# LOST 6.5 "Lighthouse" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 23, 2010, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-5-lighthouse/530167 "2010-02-23T21:00:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2010, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-5-lighthouse/530167/101 "2010-02-24T15:48:36Z")
Kate took care of Aaron for three years, so it’s not like she bailed on a whim as soon as she hit the first hurdle. Also, she lied about being Aaron’s mom under direct instructions from Jack under penalty of being killed by whoever staged the fake plane wreckage. She couldn’t look for Claire’s relatives without endangering Aaron. At least that’s what the writers intended. Blame the weak writing for Kate keeping Aaron as her own. ---
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2010, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-5-lighthouse/530167/102 "2010-02-24T15:53:13Z")
> [@HelloNinja](#): > > “AIM @ 108” as in - Aim the lighthouse at this coordinate. This is what I saw too, independent of having read this post. ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2010, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-5-lighthouse/530167/103 "2010-02-24T15:55:49Z")
> [@Unauthorized\_Cinnamon](#): > > \*\*Dark2Phoenix \*\*suggested that the flashes are a final timeline - the ultimate outcome of all the island activity, which will somehow include everyone getting to improve their lives. At least everyone who is currently alive on the island. Ah… mhmm. Combine that with Jack’s strange non-remembering of his appendix surgery and his past with his son, and this makes me wonder, what if it’s all going to turn out something like that episode of ST:TNG where the crew arranged to give itself amnesia in order to avoid reporting on a particular planet the inhabitants of which would rather have destroyed the Enterprise than have it telling anyone else about its existence? This theory doesn’t quite line up straightforwardly with the idea that the Island is gone in the alternate timeline because of the explosion, but with a little elbow grease that could be made to fit… ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2010, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-5-lighthouse/530167/104 "2010-02-24T15:59:29Z")
> [@HelloNinja](#): > > I’m still seeing that middle letter as a cursive “i” flowing into an “m” to make “Aim.” Makes sense in context too. > > However - even if it’s supposed to be “Aim,” it could be purposefully ambiguous so that it could also be “Aaron.” Aim makes much more sense. You are aiming a mirror at a certain direction. ---
**Author:** ![well\_he\_s\_back](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/3ab097/32.png) [@well\_he\_s\_back](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/well_he_s_back)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2010, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-5-lighthouse/530167/105 "2010-02-24T16:00:03Z")
You know Kate (in the Oceanic 7 timeline) said she gave birth to Aaron, so she sorta had to raise him. I don’t see that as so evil. She did help to save him in the escape from the island sequence too. I’m not seeing the reason for the hate, in this instance, anyway. eta to say EllisDee commented on this before me, and better. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2010, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-5-lighthouse/530167/106 "2010-02-24T16:04:00Z")
> [@LateComer](#): > > Great shoutout to [Martin Gardner’s Annotated Alice.](http://www.amazon.com/Annotated-Alice-Definitive-Lewis-Carroll/dp/0393048470) I came into the thread to see if anyone else noted this, so I’ll just say: ditto. Annotated Alice totally rocks. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2010, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-5-lighthouse/530167/107 "2010-02-24T16:04:17Z")
The “Wallace” at 108 doesn’t look crossed out to me. [http://cloudhelmut.4t.com/wallace108.JPG](http://cloudhelmut.4t.com/wallace108.JPG) ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2010, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-5-lighthouse/530167/108 "2010-02-24T16:07:02Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > The “Wallace” at 108 doesn’t look crossed out to me. > > [http://cloudhelmut.4t.com/wallace108.JPG](http://cloudhelmut.4t.com/wallace108.JPG) That won’t do… too low-res and jpeggy. [Look here.](http://lost.cubit.net/assets_c/2010/02/6x04_lighthouse_names_8-2874.php) It’s pretty clear to me it’s [del]Wallace[/del] ETA: I just noticed Ben Linus is at 117 in that shot (and crossed out, of course). ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2010, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-5-lighthouse/530167/109 "2010-02-24T16:08:35Z")
With a name for every degree (Are they all candidates? Maybe some are and some arent?) we can assume that there are only 360 people that are able to be brought to the island? Or perhaps names can be changed/updated? ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2010, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-5-lighthouse/530167/110 "2010-02-24T16:09:13Z")
> [@HelloNinja](#): > > “AIM @ 108” as in - Aim the lighthouse at this coordinate. > Any chance this MiB/Jacob battle is more about Fate vs Free Will? Both seem to be strong themes throughout the entire series (along w/ Faith vs Science) and if we assume Jacob falls on the side of Free Will, it would explain why he’s such a fan of manipulative head games. He’s setting up characters to come to the conclusions and make the decisions that he wants/hopes that they will. > > So it’s a big chess match between the two, and as the MiB tells his pieces where to move - Jacob has to create environments for his pieces to move on their own. Heh–I see it exactly the other way: Jacob is fate: he’s fucking with people’s lives without their consent, he’s playing headgames. MiB let Ben make the decision on who to kill, let Sawyer decide to come or not, etc. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2010, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-5-lighthouse/530167/111 "2010-02-24T16:09:43Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > That won’t do… too low-res and jpeggy. > > [Look here.](http://lost.cubit.net/assets_c/2010/02/6x04_lighthouse_names_8-2874.php) It’s pretty clear to me it’s [del]Wallace[/del] Guess you’re right, in the lower res it sure didn’t. Looking at your shot I now notice “Faraday” is crossed out at 101. ---
