# LOST 6.6 "Sundown"
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-6-sundown/531026
**Category:** Cafe Society
**Created:** [March 2, 2010, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-6-sundown/531026 "2010-03-02T18:47:57Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@Trion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trion)
#### Post date: [March 2, 2010, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-6-sundown/531026/1 "2010-03-02T18:47:57Z")
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Previously on LOST:
Jack climbed to the top of the island lighthouse and said “Hey! I can see my house from here!” And then, because it couldn’t possibly provide any useful information, he smashed it all to pieces.
Episode Summary for tonight:
Sayid faces a difficult decision; Claire sends a warning to the temple inhabitants.
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**Here are some interesting external links:**
[The Tail Section](http://www.thetailsection.com/): Excellent site for still frame photos of key scenes, along with some good analysis. But… beware of spoilers!
[Sledgeweb’s Lost… Stuff](http://lost.cubit.net/): Pretty good site, but again beware of spoilers. I use it mainly for the Timeline section, which is an incredibly detailed breakdown of “how long since…?” for almost anything you can think of (pre- and post-plane crash).
[Door Map from Episode 2.17](http://www.thetailsection.com/uploaded_images/cleanwall-707484.jpg). A nicely cleaned up version of the diagram Locke saw while pinned under the lockdown doors. No spoilers.
[Lostpedia](http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Main_Page): The wikipedia of Lost information. Quite a comprehensive site, but beware of spoilers!
[ThEmIsFiTiShErE](http://themisfitishere.blogspot.com/): The Misfit offers his whacky commentary on “Lost”. Is he a nut-case or a clever insider? Careful, though, possible spoilers.
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### Author:  [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)
#### Post date: [March 2, 2010, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-6-sundown/531026/2 "2010-03-02T19:21:39Z")
I would have guessed a Jin/Sun episode based on the title. Those are sooooo boring. However, it seems it is a Sayid-centric, and we all know those rock!
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### Author:  [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)
#### Post date: [March 2, 2010, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-6-sundown/531026/3 "2010-03-02T19:59:01Z")
A friend told me (don’t know if he was correct) that this season’s episodes were being done in the same order as the first season’s (i.e., first a Locke-centered episode, then a Kate-centered episode, etc. - I realize this may not be the correct order; just using to illustrate). Anybody else notice this? Does tonight’s (assuming the alternate timeline story focuses on Sayid, which isn’t necessarily the case) episode follow this pattern?
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### Author:  [@GilaB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GilaB)
#### Post date: [March 2, 2010, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-6-sundown/531026/4 "2010-03-02T20:36:46Z")
They’ve followed that pattern thus far, but it seems to be diverging here. A two-part pilot not focusing on any single character, then a Kate episode, a Locke episode, and a Jack episode. In season 1, the fifth episode focused on Sun, while this one seems to focus on Sayid, although the title implies Sun. In any case, the sixth episode of season one was Charlie-centric, which seems unlikely (although not impossible) now, being that Charlie is dead in the Island timeline. I suppose you could cut back and forth between Charlie’s flashsideways existence and someone else on the Island, although that would break with the pattern established thus far this season. Also, Charlie has another job, on Flash Forward, and might not be available for such a big block of time as would be needed to film a while episode.
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### Author:  [@Bearflag70](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bearflag70)
#### Post date: [March 2, 2010, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-6-sundown/531026/5 "2010-03-02T20:40:35Z")
> [@GilaB](#):
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> Charlie is dead
:eek: Spoiler alert! 😉
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### Author:  [@Rushgeekgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rushgeekgirl)
#### Post date: [March 2, 2010, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-6-sundown/531026/6 "2010-03-02T20:56:08Z")
I’ve got a bad feeling about Sayid tonight. I haven’t read any spoilers, I just have a bad feeling.
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### Author:  [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)
#### Post date: [March 2, 2010, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-6-sundown/531026/7 "2010-03-02T21:56:20Z")
> [@Rushgeekgirl](#):
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> I’ve got a bad feeling about Sayid tonight. I haven’t read any spoilers, I just have a bad feeling.
