# LOST 6.3 What Kate Does **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 9, 2010, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-3-what-kate-does/528340 "2010-02-09T22:58:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Wheelz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wheelz/32/5718_2.png) [@Wheelz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wheelz)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-3-what-kate-does/528340/61 "2010-02-10T20:36:38Z")
Quick question about something completely unimportant to the plot: What was in the box that Sawyer dug up from the floorboards? Something that was important to him and Juliet, surely, but I didn’t see exactly what it was. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-3-what-kate-does/528340/62 "2010-02-10T20:46:45Z")
Here’s the last 15 minutes of my recording, let’s look for clues: 45:00 - Kate and Sawyer have their little chat on the pier about Juliet. Both get all weepy. Theory: Not much here. 46:00 - Jack and Dogen have their talk about his speaking Japanese and how he needs to stay separate from his minions. Jack asks if Dogen is from here, he response by saying that he was “brought here” like Jack and everyone else. Theory: This one seems pretty huge. Maybe we get confirmation that everyone on the island was manipulated or directly forced to come to the island by Jacob (and Esau?). This itself pretty much confirms it, but time will tell how plainly the writers decide to spell it out later. 48:00 - Jack and Dogen have their conversation about the pill and Jack tried to swallow it. Dogen Heimlich’s him and makes him cough it up and confesses that it’s poison. Theory: Maybe this means the infection/poison thing is going to be very important beyond them just wanting to kill infected Sayid. Commercial Break 53:00 - The FBI comes to visit Claire in the hospital in ATL. Claire covers for Kate and they share sweet nothings. Claire gives Kate her credit card and then leaves. Theory: Claire’s baby might be important in ATL. Maybe this indicates that the Losties all helping each other in ATL is important, like Jack and Locke getting along in last weeks ep. 56:00 - Kate fills up the water bottle in Little Otherton and gives Sawyer a meaningful look as he ignores here and goes into his old house. Kate’s all sad. Theory: Probably nothing. 57:00 - Dogen, Jack and Translator have a chat about Jack “swallowing” the pill. They have tea and they explain that Sayid has been “claimed”. The infection is spreading and when it reaches his heart he’ll be “gone”. Jack asks how they can be sure, and they explain that it happened to his sister (Claire). Theory: I thought it was weird that the Translator specifically asks if Jack “swallowed” the pill. Dogen says that “yes, he did” even though we clearly see that he stopped him from doing so. This is either just vague dialogue and he’s confirming that Jack partially/attempted to swallow it, or he’s telling the Translator a lie. I’m probably reading too much into it. Obviously the big reveal here is that Claire was “claimed”. Again more confirmation that the infections are setting up to be the key point of this season. 58:00 - Jin walks to the stream and gets jumped by Aldo and the nice black dude. Aldo and the nice black dude debate killing him and NBD says that they can’t because he’s “one of them”. Also argues that he “_may be_ one of them”. Jin runs and gets caught in a bear trap and Aldo is about to shoot him. Aldo gets shot in the chest by crazy jungle Claire and NBD gets shot in the shoulder, presumably surviving. Jin looks up and recognizes Claire. Claire lowers her gun and has a confused, not-really-knowing look on her face. Cut to the Lost logo. Theory: First I’m curious what the new others mean when they say that Jin is “one of them” and Aldo says he “may be”. One of them meaning a Lostie? One of them meaning someone on Jacob’s list? One of them meaning something more significant? Obviously NBD thinks that it means they are either good or at least important and unkillable. Aldo implies that either their information is wrong or that Jin could be an imposter. Not sure which, this might be meaningful. Additionally Claire popping up and being Rousseau Lite is clearly important. Her confused look when she sees Jin obviously implies that she’s not entirely herself but that she’s also not entirely possessed either. Once again either Claire is critical to the rest of the season or the “infection” is important to the rest of the season. Maybe both, maybe not. Fun, fun. ---
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-3-what-kate-does/528340/63 "2010-02-10T20:50:08Z")
Kate knocks Mac out and springs the trap that dumps rocks on the other Other. Jin asks what she’s doing, and Kate says “escaping.” Then they leave. Here’s what I was screaming at the TV: “Escaping? OK. Here’s an idea, though - first let’s tie these two up, hold our guns to their heads, and MAKE THEM TELL US ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING THEY KNOW ABOUT THIS GODDAMN ISLAND AND WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON HERE” Ugh. This show is maddening. I’ve decided to just let is wash over me and not get bogged down in the details. For example, I had completely forgotten until I read this thread who Jack’s sister was. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-3-what-kate-does/528340/64 "2010-02-10T20:51:48Z")
