# Lost 6.7 "Dr. Linus" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 9, 2010, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-7-dr-linus/531891 "2010-03-09T19:02:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2010, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-7-dr-linus/531891/41 "2010-03-10T06:10:49Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > I’m also convinced by the theory someone tossed out either last week or the week before saying that the sideways-verse isn’t really an ATL…it’s how the series will end. Sounds similar to one of the theories I proposed in the season premiere thread, here: [See Monstre Theory #1](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12070512&postcount=108) > [@](#): > > I was a huge proponent of the “MIB/Fake Locke is the good guy” theory but now I’m not so sure. While those are kind of fun to consider, I’ve pretty much been convinced Jacob will be the “good” guy (your milage on the word “good” may vary). Here are some reasons: - Right now, Smokey is making his team seem awfully attractive. I’ll give you the choice to leave the temple, before I come in and kill whoever’s left. I’ll let you live – just join me, and we’ll get off this island. I can help you… yadda yadda. He’s very good at tempting, and making it sound oh so reasonable. The evil dudes in stories always are. - In last season’s finale, the Jacob/Esau conversation – I still think very important. Esau/Smoky said “it always ends the same”. Jacob said “It only ends once. Everything else is progress.” To me, this implies that Jacob sees farther to the endgame, and understands some things that Esau/Smokey doesn’t. Including some bad things that will probably have to happen, on the ROAD to the ultimate end that Jacob is pushing for. And along these lines… - An interesting parallel… (Next item spoiler-boxed just in case there’s actually anybody remaining who has NOT yet finished the Harry Potter books – no Lost spoilerage inside, just HP…) [spoiler]- Jacob’s death reminds me kind of Dumbledore’s death. Dumbledore allows himself to be killed, knowing that it’s inevitable (given the situation he was in)… and to some extent kind of necessary for Harry to achieve final victory over Voldemort. I also figured, when I heard there would be another major death with book 6 was released, that it would be Dumbledore. Why? Plotwise, it was necessary to make the danger for Harry completely real. Up until then, no matter how strong Voldy got – there was always one dude more powerful – Dumbledore. He had to go, so that Harry would have to stand on his own, with nobody to protect him from the ultimate danger this time. JACOB – same thing. Jacob probably knew he was going to die, while hoping that perhaps he wouldn’t have to? But quite possibly necessary for the endgame to go his way. And in terms of plot – NOW the danger is way more real. With Smoky kicking ass all over the island and tearing apart Jacob’s former followers[/spoiler] - Smocke is clearly winning right now. Kicking lots of Other ass. Destroying the temple. Converting new followers. Having assloads of power. All Jacob’s side has is a few bedraggled folks on the beach. They have a few guns, but bullets bounce off of Smocke. If Smocke is the good guy, he’s winning way too easily right now for the conflict / stakes / danger to feel real for the “good guys”, from a storytelling aspect. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2010, 6:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-7-dr-linus/531891/42 "2010-03-10T06:14:54Z")
> [@BMada](#): > > ilana doesn’t know that yet though. > > So i think the six I listed is what she’s going on because that’s what Jacob told her before this whole mess happened. Looks to me as if Jack and Hurley are the leading candidates but who knows with Lost. The “six” that we saw listed a few episodes back (on the cave ceiling, shown to Sawyer by Smocke) – which corresponded to our numbers (4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42): Ford (Sawyer) Reyes (Hurley) Kwon (Jin or Sun?) Locke Shepherd Jarrah Kate’s name wasn’t on one of those numbers. Although she’s definitely still alive, so I don’t know if she’s actually still a candidate or not. And obviously real Locke is dead now. But those were the 6 they made a point of showing us – corresponding to our favorite numbers. ---
**Author:** ![BMada](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/96bed5/32.png) [@BMada](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BMada)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2010, 6:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-7-dr-linus/531891/43 "2010-03-10T06:27:52Z")
I would think Ilana would know about Locke not being a candidate anymore from his dead body. So the six need to be people that are alive and she’s referring to: what you posted Ford Reyes Shepard Jarrah Kwon (counted as two or counted as one with Kate) Kate ( i think she was on the lighthouse gear wheel, just not a number on the cave wall) ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2010, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-7-dr-linus/531891/44 "2010-03-10T06:32:34Z")
> [@BMada](#): > > I would think Ilana would know about Locke not being a candidate anymore from his dead body. So the six need to be people that are alive and she’s referring to: > > what you posted > > Ford > Reyes > Shepard > Jarrah > Kwon (counted as two or counted as one with Kate) > > Kate ( i think she was on the lighthouse gear wheel, just not a number on the cave wall) Right – she was probably on the cave wall, too. They just didn’t make a point of showing her specifically in that one – and she didn’t correspond to one of our six “numbers” (4 8 15 16 23 42). ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2010, 6:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-7-dr-linus/531891/45 "2010-03-10T06:37:54Z")
I was just thinking about how glad I am that they are bringing Widmore back into the story. I was worried that his part of the storyline was being abandoned, and after they made such a big deal of building up the Ben / Widmore conflict in the last couple of seasons. And then another thought occurred to me. I bet Widmore is the one Jacob was talking about – when in “The Lighthouse” episode he told Hurley, “There’s someone coming to the island” (and the mission he ostensibly sent them to the lighthouse for – to help this person find his way there). After all, Widmore was once a leader of Others, in Jacob’s camp. ---
**Author:** ![BMada](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/96bed5/32.png) [@BMada](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BMada)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2010, 6:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-7-dr-linus/531891/46 "2010-03-10T06:37:59Z")
actually let me go out on a limb and use that “korean culture” thing Kwon = Jin Paik would be Sun So the 6 are Reyes Ford Jarrah Shepard Kate Jin ---