This addresses something I have been wondering about. Will the producers kill off any of the main characters the rest of the way? If you’ve made it to season 6 are you somewhat safe? I’m not talking about unimportant secondary characters (I’m betting Dogan is a dead man!) I’m talking big guns.
If anyone died (no spoilers offered or wanted), I’d say it would be from the following:
Richard- I’m predicting a Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade “He chose…poorly” moment.
Ben- I think Ben’s death is required for closure. I just hope it is in the last episode so we get to enjoy his gooey evil for the whole season. I also hope he doesn’t get a redeeming death. I’m concerned at how he has been painted somewhat sympathethic. Ben is in my alltime top ten best TV villains. I want him to go out evil.
Widmore- I could see Ben and Widmore going down with the ship together, perhaps.
Sayid- Same bad feeling as **Rushgeekgirl**
Claire- She’s gone dark
Jack- He’s such a tragic figure. I could see great symmetry given that his character was originally supposed to die in the pilot, of killing him off in the finale.
Frank- I don’t want Frank to die. He’s the second most likable character on the show (if you do not know who is #1, please stop watching Lost), but he’s also the most expandable.
People Unlikely to die:
Sun/Jin- I think they are getting a happily ever after
Hurley- I think fans would revolt.
Desmond/Penny- I think happy couples get happy endings…except poor Juliet…
Vincent- He’s indestructible.
Not sure:
Kate- I could see it. However, I think she is Eve of Adam and Eve, so I do not know what to make of that.
Sawyer- He could go out guns blazing.
Miles- He’s been a background player this season. The whole show has been a blood bath for five seasons. I could see them popping him just to increase the body count.
Walt/Aaron/Baby Kwon- I tend to think kids do not get killed, but it depends on their role in the overall storyline.
Rose/Bernard- I thought last season’s beachside sendoff was the last we would see of them. But with Bernard in Locke’s flash sideways, maybe not.
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### Author:  [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)
#### Post date: [March 2, 2010, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-6-sundown/531026/8 "2010-03-02T22:16:41Z")
> [@middleman](#):
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> Rose/Bernard- I thought last season’s beachside sendoff was the last we would see of them. But with Bernard in Locke’s flash sideways, maybe not.
Correction. We saw Rose.
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### Author:  [@GilaB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GilaB)
#### Post date: [March 2, 2010, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-6-sundown/531026/9 "2010-03-02T22:21:52Z")
We also saw both Rose and Bernard in the Flashsideways of this season’s pilot.
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### Author:  [@BMada](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BMada)
#### Post date: [March 2, 2010, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-6-sundown/531026/10 "2010-03-02T22:27:14Z")
if you live in Canada, CTV is showing Lost at 7PM EST before American Idol. We get 2hour head start on US with new episode of Lost this week.
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### Author:  [@Rushgeekgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rushgeekgirl)
#### Post date: [March 2, 2010, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-6-sundown/531026/11 "2010-03-02T22:32:37Z")
I should clarify. I don’t think Sayid will die tonight (again!). I just think he’s going to do something regrettable.
I’m really trying to stay away from spoilers this season so I could be totally off.
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### Author:  [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)
#### Post date: [March 2, 2010, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-6-sundown/531026/12 "2010-03-02T22:37:49Z")
> [@GilaB](#):
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> We also saw both Rose and Bernard in the Flashsideways of this season’s pilot.
True enough. Correction added to my correction! 😃
However, I could somewhat overlook the plane scene in isolation. Rose being there almost felt like original footage. A convenient and memorable way to instantly illustrate that the plane hadn’t crashed.
But seeing her show up in an off plane, off island storyline makes me think we might see the pair again ON island.
[sub]My rambling statement could only possibly make sense to Lost fans…[/sub]
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### Author:  [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)
#### Post date: [March 2, 2010, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-6-sundown/531026/13 "2010-03-02T22:43:39Z")
> [@middleman](#):
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> Frank- I don’t want Frank to die. He’s the second most likable character on the show (if you do not know who is #1, please stop watching Lost), but he’s also the most expandable.
If anyone’s expandable, it’s Hurley.