> [@Wheelz](#): > > Quick question about something completely unimportant to the plot: What was in the box that Sawyer dug up from the floorboards? Something that was important to him and Juliet, surely, but I didn’t see exactly what it was. All we saw was him pulling out a little velvet bag. Presumably the engagement ring that he throws into the lake later was in it. ---
**Author:** ![ekweizn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7c8e57/32.png) [@ekweizn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekweizn)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-3-what-kate-does/528340/65 "2010-02-10T21:06:42Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > Not likely. The psychic was probably just Jacob’s way of drawing people to the island or it was just the island drawing people to it in it’s own bizarre way. We haven’t seen any reason to think that Esau is anything more than an opportunist. Why wouldn’t Esau actively look for his loophole? > [@](#): > > I think the Ash is either ash from burnt [banyan trees](http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Banyan) or just ground up tree material. We’ve seen Smokey turned away or at least restrained by just two things on the show, the Ash and those trees. I think they are one in the same, and I wouldn’t be surprised if the pill made of it. The sonic fences around the Dharma barracks also keep the smoke monster out, as I recall. ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_Prize](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d2c977/32.png) [@Sir\_Prize](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_Prize)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-3-what-kate-does/528340/66 "2010-02-10T21:14:46Z")
> [@Dogzilla](#): > > If the “sickness” is a darkness inside that grows… and we see from the last few seconds of this ep that a darker Claire is running loose, setting traps and whatnot… then I’m starting to think that Rousseau had the sickness. Perhaps it was the sickness that actually made her kill her lover & travel companions in the first place. We saw the French team acting twisted and dangerous when CFL shot them. I think Jin saw it too. > [@middleman](#): > > If Horace died in the blast, who would be there to get a dying baby Ben to the hospital? Ben was thirteen at the time of the blast. Wasn’t Ethan on the island at the time of the blast? That implies that some people escaped before it sank. A post-temple Ben might show up in the non-crash timeline.Same for Richard. ---
**Author:** ![well\_he\_s\_back](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/3ab097/32.png) [@well\_he\_s\_back](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/well_he_s_back)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-3-what-kate-does/528340/67 "2010-02-10T21:22:21Z")
Repeating my earlier question – why is it important to the others to get Sawyer back to the Temple? (It’s important to me because I think Josh Holloway is doing a kick-ass job; I admit I teared up when he was on the pier). ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-3-what-kate-does/528340/68 "2010-02-10T21:51:56Z")
> [@ekweizn](#): > > Why wouldn’t Esau actively look for his loophole? There’s a line between looking for a loophole and creating this elaborate ruse to get this particular Aussie girl to the island and then waiting months before using her. Esau seems to be able to infect/possess whomever he chooses so long as the circumstances are right Ben obviously worked out just fine and it doesn’t appear that Esau manipulated him into coming. It’s just too much of a stretch that Claire was singled out way back then unless you think _every single person_ brought to the island was manipulated by Esau instead of Jacob. Based on everything we’ve seen Jacob (or the island itself) is the one drawing people, Esau is just using the ones that come for his purposes when he can. > [@](#): > > The sonic fences around the Dharma barracks also keep the smoke monster out, as I recall. Good point. Though I’m trying to remember if the fence kept him out specifically or not. > [@well\_he\_s\_back](#): > > Repeating my earlier question – why is it important to the others to get Sawyer back to the Temple? (It’s important to me because I think Josh Holloway is doing a kick-ass job; I admit I teared up when he was on the pier). Presumably because he’s on “the list” that Jacob put inside the Ankh, which probably resembles the list that Jacob gave to Richard/Ben back in season 3. Beyond that it’s anyone’s guess. Apparently Jacob thinks these certain Losties are special, I’m not aware of many hints as to why. ---
