claire, Desmond and Penny and Rose and Bernard… No love for Daniel and Charlotte? ---
**Author:** ![Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a9a28c/32.png) [@Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oslo_Ostragoth)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2010, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-11-happily-ever-after/535170/45 "2010-04-07T02:20:54Z")
I love the twists, but the time stuff makes my brain hurt. ---
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2010, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-11-happily-ever-after/535170/46 "2010-04-07T02:21:13Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Also, I’m thinking Charles and Eloise know about the whole thing. I mean, they were on the Island still, right? Yeah, I would think so. They’re both “veterans” of the island. For those of us with less-than-encyclopedic memories, I think now is a good time to check out the Lostpedia. [Eloise](http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Eloise) [Widmore](http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Charles_Widmore) [George Minkowski](http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/George) (limo driver) ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2010, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-11-happily-ever-after/535170/47 "2010-04-07T02:23:50Z")
So are people basically in agreement that the alternate timeline only diverges after the bomb blast on the island? Like, there aren’t any weird timey-wimey effects that extend back in time to before the bomb went off? ---
**Author:** ![Algernon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a183cd/32.png) [@Algernon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algernon)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2010, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-11-happily-ever-after/535170/48 "2010-04-07T02:32:59Z")
I think this was a great episode. Not sure I understand it all, but I was engrossed. Of course that could be because I love Desmond – in a manly sort of way. And it was nice to see Charlie again, even as weird as he was behaving. So Daniel and Desmond and Charlie are all having “bleed through” memories? Memories of something that hasn’t happened yet? Well, it happened in the past which was really in the future. All the face in the mirror quizzical looks by Jack, Sun, Kate, (anyone else) are small instances of this bleed through memory? And Eloise must certainly know about the other timeline. And she mentioned that Desmond meeting Penny would be a violation. Violation of that timeline remaining intact? And what exactly is Desmond planning on showing the other passengers of O815? Sheesh. Things are getting more resolved with every episode, yet also more confusing. ---
**Author:** ![belladonna](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9fc29f/32.png) [@belladonna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/belladonna)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2010, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-11-happily-ever-after/535170/49 "2010-04-07T02:33:01Z")
Daniel looked like John Shooter. Seriously though, it kind of squicks me out watching Daniel get all rapturous about his notebook discovery, because if they “fix” things, isn’t that basically suicide for him? ---
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2010, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-11-happily-ever-after/535170/50 "2010-04-07T02:33:34Z")
> [@MsWhatsit](#): > > So are people basically in agreement that the alternate timeline only diverges after the bomb blast on the island? Like, there aren’t any weird timey-wimey effects that extend back in time to before the bomb went off? I believe this to be true. Of course, I just had to look up the fact that the bomb went off in 1977. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![well\_he\_s\_back](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/3ab097/32.png) [@well\_he\_s\_back](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/well_he_s_back)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2010, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-11-happily-ever-after/535170/51 "2010-04-07T02:38:11Z")
I’m confused - How can Desmond save his wife and son if he sacrifices himself? If he sacrifices himself the son won’t exist will he? ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2010, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-11-happily-ever-after/535170/52 "2010-04-07T02:57:56Z")
My guess is he’s going to have to stay on the island…alone, forever separated from Penny/Charlie…or at least that’s what Whidmore thinks he’s gotta do. ---
**Author:** ![belladonna](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9fc29f/32.png) [@belladonna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/belladonna)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2010, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-11-happily-ever-after/535170/53 "2010-04-07T02:59:12Z")
Why not? He’s in the current timeline on the island–his son is at home with Penny. It’s only if his sacrifice triggers the alternate timeline that the kid (did he have a name? I forget) would blink out. But I didn’t get the feeling that that was Charles’ intention; it seems as if he’s trying to protect the timeline on the island, where his grandson is alive and well. eta: sorry, this was in response to **well he’s back** , **Fenris** snuck in there on me. ---
**Author:** ![well\_he\_s\_back](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/3ab097/32.png) [@well\_he\_s\_back](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/well_he_s_back)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2010, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-11-happily-ever-after/535170/54 "2010-04-07T03:06:20Z")
Desmond named his son Charlie - after Charlie ---