**Author:** ![Lakai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@Lakai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lakai)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2010, 6:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-7-dr-linus/531891/47 "2010-03-10T06:48:58Z")
Great episode. Used the parallel reality nicely to tell the story. In both realities Locke is the one that tempts Ben with power. Only in the 2007 time line Smocke was a lot more calculating. Using what he knows is Ben’s weakness - hunger for power - to manipulate Ben to meet his ends. It looks like Ben resisted, but can we trust him? Kate is the sixth candidate. She was on the wheel at number 51. ---
**Author:** ![brickbacon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@brickbacon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brickbacon)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2010, 6:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-7-dr-linus/531891/48 "2010-03-10T06:51:58Z")
While this episode was entertaining, the twist with the principal didn’t make any sense. The principal had no leverage whatsoever. There was no reason for Ben to back off his demands at all. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2010, 7:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-7-dr-linus/531891/49 "2010-03-10T07:00:20Z")
> [@brickbacon](#): > > While this episode was entertaining, the twist with the principal didn’t make any sense. The principal had no leverage whatsoever. There was no reason for Ben to back off his demands at all. I was thinking that Ben could have just pretended to back off, long enough to get the good recommendation letter for Alex. Once she was safely accepted to Yale, he could easily bring his demands back… ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Q](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/898d66/32.png) [@Johnny\_Q](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Q)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2010, 7:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-7-dr-linus/531891/50 "2010-03-10T07:05:28Z")
Does anyone think Widmore was the one Jacob wanted to lead to the island? ---
**Author:** ![BMada](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/96bed5/32.png) [@BMada](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BMada)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2010, 7:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-7-dr-linus/531891/51 "2010-03-10T07:06:49Z")
isn’t his backing off supposed to be some sort of penance or change of heart to the good side? Compared to Sayid going to the dark side from last week. Sayid chose to kill the Keamy team in the restaurant kitchen and then became part of the dark side on the island. Ben chose not to be a power hungry ass to take over principal duties and on the island went with Ilana. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2010, 7:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-7-dr-linus/531891/52 "2010-03-10T07:56:36Z")
> [@Johnny\_Q](#): > > Does anyone think Widmore was the one Jacob wanted to lead to the island? Ummm… [yes](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12207537&postcount=45). ---
**Author:** ![jackdavinci](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackdavinci/32/3259_2.png) [@jackdavinci](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jackdavinci)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2010, 9:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-7-dr-linus/531891/53 "2010-03-10T09:44:34Z")
> [@BMada](#): > > Sawyer > Sayid > Jack > Hurley > Jin and Sun counted as two? > perhaps Kate is there? although she wasn’t part of the numbers but was on the lighthouse wheel. Not too sure. The producers have said that she was on the cave wall too but didn’t make thee diting cut. So I guess Ford, Jarrah, Shepard, Reyes, Kwon, Austen… ---
**Author:** ![ekweizn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7c8e57/32.png) [@ekweizn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekweizn)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2010, 11:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-7-dr-linus/531891/54 "2010-03-10T11:05:56Z")
I think that Kwon refers to Jin–of the living candidates considered “candidates”, Sun is the only one that didn’t flash back to 1977 Dharma and participate in the (hypothesized) creation of the alternate timeline. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2010, 11:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-7-dr-linus/531891/55 "2010-03-10T11:40:32Z")
> [@ekweizn](#): > > I think that Kwon refers to Jin–of the living candidates considered “candidates”, Sun is the only one that didn’t flash back to 1977 Dharma and participate in the (hypothesized) creation of the alternate timeline. I was thinking the same thing. And man, Alex looks way too old to be playing a high schooler. What’s Walt look like these days? ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2010, 12:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-7-dr-linus/531891/56 "2010-03-10T12:01:32Z")
Hurley - “Ok, when you guys are done I’ll be over about a mile away from here.” ---
**Author:** ![UncleRojelio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/unclerojelio/32/3160_2.png) [@UncleRojelio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleRojelio)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2010, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-7-dr-linus/531891/57 "2010-03-10T13:32:24Z")
I don’t know about the rest of you, but my biggest WTF? moment of the episode was during the opening credits. Directed by Mario van Pebbles? Really? I haven’t seen that name in years. He isn’t listed as the director on IMDB (some guy named Bobby Roth is) but that is what it says onscreen. I just rewatched to make sure I wasn’t hallucinating. ---
**Author:** ![Shoeless](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shoeless/32/7099_2.png) [@Shoeless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shoeless)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2010, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-7-dr-linus/531891/58 "2010-03-10T14:35:10Z")
Isn’t Frank Lapidus a candidate? I thought in one of last season’s episodes, where he was pretending to be asleep in the canoe while Ilana and Bram were talking about him, that one of them mentioned that he was a candidate. I don’t recall seeing his name on the cave wall or in the lighthouse anywhere, though. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2010, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-7-dr-linus/531891/59 "2010-03-10T14:35:41Z")
> [@UncleRojelio](#): > > Directed by Mario van Pebbles? Really? I’ll avoid the _Flintstones_ gag and just point out that a director with daddy issues is a great choice for this show. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2010, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-7-dr-linus/531891/60 "2010-03-10T14:53:41Z")
> [@Monstre](#): > > The principal was [William Atherton](http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0040472/), who was also Richard Thornburg, asshole reporter in the first two Die Hard movies. He’s also famous for his [lack of penis](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-b-CfHbPGQ&feature=related). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-7-dr-linus/531891.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-7-dr-linus/531891.md?page=4)