# LOST 6.17 "The End" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 23, 2010, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-17-the-end/540459 "2010-05-23T15:16:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 25
**Author:** ![ProfessorX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@ProfessorX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ProfessorX)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2010, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-17-the-end/540459/481 "2010-05-26T18:42:29Z")
> [@Palo\_Verde](#): > > I have following LOST faithfully since the beginning. I have never missed a show and I lurk at a LOST fan site. This has been the only show I watch on a regular basis. > > I really really like the finale. I think wrapping up a show like this is incredibly hard, and I though it highly unlikely they’d get it just right. > > They got it just right. > > I feel enough was answered for me to be satisfied, and I appreciated the emphasis on the characters, because they are what has made me tune in all this time. My problem is really that they didn’t tie up the universe. Great job of ending the story of “Lost” but things were answered about the universe that the show operates in. Still I did like the finale though. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2010, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-17-the-end/540459/482 "2010-05-26T18:58:37Z")
> [@Red\_Barchetta](#): > > Not all art is good. See: the artist who pooped in a box and put it on display. Poop in a box would definitely get people talking 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2010, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-17-the-end/540459/483 "2010-05-26T19:01:09Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > Poop in a box would definitely get people talking 🙂 Hey, if you want me to take a dump in a box and mark it guaranteed, I will. I got spare time. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Barchetta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/da6949/32.png) [@Red\_Barchetta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Barchetta)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2010, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-17-the-end/540459/484 "2010-05-26T19:06:09Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > Poop in a box would definitely get people talking 🙂 Which is exactly my point 😛 ---
**Author:** ![phungi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/phungi/32/395_2.png) [@phungi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/phungi)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2010, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-17-the-end/540459/485 "2010-05-26T19:15:05Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > You can’t tell which particular wound is worse than another just by looking at the bloodstain on the shirt on TV. Locke may have been very lucky and had his bullet push his intestines or whatever out of the way, Jack may have had his intestines sliced in half, or his stomach ruptured, or a major artery nicked, or whatever. > > Also, the island was done with him. 😃 similarly, some wounds are _situational_, like Kate’s bullet wound: while it caused her to wince in pain with every step while hiking to the cliffs, it did not prevent her from swimming two significant lengths using freestyle strokes… ---
**Author:** ![jackdavinci](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackdavinci/32/3259_2.png) [@jackdavinci](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jackdavinci)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2010, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-17-the-end/540459/486 "2010-05-26T23:42:28Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > Since he was following Jacob’s explicit instructions, conveyed via the list he got from Richard, I’ll be damned if I know what he did wrong. It was strongly implied in the episodes with Juliet flashbacks and where Richard is grooming Locke, that Ben: 1. Might be pushing his style of leadership so far that even if he’s technically carrying out Jacob’s will, he’s still somewhat of a loose cannon 2. The whole fertility thing is _all Ben_ and has nothing to do with Jacob, and the Others aren’t really happy about him focusing so much on the issue. ---
**Author:** ![Arcite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/67e7ee/32.png) [@Arcite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arcite)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2010, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-17-the-end/540459/487 "2010-05-27T00:03:28Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > \*Since he was following Jacob’s explicit instructions, conveyed via the list he got from Richard, I’ll be damned if I know what he did wrong. He didn’t get instructions from Jacob, just “lists.” We’ve been led to believe that these lists are of people. Richard said that Jacob “never tells us what to do.” ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2010, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-17-the-end/540459/488 "2010-05-27T00:56:14Z")
That’s inconsistant. We’re told around the “The Other 48 Days” episode that Jacob wanted specific “special” people brought to the Other’s camp. (Hence the kidnapping of Locke, Hurley, Sawyer, Kate and Waaaaalt" along with the half-dozen tailies The Others didn’t kill. Jacob may not have told Ben to kill anyone, but he certainly told him to gather some of the survivors (via the List(s?) given to Richard) ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2010, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-17-the-end/540459/489 "2010-05-27T01:05:47Z")
I talked with my mom today. She likes “Lost”, but she loooooooves Matthew Fox. She also says I look like him, which shows that motherly love affects the eyesight. Anyways, something mom pointed out today that I don’t think I’ve seen before. Jack gets stabbed in the side and sacrifices himself for the good of the world. So, Jesus. Christian is the father who leads the way into Heaven, at the end in the Church. Jacob (then Hurley) is the Holy Spirit. I, personally, don’t remember what the Holy Spirit does, so I can’t remember the actual function. She’s about as religious as I am, so she’s not a fundie nut trying to push anything. Opinions? -Joe ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2010, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-17-the-end/540459/490 "2010-05-27T01:15:16Z")
