# LOST 6.12 "Everybody Loves Hugo" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 13, 2010, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-12-everybody-loves-hugo/535966 "2010-04-13T17:47:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Mr.Excellent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f19dbf/32.png) [@Mr.Excellent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Excellent)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-12-everybody-loves-hugo/535966/101 "2010-04-14T19:21:15Z")
BTW - is it just me, or did this episode make alt-Hugo a bit less sympathetic? I mean, sure, it’s Lost, and there’s all sorts of mystical woo floating around - but still. Dude. You picked up a chick from a mental hospital. That’s not really cool. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-12-everybody-loves-hugo/535966/102 "2010-04-14T19:31:20Z")
Obviously Hugo has never heard the rule “Don’t stick your dick in the crazy.” ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-12-everybody-loves-hugo/535966/103 "2010-04-14T19:52:33Z")
> [@Justin\_Credible](#): > > I think he’s trying to get Locke and Jack to meet. Jack will certainly be the one to fix Locke up. Aha! That’s probably what it is. Originally, I thought that this was one of Widmore’s orders. Take out Locke so he gets no flashback, but Desmond wants everybody to know about BOTH timelines it appears. ---
**Author:** ![Wheelz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wheelz/32/5718_2.png) [@Wheelz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wheelz)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-12-everybody-loves-hugo/535966/104 "2010-04-14T20:59:46Z")
> [@Locrian](#): > > …Desmond wants everybody to know about BOTH timelines it appears. Yes, and he seems pretty sure of what he’s doing. But last week Eloise, who seems to know more than anybody, told him he wasn’t “ready.” Of course I don’t know what that means or what her motives are, but it could very well be that his meddling may turn out to be a mistake. ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-12-everybody-loves-hugo/535966/105 "2010-04-14T21:23:03Z")
From the moment in the Desmond episode where Eloise said that there were rules, this ATL stuff has been as good as the island. But this episode filled me with hope that this thing is going end INCREDIBLY. No more hating from me until the end. > [@Monstre](#): > > Hahahahaha – Hurley played them. He agreed, so that he could blow up all the dynamite – along with the Black Rock. sweeeeet. When I saw the Black Rock explode, it hit me that this show is ENDING soon. Sure, they can promo it all they want, but it really didn’t sink in until then. I always go into a funk when long running shows that I love finish up. End of an era that makes me feel old. Lost is probably my favorite show ever (certainly the most involved I’ve been with a show), so I am ordering a crate of Dharma Wine to get me through the end of May. > [@Gfactor](#): > > I thought he was BSing. But I loved how Hurley schooled him, either way. Didn’t you also love Jack’s response when Hurley told him it was HIS idea and not Jacob’s? “I know.” MFox has REALLY impressed me this season. His take on a zen Jack has been brilliant. > [@Meltdown](#): > > Whoever that boy is, Desmond can see him too. And it looks like he’s aging. If that’s the same boy, that is. > > I’m thinking that maybe the boy is Jacob’s consciousness trying to reconstitute itself. I thought it was a different boy. I think one represents Jacob and one Smokey. I’m still getting a Cain and Abel vibe. If so, the one that looks more like Jacob (fair and brown haired) was the one with blood on his hands. > [@Monstre](#): > > “That’s what the whispers are?” > > There’s an answer – “We’re the ones that can’t move on.” > Dead people who screwed up and whose souls are stuck there, haunting the forest? I shot up in bed when Hurley said that. That was a FREAKING ANSWER. No hedging. No vagueness. No new mystery. FLAT ASS MYTHOLOGY DOWNLOAD! > [@jackdavinci](#): > > And nice to get an answer to the whispers, even if it was somewhat expositional. Really. REALLY?!! We get the first straight answer and you complain about the delivery! I WOULD LOVE FOR ONE FULL FREAKING EPISODE to be everyone standing around a camp fire asking questions and having Jacob or Ben simply answer them!😃 Which reminds me, the scene where they come to confront Locke reminded me of Tribal Council on Survivor. If only a few of those reality show douchebags had gotten their torch extinguished the same way that Ilana got hers snuffed! > [@well\_he\_s\_back](#): > > But why does Hurley (in the island timeline) want to talk to the smoke monster? Maybe he feels talking to Locke will prevent the Ewoks from ever being born.