**Author:** ![GilaB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8e7dd6/32.png) [@GilaB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GilaB)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-3-what-kate-does/528340/69 "2010-02-10T22:00:45Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > Good point. Though I’m trying to remember if the fence kept him out specifically or not. Yes - remember the episode where Juliette is ‘left behind’ when the Others move on, handcuffed to Kate in the jungle? When Smokey appears, the two of them run inside the perimeter, then Juliette activates the sonic fence, keeping Smokey out. IIRC, it ends up very visibly pushed up against the invisible barrier. ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-3-what-kate-does/528340/70 "2010-02-10T22:02:59Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > 58:00 - Jin walks to the stream and gets jumped by Aldo and the nice black dude. Aldo and the nice black dude debate killing him and NBD says that they can’t because he’s “one of them”. Also argues that he “_may be_ one of them”. Jin runs and gets caught in a bear trap and Aldo is about to shoot him. Aldo gets shot in the chest by crazy jungle Claire and NBD gets shot in the shoulder, presumably surviving. Jin looks up and recognizes Claire. Claire lowers her gun and has a confused, not-really-knowing look on her face. Cut to the Lost logo. > > Theory: First I’m curious what the new others mean when they say that Jin is “one of them” and Aldo says he “may be”. One of them meaning a Lostie? One of them meaning someone on Jacob’s list? One of them meaning something more significant? Obviously NBD thinks that it means they are either good or at least important and unkillable. Aldo implies that either their information is wrong or that Jin could be an imposter. Not sure which, this might be meaningful. > > Fun, fun. Great post! I am thinking he meant someone other than someone merely on Jacob’s list. Wouldn’t that be “one of _us_?” > [@Omniscient](#): > > All we saw was him pulling out a little velvet bag. Presumably the engagement ring that he throws into the lake later was in it. Probably the answer. Good call. > [@Sir\_Prize](#): > > We saw the French team acting twisted and dangerous when CFL shot them. I think Jin saw it too. > > Ben was thirteen at the time of the blast. Wasn’t Ethan on the island at the time of the blast? That implies that some people escaped before it sank. A post-temple Ben might show up in the non-crash timeline.Same for Richard. Doh! Timeline headache! > [@Omniscient](#): > > Good point. Though I’m trying to remember if the fence kept him out specifically or not. In the episode where Kate and Juliet are handcuffed, it specifically shows the fences stopping Smokie. Richard also comments that the fences work on some things but not on him. ---
**Author:** ![Dogzilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@Dogzilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dogzilla)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-3-what-kate-does/528340/71 "2010-02-10T22:06:52Z")
> [@Sir\_Prize](#): > > We saw the French team acting twisted and dangerous when CFL shot them. I think Jin saw it too. Hmmm… Okay, well that was in self-defense. We still have no evidence that CFL wasn’t _also_ infected (later), because there was nobody left in her group to mercy-kill her. She was very different when the Losties got there, from how and who she was when we saw her kill her team. We’ve been attributing that to 16 years of solitude (on an island that’s virtually packed with people and travelers), but isn’t it also still possible that CFL was infected? ---
**Author:** ![CJJ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecc23a/32.png) [@CJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CJJ)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-3-what-kate-does/528340/72 "2010-02-10T22:17:28Z")
> [@Winston\_Bongo](#): > > I was disappointed in last night’s episode. Kate meets Claire by shoving a gun in her face and taking her hostage . . . and a few hours later they’re BFFs. What are they, 13? IMO this strange behavior indicates that the actions/feelings/emotions of the island timeline are somehow carried over to the LAX timeline. Claire blurting out the name Aaron is a good example–she said she didn’t know why that name popped into here head, while it’s clear from earlier seasons that she had trouble coming up with a name until some time after the child was born (which means she hadn’t really been thinking about a name prior to getting on the plane). I think despite the circumstances Kate and Claire felt a kinship in the LAX timeline because they were close in the island timeline. This carry-over probably works both ways; I’m pretty sure Juliet’s comments about “having coffee–we can go Dutch” before she dies will pop up in a future LAX timeline. ---
**Author:** ![Shoeless](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shoeless/32/7099_2.png) [@Shoeless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shoeless)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-3-what-kate-does/528340/73 "2010-02-10T22:19:18Z")
> [@crazyjoe](#): > > Esau seems to be suggesting that he is trapped away from his “Home” but appears pretty much anywhere on the Island that’s not protected by ash circles. So it would seem to suggest that he’s trapped on the island. This idea may have already been floated in last week’s thread, but my wife’s theory is that “Home” is the Temple. Not sure why the Others are so desperate to keep him out though. ---
**Author:** ![Apos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/838e76/32.png) [@Apos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apos)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-3-what-kate-does/528340/74 "2010-02-10T23:08:00Z")
I don’t think anywhere on the Island is his home: his comparison of Locke seemed to imply that (Locke wanted to stay on the Island). The Island may well be his prison: may even exist solely to be his prison for all we know. ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_Prize](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d2c977/32.png) [@Sir\_Prize](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_Prize)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-3-what-kate-does/528340/75 "2010-02-10T23:16:18Z")