…
Apropos of nothing, I was going over some old threads and I bumped into this old post of mine, dated June 3 2005:
> [@Lost 1.24/1.25: "Exodus, Part Two"](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-24-1-25-exodus-part-two/305300/421):
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> Seriously - my theory is that the island is a prison, holding some sort of dark god. The TCM is the jailer; the Others are its worshipers. And Locke has just freed it.
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> (Or perhaps two gods? One dark, one good, following the black/white motif).
Not bad, huh? I mean, I got the details wrong, but other than that I pretty much nailed a central tenant of the show’s mythology, 4 and a half years ago.
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### Author:  [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)
#### Post date: [March 2, 2010, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-6-sundown/531026/14 "2010-03-02T22:46:24Z")
Now I’ve got that Gordon Lightfoot song going through my head… ☹
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### Author:  [@Winston\_Bongo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Winston_Bongo)
#### Post date: [March 2, 2010, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-6-sundown/531026/15 "2010-03-02T23:13:26Z")
How many episodes do we have left after this one? Ten? Eleven?
I really, really, _really_ hope we see some actual story progression tonight. So far the season has been alternately fascinating and maddening, but I still don’t see signs of an actual ending, with actual closure, anywhere on the horizon. We’re five episodes in and still haven’t gotten a whole lot of answers. We know the numbers correspond in some way to six of the Losties, and Smoky is trying to escape from the Island (probably), but other than that we’re still in the dark on most of the big questions.
Oh, and if Jack bites the dust, I for one will shed no tears. The man is consistently dumber than a box of rocks.
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### Author:  [@Arcite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arcite)
#### Post date: [March 2, 2010, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-6-sundown/531026/16 "2010-03-02T23:25:11Z")
> [@Winston\_Bongo](#):
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> How many episodes do we have left after this one? Ten? Eleven?
>
> I really, really, _really_ hope we see some actual story progression tonight. So far the season has been alternately fascinating and maddening, but I still don’t see signs of an actual ending, with actual closure, anywhere on the horizon. We’re five episodes in and still haven’t gotten a whole lot of answers. We know the numbers correspond in some way to six of the Losties, and Smoky is trying to escape from the Island (probably), but other than that we’re still in the dark on most of the big questions.
>
> Oh, and if Jack bites the dust, I for one will shed no tears. The man is consistently dumber than a box of rocks.
I agree; I’ve been frustrated by how slowly the story has gone this season. I mean, I don’t expect answers to all the big questions when we’re less than halfway through the final season, but I would at least like the story to progress. Last episode, virtually all the on-island time consisted of Jack and Hurley walking across the island, and Claire terrorizing that Other she captured. Almost nothing actually _happened!_
And on that note, does anyone else not care for the flash-sideways at all? At this point I couldn’t care less about an off-island storyline, no matter who the featured character is. I just want to find out what happens on the island.
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### Author:  [@Justin\_Credible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Credible)
#### Post date: [March 3, 2010, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-6-sundown/531026/17 "2010-03-03T01:59:01Z")
[quote=“Winston\_Bongo, post:15, topic:531026”]
How many episodes do we have left after this one? Ten? Eleven?
Twelve, I think. I’m pretty sure this season is 18 episodes total.
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### Author:  [@Justin\_Credible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Credible)
#### Post date: [March 3, 2010, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-6-sundown/531026/18 "2010-03-03T02:09:32Z")
Wow, that was the most action this show’s had since the initial plane crash.
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### Author:  [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)
#### Post date: [March 3, 2010, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-6-sundown/531026/19 "2010-03-03T02:20:35Z")
the ominious baseball of doom, dropping to the floor with meaningful abandon?
So now ninja-boy wants Sayid to go kill Smocke? Yeah, if I were Sayid, I’d be rather skeptical on that note, too. And that answer would not have satisfied me (“You say you still have good in you? Prove it.”) Me (if I were Sayid): “Ex-fuckin-splain yourself, Ninja-Boy”
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### Author:  [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)
#### Post date: [March 3, 2010, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-6-sundown/531026/20 "2010-03-03T02:24:53Z")
Miles: “Sawyer sent you packing, huh?” nice… perceptive.
“She just strolled in here, acting all weird. Still hot, though.” hahahaha – Miles has some good lines tonight.
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