😃 > [@Monstre](#): > > Is FLocke taking Desmond to show him the frozen wheel? That didn’t look like the same well to me; neither the terrain nor the well itself looked the same. > [@well\_he\_s\_back](#): > > ETA: you push me down a well, I run you over. Love Desmond. Chalk me up on the vengeance theory, but I wouldn’t be surprised if I am wrong. It is all so parallel. BTW, Did Hurley look in a mirror? > [@Monstre](#): > > Jack looks like he’s about to crap his pants – seeing fake Locke That “Hi, Jack” was so freaking creepy. Why single out Jack? Gave me the chills. Please allow me to insert my weekly, Terry O’Quinn is operating on a higher plane this season (heh…plane). > [@MsWhatsit](#): > > Nice usage of the creepy boat tunnel song from “Charlie and the Chocolate Factory” over the promo for next week! That was one creepy promo. > [@Sir\_Prize](#): > > Did Desmond ever meet Ben on the island? If he remembered him it must have been hard not to give it away. I think I know what hospital they are going to take Locke to. As others have responded, they have a history. But it got me thinking. Desmond saw Ben the night before the big asswhupping at the Lampost, and asked what “he’s doing here.” My question: when had they met on island? Desmond was gone before Ben was taken wrisoner in the hatch. Then he was on the freighter during the merc raid/rescue. Where would they have met? Desmond always kind of floated in and out of the beach camp much like he floated in and out of time. I know he knew who Ben was, but why would he know him on sight at the Lampost. > [@Fenris](#): > > By the way. One of Hurley’s charities is “The Human Fund” (Money for People) 😃 Nice catch! I miss the Easter Egg moments they used to slip in. This episode, with that and the beach picture, was a welcomed return. > [@Mahaloth](#): > > Is it me, or is this season hitting its stride now? Yes. Yes, it. ---
**Author:** ![newcrasher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b3f665/32.png) [@newcrasher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newcrasher)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-12-everybody-loves-hugo/535966/106 "2010-04-14T22:23:56Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Obviously Hugo has never heard the rule “Don’t stick your dick in the crazy.” That’s a rule? Damn… ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-12-everybody-loves-hugo/535966/107 "2010-04-14T22:39:56Z")
I always lived by a slightly different version. “Don’t stick your dick in the crazy… **more than once!** ” ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2010, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-12-everybody-loves-hugo/535966/108 "2010-04-15T00:08:01Z")
From the rules > [@](#): > > Please remember, links inside spoiler boxes are readable even to those who don’t highlight. That hasn’t been the case for a while. Not a big deal, I just noticed it was still getting cut & pasted in there. > [@Fenris](#): > > By the way. One of Hurley’s charities is “The Human Fund” (Money for People) 😃 Is it Festivus already? (Actually, that episode of Seinfeld was airing as I was reading this thread… I sense the island or perhaps Jacob at work here) > [@deesiresjohn](#): > > I know this doesn’t matter much in comparison with other things that happened in the episode but did anybody else think “Eko-Jesus stick” when UnLocke was carving that piece of wood? Yes, I was totally thinking of Eko at that point. So, Illana, pretty worthless character in the end, huh? Well, not as bad as Cesar, but close. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2010, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-12-everybody-loves-hugo/535966/109 "2010-04-15T00:13:20Z")
> [@TBG](#): > > So, Illana, pretty worthless character in the end, huh? Well, not as bad as Cesar, but close. I dunno, she didn’t burn near as much (pointless) screen time as Shannon and Boone. Ugh. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2010, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-12-everybody-loves-hugo/535966/110 "2010-04-15T01:02:07Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > There’s no earthly way of knowing > Which direction we are going > There’s no knowing where we’re rowing > Or which way the river’s flowing > Is it raining? > Is it snowing? > Is a hurricane a’blowing? > Not a speck of light is showing > So the danger must be growing > Are the fires of hell a’glowing? > Is the grisly reaper mowing? > Yes! The danger must be growing > 'Cause the rowers keep on rowing > And they’re certainly not showing > Any signs that they are slowing! > AAAAAAAAH!!! Looks like we’ve discovered the theme: LOST is really a Willy Wonka Spinoff!! MIB=Willy, Candidates=Children, Slugworth=Widmore, Others=Oompa Loompas, Island=Wonkaland, Jacob’s Touch=Golden Ticket, Jack=Charlie, Jacob=Grandpa Joe, Hurley=Augustus Gloop, etc. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2010, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-12-everybody-loves-hugo/535966/111 "2010-04-15T01:06:33Z")
> [@Wheelz](#): > > Yes, and he seems pretty sure of what he’s doing. > But last week Eloise, who seems to know more than anybody, told him he wasn’t “ready.” Of course I don’t know what that means or what her motives are, but it could very well be that his meddling may turn out to be a mistake. It would really be a mistake to the happy Widmore family and their musician son, Daniel. As far as being “ready”-- or “the island isn’t done with you yet”-- I think refers to the EM test Desmond went through last week. Now he is sure he lives in another lifetime with cuddly Penny. ---
**Author:** ![kath94](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/67e7ee/32.png) [@kath94](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kath94)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2010, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-12-everybody-loves-hugo/535966/112 "2010-04-15T01:22:02Z")
> [@Nan\_Sequitur](#): > > \Great episode, my only complaint was that Bruce Davison had that beach picture on his office wall instead of a picture of Mt. Hood. Or of Tammany Hall, the Triple Crown winner! Woo! Space turtles! > [@Fenris](#): > > A black stone and a white stone? 😉 That was my first thought. **Nan Sequitur** & **Fenris** , great minds think a like! ---
