# LOST 6.16 "What They Died For"
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-16-what-they-died-for/539915
**Category:** Cafe Society
**Created:** [May 18, 2010, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-16-what-they-died-for/539915 "2010-05-18T17:30:53Z")
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### Author:  [@Trion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trion)
#### Post date: [May 18, 2010, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-16-what-they-died-for/539915/1 "2010-05-18T17:30:53Z")
Mouseover spoiler space.
Tonight’s the final episode of Lost before the finale on Sunday. I know little about the end and want to know less. But in advance of the end of the show, you should know this: Be prepared for a shocking twist! No, not in the episode. But in Sunday’s LOST THREAD ITSELF! Yes, that’s right - if everything goes according to plan, you will not only view Sunday’s thread differently, but you will also view previous LOST threads differently! Not all of them, but many! Ha!
(Now that I’ve said this, I’m sure something will come along to screw it up. FIngers crossed.)
Episode Summary for tonight:
Locke devises a new strategy; Jack’s group searches for Desmond.
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**Here are some interesting external links:**
[The Tail Section](http://www.thetailsection.com/): Excellent site for still frame photos of key scenes, along with some good analysis. But… beware of spoilers!
[Sledgeweb’s Lost… Stuff](http://lost.cubit.net/): Pretty good site, but again beware of spoilers. I use it mainly for the Timeline section, which is an incredibly detailed breakdown of “how long since…?” for almost anything you can think of (pre- and post-plane crash).
[Door Map from Episode 2.17](http://www.thetailsection.com/uploaded_images/cleanwall-707484.jpg). A nicely cleaned up version of the diagram Locke saw while pinned under the lockdown doors. No spoilers.
[Lostpedia](http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Main_Page): The wikipedia of Lost information. Quite a comprehensive site, but beware of spoilers!
[ThEmIsFiTiShErE](http://themisfitishere.blogspot.com/): The Misfit offers his whacky commentary on “Lost”. Is he a nut-case or a clever insider? Careful, though, possible spoilers.
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### Author:  [@Mr.Excellent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Excellent)
#### Post date: [May 18, 2010, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-16-what-they-died-for/539915/2 "2010-05-18T17:42:59Z")
Would Locke’s new strategy happen to be “I will shoot everybody (save, inexplicably, Claire) with this Very Large Gun?”
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### Author:  [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)
#### Post date: [May 18, 2010, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-16-what-they-died-for/539915/3 "2010-05-18T18:34:38Z")
I just heard about this show today. Is it too late to start watching?
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### Author:  [@Meatros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meatros)
#### Post date: [May 18, 2010, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-16-what-they-died-for/539915/4 "2010-05-18T19:09:44Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#):
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> I just heard about this show today. Is it too late to start watching?
No. There’s been six seasons, about 22 eps a season. If you start watching now and you DVR the finale you can be caught up.
Of course you will need to be mainlining caffeine to stay awake, but yes, you could do it… 😛
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### Author:  [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)
#### Post date: [May 18, 2010, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-16-what-they-died-for/539915/5 "2010-05-18T19:22:08Z")
I guess my joke fell flat. I was thinking what it would be like for someone to start watching tonight’s episode w/o having ever seen an earlier episode.
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### Author:  [@HenryGale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HenryGale)
#### Post date: [May 18, 2010, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-16-what-they-died-for/539915/6 "2010-05-18T19:38:12Z")
Was that a whoosh, or just another flash-sideways?
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### Author:  [@Edward\_The\_Head](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Edward_The_Head)
#### Post date: [May 18, 2010, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-16-what-they-died-for/539915/7 "2010-05-18T19:43:14Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#):
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> I guess my joke fell flat. I was thinking what it would be like for someone to start watching tonight’s episode w/o having ever seen an earlier episode.
I caught it, and thought about telling you not to bother because it really sucks so don’t bother. Bit late for that now.
Though I’m sure if you pulled a few all nighters you could just make it in time for the final.
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### Author:  [@Rushgeekgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rushgeekgirl)
#### Post date: [May 18, 2010, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-16-what-they-died-for/539915/8 "2010-05-18T20:29:01Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#):
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> I guess my joke fell flat. I was thinking what it would be like for someone to start watching tonight’s episode w/o having ever seen an earlier episode.
Honestly though it would make just about the same sense if you just started watching tonight.
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### Author:  [@Red\_Barchetta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Barchetta)
#### Post date: [May 18, 2010, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-16-what-they-died-for/539915/9 "2010-05-18T20:29:54Z")
> [@Rushgeekgirl](#):
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> Honestly though it would make just about the same sense if you just started watching tonight.
It’s true.
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### Author:  [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)
#### Post date: [May 18, 2010, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-16-what-they-died-for/539915/10 "2010-05-18T20:36:41Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#):
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> I guess my joke fell flat. I was thinking what it would be like for someone to start watching tonight’s episode w/o having ever seen an earlier episode.