> [@well\_he\_s\_back](#): > > Repeating my earlier question – why is it important to the others to get Sawyer back to the Temple? (It’s important to me because I think Josh Holloway is doing a kick-ass job; I admit I teared up when he was on the pier). I’m guessing that if Esau kills/infects all the Losties he wins. ---
**Author:** ![jackdavinci](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackdavinci/32/3259_2.png) [@jackdavinci](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jackdavinci)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2010, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-3-what-kate-does/528340/76 "2010-02-11T01:34:06Z")
> [@Shadez](#): > > If you look at the date of Claire’s [sonogram](http://lost-forum.com/showpost.php?p=270096122&postcount=14), it says 10/22/2004 – so the not-LOST flight is a month later than it originally was. > > Or it is a typo. 😉 Gregg Nations confirmed it was a typo. > [@Dogzilla](#): > > If the “sickness” is a darkness inside that grows… and we see from the last few seconds of this ep that a darker Claire is running loose, setting traps and whatnot… then I’m starting to think that Rousseau had the sickness. Based on our time with the French team, it seems pretty clear that the rest of the team was infected but Danielle was not. I’m guessing her pregnancy helped her resist infection, or maybe it was just that she didn’t enter the temple. I also think there’s a big distinction between _ **infection** _, which affects islander’s actual bodies and makes them act violent and crazy (French team, probably Claire, probably Sayid), and may correlate with injury, and _ **impersonation** _, which only happens to dead people, and doesn’t affect their original bodies (Alex, Locke, Christian, Yemi). In addition to that are _ghosts_ seen by Hurley and heard by Miles, and _dreams / hallucinations_ of Locke, Boone, Charlie, Kate, and possibly Hurley. Christian has been seen a whole bunch of times, even off island. It seems that most of these were MiB, but perhaps a few were his ghost. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2010, 10:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-3-what-kate-does/528340/77 "2010-02-11T10:19:18Z")
Are you SURE Gregg Nations confirmed it was a typo? I’m thinking that it might have something to do with more deja vu happening for Jack Sheppard. When he was improsioned by Ben and Juliet, Ben showed him the tape of the Boston Red Sox winning the World Series in 2004 as proof that the world still exists. That World Series began on 10/23/2004. (!!!) Jungle Claire looks soooooo cute! I wish I was her gun strap. 😃 Seriously though, I think that Aaron has a lot more to do with this season than we think. Was Claire ever chosen by Jacob? IS AARON JACOB?? (oof, headache coming) What if this whole story is just a massive chess game between Jacob and MIB/Esau? Pieces being “claimed”, backgammon on the beach, light/dark, white/black, infected/non-infected? Maybe whoever wins gets to pick the next planet to invade and try building another Atlantis like we saw at the beginning of this season? ---
**Author:** ![ekweizn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7c8e57/32.png) [@ekweizn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekweizn)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2010, 10:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-3-what-kate-does/528340/78 "2010-02-11T10:42:09Z")
Possibly relevant for all the talk about backgammon and chess in this thread, here’s an English version of the brilliant Spanish [LOST “chess” promo](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQ1HnEG4-is) for Season 6. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2010, 11:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-3-what-kate-does/528340/79 "2010-02-11T11:01:47Z")
Cool promo. Is Kate supposed to be a bishop? 😃 One more thing on Claire: she has NEVER left the island. Not once, er-- as far as we know. Sayid, Sawyer and Jin have been on boats/rafts, but Claire hasn’t left since the crash. She had Aaron on the island, surprising Charlotte mostly, lost her memory, pals around with ghost-Christian… Maybe if she’s a chess piece, she’s graduated to Queen. ---
**Author:** ![crazyjoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f14d63/32.png) [@crazyjoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crazyjoe)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2010, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-3-what-kate-does/528340/80 "2010-02-11T14:43:09Z")
> [@Apos](#): > > I don’t think anywhere on the Island is his home: his comparison of Locke seemed to imply that (Locke wanted to stay on the Island). The Island may well be his prison: may even exist solely to be his prison for all we know. I took the quote to mean Locke wanted to stay here (and not go home), but I want to go home. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-3-what-kate-does/528340.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-3-what-kate-does/528340.md?page=5)