# LOST 6.3 What Kate Does **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 9, 2010, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-3-what-kate-does/528340 "2010-02-09T22:58:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-3-what-kate-does/528340/101 "2010-02-12T17:14:17Z")
Here is a timeline explaining why it is 2007 instead of 2004: The O6, Desmond, Frank, and Ben were back home for three years. Aaron grows from a baby to a toddler. Jack suffers numerous personal crises. Walt gets tall. During that same three years, Richard stayed at the foot of the statue while some Others stayed at the Temple (he comments that he hasn’t seen Locke in three years). The Non O6 Oceanic Survivors and Khana crew who survived jumped around in time. There, many of the Oceanics (Frogurt and redshirts) were flaming arrowed. Finally they settled in the 1970s (except Charlotte, who died in some version of the past). The 70’s people work for the Dharma initiative (Sawyer, Juliet, Jin, Miles, and Dan in Ann Arbor). They spend three years there, while the three years pass for the O6. When the O6 land the Ajira on Hyrda Island, it is still 2007. Sun, Frank, Ben, and Locke’s body remain in 2007. However, Jack, Hurley, Kate, and Sayid jump back to 1977 with Sawyer et. al. Then Dan dies, and Juliet sets off the nuke. That sends all of the time displaced Losties back to 2007 (Well, we still do not know if Rose and Bernard got sent back.) That brings us to the current episodes, where it gets even more confusing. Now we have Universe A where it is 2007 and the characters are still acting like nothing odd (relatively speaking) has happened. Then we have Universe B(“The Mongooses”) where everyone is back in 2004 and the plane didn’t crash. The real wildcard in all of this is John Locke. He is the only person who did not live out the three years between 2004 and 2007 (or '74 to '77). When he turned the frozen donkey wheel in late 2004 (or maybe early 2005), he was sent directly to 2007. Essentially, he gained three years of life, as he did not age. Of course, I don’t think it will benefit him now. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-3-what-kate-does/528340/102 "2010-02-12T17:41:58Z")
> [@middleman](#): > > Here is a timeline explaining why it is 2007 instead of 2004: Has this been confirmed by anyone among the writers or producers? ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-3-what-kate-does/528340/103 "2010-02-12T18:01:59Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > Has this been confirmed by anyone among the writers or producers? Not that I have seen, but I don’t see why confirmation is necessary. The facts presented seem pretty straight forward. \* The only way I could think of that it was no longer 2007 in the Temple/Flocke timeline is if Richard and those at the statue jumped in time when the bomb went off in the past. They had not been jumping around before, so I find it improbable. Not impossible mind you, but to my mind it seems unlikely. Reasonable minds may disagree, but I don’t see any evidence or any other reason to doubt the timeline. ETA: - Straight foward for this show anyway. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-3-what-kate-does/528340/104 "2010-02-12T18:06:52Z")
Rose and Bernard as the backgammon-clutching remains in the cave is also a somewhat tied loose end in that hypothetical. ---
**Author:** ![stpauler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@stpauler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stpauler)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-3-what-kate-does/528340/105 "2010-02-12T18:15:54Z")
> [@middleman](#): > > The real wildcard in all of this is John Locke. He is the only person who did not live out the three years between 2004 and 2007 (or '74 to '77). When he turned the frozen donkey wheel in late 2004 (or maybe early 2005), he was sent directly to 2007. Essentially, he gained three years of life, as he did not age. Of course, I don’t think it will benefit him now. Actually, Locke did live out the three years off of the island. First, he was in Tunisia, then he searched the globe for the O6. Eventually ending up in some cheap abode where Ben offed him. ---
**Author:** ![borschevsky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/97f17d/32.png) [@borschevsky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/borschevsky)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-3-what-kate-does/528340/106 "2010-02-12T18:23:02Z")
> [@stpauler](#): > > Actually, Locke did live out the three years off of the island. First, he was in Tunisia, then he searched the globe for the O6. Eventually ending up in some cheap abode where Ben offed him. No, Locke arrived in Tunisia in 2007 after turning the wheel. The time he spent meeting with the O6 was quite short, nowhere near 3 years. ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-3-what-kate-does/528340/107 "2010-02-12T19:46:04Z")
> [@stpauler](#): > > Actually, Locke did live out the three years off of the island. First, he was in Tunisia, then he searched the globe for the O6. Eventually ending up in some cheap abode where Ben offed him. Remember Widmore showing him the paper and telling him it had been three years since the O6 returned and that they hadn’t said a word about the island? ---