**Author:** ![Icarus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/icarus/32/72_2.png) [@Icarus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Icarus)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2010, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-11-happily-ever-after/535170/55 "2010-04-07T03:08:17Z")
Just time-jumping in to say - Love the Desmond, great to get more of Charlie, and Daniel! Really great episode. ---
**Author:** ![jackdavinci](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackdavinci/32/3259_2.png) [@jackdavinci](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jackdavinci)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2010, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-11-happily-ever-after/535170/56 "2010-04-07T03:35:27Z")
> [@Trion](#): > > Sitcom? Please. We’re going with a Miles/Sawer buddy/cop show with Faraday as the scientific consultant and Hurley as Huggy-bear. Over on [NeverSeenLost](http://neverseenlost.wordpress.com/) they suggest a spinoff called “Translators” starring Mikhail and Lennon… > [@MsWhatsit](#): > > They seem to be implying that Desmond can either be in the sideways timeline, or the “real” timeline, but not both simultaneously, which makes him unique. I haven’t gotten that impression at all. Where did you get that idea? > [@Rucksinator](#): > > I don’t like that they acted like it was a huge shock that Desmond and Widmore would be best buds in the ALT. And, since they are best buds, wouldn’t Desmond know about Widmore’s daughter? Having watched the episode where Desmond time travels to his breakup with Penny earlier this evening, this episode really harks back to it, especially the scene with Widmore. In this universe, Desmond asks Widmore for his daughters hand in marriage, and Widmore tells him he isn’t even good enough to drink his whiskey, so how could he be good enough to marry his daughter. Desmond then joined the military and entered a sailing race just to get his approval. And Widmore tried to pay off Desmond not to see Penny. So yeah, them being best buds is a big deal… OTOH they seem to only be best buds at work. As they said, Desmond has never even met his wife, so it’s not surprising he hasn’t heard about his daughter from another relationship. > [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Eloise would definitely know, if the timeline really did split after the bomb, because she would have Daniel’s old notebook. That does explain a lot. She still seems to have a bit more knowledge than she should though - why would Daniel have written about the guy with the red shoes dying? > [@Rucksinator](#): > > No love for Daniel and Charlotte? I thought it weird that he referred to her as someone who worked for Widmore. I thought she worked in a museum with Miles’ Dad. > [@MsWhatsit](#): > > So are people basically in agreement that the alternate timeline only diverges after the bomb blast on the island? Like, there aren’t any weird timey-wimey effects that extend back in time to before the bomb went off? Agreed. > [@Algernon](#): > > And what exactly is Desmond planning on showing the other passengers of O815? My guess: either the sunken island, or NDEs… 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Liddle\_Lamsy\_Divey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f04885/32.png) [@Liddle\_Lamsy\_Divey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liddle_Lamsy_Divey)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2010, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-11-happily-ever-after/535170/57 "2010-04-07T03:37:08Z")
> [@Rucksinator](#): > > No love for Daniel and Charlotte? _looks at previous post, frowns_ I thought I included them. Guess not. Yes, Daniel and Charlotte. Overall, what a great episode, the best this season so far. It’s no surprise though, since Desmond episodes are always wonderful. ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2010, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-11-happily-ever-after/535170/58 "2010-04-07T03:40:47Z")
> [@jackdavinci](#): > > I haven’t gotten that impression at all. Where did you get that idea? Well, I posted that before the episode was over. It looked to me like Desmond physically disappeared when the “electromagnetic event” occurred on the island, but later on it was pretty clear that he had just passed out on the floor, I guess. Although I don’t know, it does seem kind of like they are implying that his consciousness is passing back and forth between the two timelines. Or am I off-base here? I feel really confused about the alternate timeline stuff. ---
**Author:** ![well\_he\_s\_back](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/3ab097/32.png) [@well\_he\_s\_back](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/well_he_s_back)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2010, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-11-happily-ever-after/535170/59 "2010-04-07T03:56:45Z")
I’m confused about the alternate timeline stuff, but found this episode very, very satisfying anyway. I’m betting Widmore warned Des about Sayid & Locke, and Des agreeing to go w/Sayid was planned. Will smack-down between Des & Flocke ensue? Preview was intriguing. Like that Hurley looks to be having a moment next week. ---
**Author:** ![oliversarmy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/eb8c5e/32.png) [@oliversarmy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/oliversarmy)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2010, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-11-happily-ever-after/535170/60 "2010-04-07T04:37:19Z")
jackdavinci: Desmond is the “constant.” I may be wrong, but he’s the one that ties the time lines together. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-11-happily-ever-after/535170.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-11-happily-ever-after/535170.md?page=4)