**Author:** ![Nan\_Sequitur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/e36b37/32.png) [@Nan\_Sequitur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nan_Sequitur)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2010, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-12-everybody-loves-hugo/535966/113 "2010-04-15T01:32:13Z")
> [@kath94](#): > > Or of Tammany Hall, the Triple Crown winner! Woo! Space turtles! > > **Nan Sequitur** & **Fenris** , great minds think a like! Thanks, I find that I manage to just get by with a little help from my friends. ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2010, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-12-everybody-loves-hugo/535966/114 "2010-04-15T01:35:57Z")
> [@Locrian](#): > > It would really be a mistake to the happy Widmore family and their musician son, Daniel. > > As far as being “ready”-- or “the island isn’t done with you yet”-- I think refers to the EM test Desmond went through last week. Now he is sure he lives in another lifetime with cuddly Penny. Is it possible that the Desmonds switched brains? The ATL timeline is zen master island guy, and Island Desmond we know and love is running over parapalegics in the ATL. I think they are still confused, but still flipped. ---
**Author:** ![Arcite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/67e7ee/32.png) [@Arcite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arcite)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2010, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-12-everybody-loves-hugo/535966/115 "2010-04-15T04:50:03Z")
> [@middleman](#): > > Is it possible that the Desmonds switched brains? The ATL timeline is zen master island guy, and Island Desmond we know and love is running over parapalegics in the ATL. I think they are still confused, but still flipped. That would explain why Desmond, when asked by Ben what his son’s name was, immediately answered “Charlie.” ---
**Author:** ![Gfactor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de053/32.png) [@Gfactor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gfactor)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2010, 12:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-12-everybody-loves-hugo/535966/116 "2010-04-15T12:00:47Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > A black stone and a white stone? 😉 Yes. That’s exactly what I thought. ---
**Author:** ![Hampshire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hampshire/32/4887_2.png) [@Hampshire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hampshire)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2010, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-12-everybody-loves-hugo/535966/117 "2010-04-15T14:25:42Z")
When Hurley & Co. entered Flocke’s camp I had to think about where Jin went to again. That’s right, he’s over on Hydra Island. Why? Last we saw of him was him getting kidnapped, waking up in room 23, Widmore telling him he needs to see “the package” which was Desmond. So why did Widmore need Jin to see Desmond? Just an unlucky grab as someone to be bait for Flocke? ---
**Author:** ![Hampshire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hampshire/32/4887_2.png) [@Hampshire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hampshire)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2010, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-12-everybody-loves-hugo/535966/118 "2010-04-15T14:31:15Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > I’m suspecting that Island Desmond is so calm and relaxed because he doesn’t actually need to do anything - because of his interactions with ATL Desmond, ATL Desmond is the one who needs to get everyone to connect with the ATL. > > Island Desmond just needs to stay alive. > > -Joe That’s how I saw it. He knows his ATL ego is doing all the work to get the Oceanic people to “remember” as part of some master plan to stop MIB. Island Desmond is just buying time with nothing to do or be afraid of. Looking at Flocke thinking “If only you knew what the other me was doing in ATL.” ---
**Author:** ![Bearflag70](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Bearflag70](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bearflag70)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2010, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-12-everybody-loves-hugo/535966/119 "2010-04-15T15:12:50Z")
> [@Hampshire](#): > > When Hurley & Co. entered Flocke’s camp I had to think about where Jin went to again. > That’s right, he’s over on Hydra Island. Why? > Last we saw of him was him getting kidnapped, waking up in room 23, Widmore telling him he needs to see “the package” which was Desmond. > So why did Widmore need Jin to see Desmond? Just an unlucky grab as someone to be bait for Flocke? IIRC, Widmore kidnapped Jin because Jin drew a map for Dharma in 1977 showing where various electromagnetic pockets were on the island, and Widmore wanted more info on it. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2010, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-12-everybody-loves-hugo/535966/120 "2010-04-15T15:15:55Z")
> [@Sir\_Prize](#): > > I knew Desmond was going to be pushed down the well the moment they got there but I didn’t see that hit and run at all. I knew both were going to happen. But I was left wondering why Desmond would be so sloppy-- it’s not at all clear that he’d kill Locke with the hit and run. Of course, this is “Lost”… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-12-everybody-loves-hugo/535966.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-12-everybody-loves-hugo/535966.md?page=7)