I think there are a plethora of religious symbols and themes in this show, and trying to pin any one religion’s mythos onto it doesn’t work. It’s ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2010, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-17-the-end/540459/491 "2010-05-27T01:34:10Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …okay everybody, this is my opinion on what happened to Desmond. > > \… > > He tells Jack about this future he has seen. He talks about meeting Jack on Oceanic. But this wasn’t the future that Desmond was seeing, it was the genesis of the shared afterlife. This scene also clarifies that what we see in the sideways wasn’t just Jack’s vision: but an actual shared reality that actually “existed.”… \ In other words, “See ya in another life, brudda.” ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2010, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-17-the-end/540459/492 "2010-05-27T01:37:58Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I think there are a plethora of religious symbols and themes in this show, and trying to pin any one religion’s mythos onto it doesn’t work. It’s Not really talking about the whole series so much as specifically the last episode. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2010, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-17-the-end/540459/493 "2010-05-27T01:44:11Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally Posted by **Long Time Lurker** > > Unfortunately, this doesn’t explain why Jack was not turned into the next smoke monster when he came in contact with the well water.. Can’t rectify that one. Fanwank: Because Jack drank the kool-aid (which protected him somehow), while MIB didn’t. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2010, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-17-the-end/540459/494 "2010-05-27T02:51:43Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I think there are a plethora of religious symbols and themes in this show, and trying to pin any one religion’s mythos onto it doesn’t work. It’s I think John was about to say \*\*\*"It’s …all about the polar bear".\*\*\* You _did_ see it in the back of the church, right? Behind the last pew-- you catch a glimpse of him (although played by a her, I’ve read) during the _Jack Hugging His Fellow Campers_ Scene. Well, I did. And I’m not going to rewatch it and risk not seeing it. ---
**Author:** ![salinqmind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3ec8ea/32.png) [@salinqmind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/salinqmind)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2010, 11:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-17-the-end/540459/495 "2010-05-27T11:55:59Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > I talked with my mom today. She likes “Lost”, but she loooooooves Matthew Fox. She also says I look like him, which shows that motherly love affects the eyesight. > > Anyways, something mom pointed out today that I don’t think I’ve seen before. > > Jack gets stabbed in the side and sacrifices himself for the good of the world. So, Jesus. > > Christian is the father who leads the way into Heaven, at the end in the Church. > > Jacob (then Hurley) is the Holy Spirit. > > I, personally, don’t remember what the Holy Spirit does, so I can’t remember the actual function. > > She’s about as religious as I am, so she’s not a fundie nut trying to push anything. > > Opinions? > > -Joe I like it! It meshes perfectly with this awesome picture: [http://www.larryfire.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/lostlastsupper2.jpg](http://www.larryfire.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/lostlastsupper2.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Nature\_s\_Call](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nature_s_call/32/19006_2.png) [@Nature\_s\_Call](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nature_s_Call)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2010, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-17-the-end/540459/496 "2010-05-27T14:16:21Z")
Okay, Now reality is really sinking in. The posts in this thread are down to a mere trickle and will stop very soon. LOST really is over, isn’t it? Let me add my voice to those early in this thread: You all, everybody, enchanced the LOST experience by always being here to dissect the show, being smarter than me and expressing my own thoughts better than I could myself. Thank you all, and particular thanks to **John Mace** and **Trion** for being our hosts. See you all in another life… ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2010, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-17-the-end/540459/497 "2010-05-27T14:49:50Z")
This may seem like stupid question at this point, but did we ever learn where “The Hostiles” came from? Other than Richard, of course. I suppose we are to assume that they were contemporaneous with the Dharma Folks, or had arrived on boats fairly recently, since they all spoke unaccented American English. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2010, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-17-the-end/540459/498 "2010-05-27T15:40:51Z")
> [@Arcite](#): > > He didn’t get instructions from Jacob, just “lists.” We’ve been led to believe that these lists are of people. Richard said that Jacob “never tells us what to do.” Right. In the “Ab Aeterno” episode Jacob tells Richard that he doesn’t get involved and wants people to do the right thing on their own without his interference. So Ben did all the bad stuff on his own and not because Jacob told him to. ---
**Author:** ![fiddlesticks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddlesticks/32/18129_2.png) [@fiddlesticks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fiddlesticks)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2010, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-17-the-end/540459/499 "2010-05-27T16:22:11Z")
> [@brix11](#): > > [This recap](http://jezebel.com/5546559/lost-finale-recap-case-closed) suggests some answers that connected many dots for me. Now I understand! The Island was made by Linksys! “South Park did it.” 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2010, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-17-the-end/540459/500 "2010-05-27T17:22:01Z")
> [@Tahssa](#): > > Right. In the “Ab Aeterno” episode Jacob tells Richard that he doesn’t get involved and wants people to do the right thing on their own without his interference. So Ben did all the bad stuff on his own and not because Jacob told him to. Except that directly contradicts the fact that in several earlier episodes, we _see_ the list that Richard gave Ben (presumably from Jacob). Ab Aeterno can try to retcon it, but that doesn’t fit with a bunch of earlier episodes. (swiped from Lostpedia) > [@](#): > > In “I Do”, Danny Pickett mentioned that “Shephard wasn’t even on Jacob’s list”. > > In “Par Avion”, Mikhail states that Kate is not on the list because she is “flawed”; Sayid is not on the list because he is “weak and frightened”; and Locke is not on the list because he is angry. > > Later, in “The Other Woman”, Ben doesn’t specifically say he is talking about Jacob’s list, but it is implied when he says, “Who are we to question who’s on the list and who’s not?” to Juliet in response to her concerns about taking Zach and Emma from the tail-section survivors. > > In “The Incident, Part 2”, Ben talks about Jacob giving Ben lists and bits of paper, in reference that there was more than one list. > > On the twelfth night after the crash, a group of Others came and took nine of the survivors. Ana Lucia found a list on one of the Others, whom she had killed with a stone. She realized that the list had the names of the nine people who had been taken, as well as what they looked like and what they were wearing. Goodwin later told Ana Lucia that Nathan was not on the list because he “was not a good person.” (“The Other 48 Days”) . So Ab Aeterno is just out-and-out wrong, based on previous evidence. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-17-the-end/540459.md?page=24) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-17-the-end/540459.md?page=26)