**Author:** ![stpauler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@stpauler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stpauler)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-3-what-kate-does/528340/108 "2010-02-12T19:49:14Z")
> [@middleman](#): > > Remember Widmore showing him the paper and telling him it had been three years since the O6 returned and that they hadn’t said a word about the island? Ahh, yes. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Mama\_Zappa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/71e660/32.png) [@Mama\_Zappa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mama_Zappa)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2010, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-3-what-kate-does/528340/109 "2010-02-14T17:48:33Z")
One thing that didn’t ring true was when Claire was in labor at 36 weeks, the doctor asking her if she wanted to have the baby now or try to stop things. A 36 week baby is still not _quite_ fully cooked, and they’re usually going to try to stop labor if at all possible. With the understanding that things may progress too fast, and/or not respond to the labor-stopping agents, and that most 36-weekers are just fine… They’re not going to as the mother which she prefers, they’re going to make medical recommendations. The mother is of course free to refuse interventions, but that conversation would NOT have happened the way it was depicted. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2010, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-3-what-kate-does/528340/110 "2010-02-15T14:46:42Z")
> [@Mama\_Zappa](#): > > They’re not going to as the mother which she prefers, they’re going to make medical recommendations. The mother is of course free to refuse interventions, but that conversation would NOT have happened the way it was depicted. Well, in fairness, the doctor was _Ethan_, so it’s possible something may be at work that we haven’t yet been shown. ---
**Author:** ![Shark\_Sandwich](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f04885/32.png) [@Shark\_Sandwich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shark_Sandwich)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2010, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-3-what-kate-does/528340/111 "2010-02-15T18:05:54Z")
> [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > Rose and Bernard as the backgammon-clutching remains in the cave is also a somewhat tied loose end in that hypothetical. Is it commonly understood that those were backgammon pieces (or stones used as pieces)? I always thought they were just stones. I’ve been waiting since Adam and Eve were discovered for an episode where the Losties cast lots (common with the Egyptian theme), using light and dark stones. I’ve always figured someone was going to draw the black stone, and someone who drew the white stone was going to stay with the other person, sacrificing themselves. Now what that really means I’m not sure. Maybe the person who drew the black stone has to stay on the island to “correct” something? ---
**Author:** ![Apos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/838e76/32.png) [@Apos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apos)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2010, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-3-what-kate-does/528340/112 "2010-02-15T21:11:10Z")
> [@Hampshire](#): > > The LAX timeline is not an alternate timeline that was created by the bomb.It is actually the original timeline of what originally occured. Flight 815 landed safely in LA. It was after eveyone arrived in LA that their lives started getting intertwined. Others living in LA as well as passengers of flight 815. Something bad happens (to people or the island) and needs to be fixed. The only way to fix it is for the passenger main characters to agree to go back in time to flight 815 and crash on the island. The catch is that by going back in time they will forget everthing that happend in LA. They agree to do it and -blam!- we’re back to season 1 episode 1. The passengers of 815 have forgotten everything. However the others on the island remember everything that happened in LA. I floated a variation of this, though less developed, after LA X. I think there has to be SOME element of this that’s correct. Taking the complaint against calling it the “original” timeline to heart, let’s just call it the opposite/opposing timeline. It may not make sense to call it the original for a different reason too: the timelines may simply end up causing each other. At the very least they have to reconcile. The producers have been very clear that the sideways flashes aren’t just supposed to be “what if!” amusements. There has to be something very significant going on as to why the Island sunk: something more important than just Jughead going off. The Island MATTERS somehow, and not having it around has repercussions. We’re probably going to get see what those are. What if, in LA X, Blackie HAS gone home? What if, in that timeline, original or no, he won, and whatever darkness there is has spread to the rest of the world? What if LA X is a world without Jacob? ---
**Author:** ![Apos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/838e76/32.png) [@Apos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apos)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2010, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-3-what-kate-does/528340/113 "2010-02-15T21:52:21Z")
Another obvious possibility is that LA X is the “happy ending” timeline after the main storyline has ended/come to its conclusion. i.e. we are seeing the final fate of our characters given that in the end of their storyline, they somehow bring about the destruction of the Island that reverberates back through time. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-3-what-kate-does/528340.md?page=5)