**Author:** ![well\_he\_s\_back](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/3ab097/32.png) [@well\_he\_s\_back](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/well_he_s_back)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2010, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-5-lighthouse/530167/112 "2010-02-24T16:10:09Z")
re Alice - I thought of “Through the Looking Glass”, but Jack sort of smashed that, didn’t he. ---
**Author:** ![Shark\_Sandwich](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f04885/32.png) [@Shark\_Sandwich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shark_Sandwich)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2010, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-5-lighthouse/530167/113 "2010-02-24T16:10:22Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > That won’t do… too low-res and jpeggy. > > [Look here.](http://lost.cubit.net/assets_c/2010/02/6x04_lighthouse_names_8-2874.php) It’s pretty clear to me it’s [del]Wallace[/del] > ETA: I just noticed Ben Linus is at 117 in that shot (and crossed out, of course). [Or here.](http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/c/c7/Wallace.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2010, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-5-lighthouse/530167/114 "2010-02-24T16:17:39Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Looks like Adam @108 to me. I take that back. If you look around at other instances of lower case "d’ occurrences, they have much longer stems. I don’t see “aim” at all. Aaron makes more sense, and maybe Jacob is trying to get Aaron onto the Island-- remember, he was supposed to be on the Ajira flight. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2010, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-5-lighthouse/530167/115 "2010-02-24T16:24:52Z")
I don’t see “aim” either. I agree it make sense, of course… and I’m really trying to turn that second letter into an “i” in my head, but it’s not working. I just don’t see an “i” there. ---
**Author:** ![fiddlesticks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddlesticks/32/18129_2.png) [@fiddlesticks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fiddlesticks)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2010, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-5-lighthouse/530167/116 "2010-02-24T16:25:57Z")
The fact that Wallace is crossed out suggests to me that “Wallace” is a red herring. Jacob just wanted Jack to see the magical mirror, thus planting a seed which will somehow manipulate him into doing “the right thing” later on this season. ---
**Author:** ![II\_Gyan\_II](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/bbe5ce/32.png) [@II\_Gyan\_II](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/II_Gyan_II)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2010, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-5-lighthouse/530167/117 "2010-02-24T16:37:17Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > The theory goes that the flash-sideways is real reality. The island was always meant to be sunk. In the opening shot of S6, we see Dharmaville on the sunken surface. That means the island was above-water in the early 70s and the DI was established on it. Thus, something happened to the island in the 70s and it sank. Now, if the flash-sideways (hereby Alt-TL) is the original reality, then Jacob must have the power to make the island arise of his own accord, or prevent the sinking: since there already is an exposed island for Oceanic 815 to crash onto, and no action undertaken by the Losties since the crash in S1-5 indicate the outcome of raising a sunken island afloat. Hence Jacob shouldn’t need 815 Losties to keep the island afloat (at least not without postulating convoluted rules about what Jacob can or can’t do). More parsimoniously, Alt-TL is a result of the explosion in 1977. The island is apparently this malign influence and the bomb, as per Faraday, was supposed to fix things. The island, sunk, and also Julie’s last words(“It worked”), both point to this interpretation. I think the in-story reason for the Alt-TL is to show that while the bomb may have temporarily fixed things, it will ultimately resolve to the same FAIL or to some dissonant juncture. And only a decisive resolution in the original timeline will stitch things up. ---
**Author:** ![Wheelz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wheelz/32/5718_2.png) [@Wheelz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wheelz)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2010, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-5-lighthouse/530167/118 "2010-02-24T16:38:53Z")
Don’t forget that it was Hurley writing down Jacob’s instructions on his own arm. If it were “Aaron”, that surely would’ve raised a big “Whoa, what’s up with that, Dude?” from Hurley, and he probably would have shared that tidbit with Jack, and/or brought it up again when Jacob appeared at the lighthouse. ---
**Author:** ![phungi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/phungi/32/395_2.png) [@phungi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/phungi)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2010, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-5-lighthouse/530167/119 "2010-02-24T16:43:58Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > Latest EW nugget: The producers originally had two ideas, one is the flash-sideways and another is the island stuff. They couldn’t decide which one should be the final season. As in, they were either going to just have the flash-sideways be the entire season, or have the island stuff be the entire season. They couldn’t decide which way to go, and then someone suggested they do both. Eureka! > > I personally read that to mean that they’re pulling this out of their ass, and it’s not a question of which mysteries will they answer, but rather which mysteries will they make up an answer for. If the producers/writers _really_ planned everything from the start, we will see Waaaaalt in a future episode, but he will be the young Waaaaalt filmed from the first year… ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2010, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-5-lighthouse/530167/120 "2010-02-24T16:50:05Z")
> [@Wheelz](#): > > Don’t forget that it was Hurley writing down Jacob’s instructions on his own arm. If it were “Aaron”, that surely would’ve raised a big “Whoa, what’s up with that, Dude?” from Hurley, Happened off camera. 🙂 > [@](#): > > and he probably would have shared that tidbit with Jack, and/or brought it up again when Jacob appeared at the lighthouse. Since when have these guys been in the habit of sharing important info? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-5-lighthouse/530167.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-5-lighthouse/530167.md?page=7)