Actually in the other thread, we’ve realized the first 5.5 seasons didn’t mean anything to the current plot so you could be caught up after a couple hours on Hulu
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### Author:  [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)
#### Post date: [May 18, 2010, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-16-what-they-died-for/539915/11 "2010-05-18T20:37:46Z")
> [@Rushgeekgirl](#):
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> Honestly though it would make just about the same sense if you just started watching tonight.
But… but… you wouldn’t know about the Door Map. Or the numbers. Or the Black Rock. Oh yeah… those don’t matter anymore!
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### Author:  [@Winston\_Bongo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Winston_Bongo)
#### Post date: [May 18, 2010, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-16-what-they-died-for/539915/12 "2010-05-18T21:17:41Z")
Well, to be fair, the Black Rock _was_ kind of relevant. At least I liked how they worked it in with Richard’s story.
Of course, the most awesome reveal we’ve gotten so far this season was when Hurley found Shannon’s inhaler. You could hear the collective OMG! from _Lost_ fans around the world. So THAT’S where it was! Six years of suspense finally resolved!
All snarkiness aside, a friend who was lucky enough to attend the “Lost Live” event last week reported that tonight’s episode is about 6,000 times better than “Across the Sea.” Of course, getting to watch it on a big screen, days before everyone else, with a live orchestra and most of the stars in attendance might sway one’s judgment just a _tad_.
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### Author:  [@Shoeless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shoeless)
#### Post date: [May 18, 2010, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-16-what-they-died-for/539915/13 "2010-05-18T21:27:35Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#):
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> I guess my joke fell flat. I was thinking what it would be like for someone to start watching tonight’s episode w/o having ever seen an earlier episode.
Well, if it makes you feel any better, I thought it was funny, because I remembered you being the one who ran the LOST threads the first couple of seasons. 😃
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### Author:  [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)
#### Post date: [May 18, 2010, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-16-what-they-died-for/539915/14 "2010-05-18T21:30:19Z")
I am, through herculean effort, keeping an open mind going in to tonight’s episode and not automatically assuming that is going to suck goat nards.
Although, I have a friend who was about to start watching Lost from the beginning via Netflix, and I told her not to bother and to watch Babylon 5 instead.
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### Author:  [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)
#### Post date: [May 18, 2010, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-16-what-they-died-for/539915/15 "2010-05-18T21:31:35Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#):
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> Actually in the other thread, we’ve realized the first 5.5 seasons didn’t mean anything to the current plot so you could be caught up after a couple hours on Hulu
Actually, you’ve shown that you weren’t paying attention. 😃
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### Author:  [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)
#### Post date: [May 18, 2010, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-16-what-they-died-for/539915/16 "2010-05-18T21:41:25Z")
> [@Winston\_Bongo](#):
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> Well, to be fair, the Black Rock _was_ kind of relevant. At least I liked how they worked it in with Richard’s story.
Richard is relevant? 😉
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### Author:  [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)
#### Post date: [May 18, 2010, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-16-what-they-died-for/539915/17 "2010-05-18T22:34:42Z")
Did we ever learn Richard’s exact age?
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### Author:  [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)
#### Post date: [May 18, 2010, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-16-what-they-died-for/539915/18 "2010-05-18T22:50:33Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#):
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> Did we ever learn Richard’s exact age?
_Ab Aeterno_ starts in 1867. We don’t know his exact age, but assume he’s about 40 when this takes place, and that would make him about 190 in 2007.
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### Author:  [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)
#### Post date: [May 18, 2010, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-16-what-they-died-for/539915/19 "2010-05-18T22:51:52Z")
Big spoilers!!
I mean it!
Everybody’s back, including Richard, Ben, Miles and Des.
It’s a big episode for Charles Widmore.
Major developments transpire in Los Angeles. We catch up with Hurley, Desmond, Kate, Sayid, Jack, John, Ben, Alex, Danielle and Ana Lucia.
We learn why Sun said “It’s him!” when she saw Locke.
We learn why Kate’s name was crossed off on the cave wall.
We learn Shepard, Ford and Reyes are not the only candidates left.
We learn this week which of the candidates succeeds Jacob.
source:
[http://www.aintitcool.com/node/45136](http://www.aintitcool.com/node/45136)
Brian
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### Author:  [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)
#### Post date: [May 18, 2010, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-16-what-they-died-for/539915/20 "2010-05-18T22:51:58Z")
> [@Shoeless](#):
>
> Well, if it makes you feel any better, I thought it was funny, because I remembered you being the one who ran the LOST threads the first couple of seasons. 😃
I also remember how those threads about the early episodes went to multiple pages before the show even aired on the West Coast, and then regularly hit ten or more pages. Now, not so much.
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