# Lost 6.7 "Dr. Linus" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 9, 2010, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-7-dr-linus/531891 "2010-03-09T19:02:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2010, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-7-dr-linus/531891/61 "2010-03-10T14:56:17Z")
I liked the symmetry of going from scenes of Arzdt to dynamite **not** exploding. šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![crazyjoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f14d63/32.png) [@crazyjoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crazyjoe)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2010, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-7-dr-linus/531891/62 "2010-03-10T16:03:05Z")
> [@BMada](#): > > actually let me go out on a limb and use that ā€œkorean cultureā€ thing > > Kwon = Jin > > Paik would be Sun > > So the 6 are > > Reyes > Ford > Jarrah > Shepard > > Kate > Jin I donā€™t know if I would do this, since Illana specifically said that both Sun and Jin were named Kwon and she didnā€™t know if she needed to protect one or both of them. And since she said this to Sun, who didnā€™t correct her, I am going to bet itā€™s ā€œcanonā€ so to speak. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2010, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-7-dr-linus/531891/63 "2010-03-10T16:18:42Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Heā€™s also famous for his [lack of penis](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-b-CfHbPGQ&feature=related). Dammit, I wanted to be the first with the Dickless reference. I think in a way that Dr Linus gets the best of both worlds, in Sideways World. He gets to manipulate Principal Dickless into getting out of detention, without having to do all that nasty administrative stuff. I was startled when Ben and his father referred to Dharma. Isnā€™t the island underwater in Sideways? Does this mean that it sank suddenly and after the Dharma people were there? Islands donā€™t generally sink, Atlantis notwithstanding. ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2010, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-7-dr-linus/531891/64 "2010-03-10T16:23:24Z")
A good episode. Perhaps the best of the ATLs, but still what does it accomplish. Without some context as to the importance of the ATLs, it is hard to appreciate them. Sure, I might retroactively be blown away by a future revelation and think how clever. But week to week, it seems like a waste of time. A few random thoughts: - I was SO hoping the sub would have a Dharma logo on it. After our discussion last week, I am looking for ANY signs that we will get a FEW more answers regarding the DI. Yet, Widmore was the next best thing. - Regarding the resolution of minutia, I am coming to terms with my inner fanwank, and appreciating the producerā€™s disinterest in resolving every little mystery (e.g. Henry Gale). I came to this conclusion last night when the diamond issue came up between Miles and Ben. I thought it was brilliant, but my wife didnā€™t remember what it was about. I reminded her of Nikki and Paulo and the spider bite. She said it might sound vaguely familiar, but I think she was humoring me. Sheā€™s watched every episode, but only once. And she has NEVER looked at a Lost website or MB. If my wife, who watches every episosde and is a bright person, doesnā€™t remember characters who were featured in an episode all their own, then maybe the causual viewer doesnā€™t care about a fat black guy who never appeared in the show anywhere but on a driverā€™s license. - That said, I think the DI is importantā€¦ - Anyone have any opinion on how Alex wound up in LA speaking English? If the island was sunk in the 70ā€™s, the French team never landed there. If so, Alex (whose last name is still Rosseau) should have been raised by (N)CFL and have a roaring French accent. - Any apparence by Artz is much appreciated. Though he may not need the work soon. He played Leno in the HBO original film, the Late Shift about the scheming behind Leno getting Carsonā€™s job over Letterman. Surely, they will make a sequel now that there is new material!šŸ˜ƒ > [@Monstre](#): > > Jack: ā€œWanna try another stick?ā€ > Jack getting his faith back? The crazier Jack gets, the more interesting he becomes. I think his mad-eyed approach to this season is incredibly realistic. Heā€™s seen some bizarre shit, and heā€™s just throwing logic out the window. It makes me really respect MFoxā€™s acting ability because it is really a whole new character. I especially liked his handling of Hurelyā€™s lying (any scene where Hurley is attempting deception is an instant classic). > [@Monstre](#): > > - An interesting parallelā€¦ > (Next item spoiler-boxed just in case thereā€™s actually anybody remaining who has NOT yet finished the Harry Potter books ā€“ no Lost spoilerage inside, just HPā€¦) > > - Jacobā€™s death reminds me kind of Dumbledoreā€™s death. Dumbledore allows himself to be killed, knowing that itā€™s inevitable (given the situation he was in)ā€¦ and to some extent kind of necessary for Harry to achieve final victory over Voldemort. I also figured, when I heard there would be another major death with book 6 was released, that it would be Dumbledore. Why? Plotwise, it was necessary to make the danger for Harry completely real. Up until then, no matter how strong Voldy got ā€“ there was always one dude more powerful ā€“ Dumbledore. He had to go, so that Harry would have to stand on his own, with nobody to protect him from the ultimate danger this time. I have not read the HP books yet, but I already knew that. Isnā€™t it very similar to: Obi Won Kenobi, who Hurley referenced, who was more powerful when struck down and was able to guide/inspire Luke to meet his potential of defeating the Emperor/Vadar? Also, do we give any credence to Mileā€™s comment that Jacob didnā€™t want Ben to kill him? Miles seems like a straight shooter here. If so, it negates the Kenobidorf theoryā€¦ > [@BMada](#): > > actually let me go out on a limb and use that ā€œkorean cultureā€ thing > > Kwon = Jin > > Paik would be Sun > > So the 6 are > > Reyes > Ford > Jarrah > Shepard > > Kate > Jin Twice theyā€™ve made it an issue of which Kwon it is, implying Sun or Jin. What if it is neither? What if the Kwon in question is the baby back off the island? Widmore and Sun were working together. What if Widmore brought the baby with him and she is in the sub? Chew that over! > [@Larry\_Mudd](#): > > Iā€™ll avoid the _Flintstones_ gag and just point out that a director with daddy issues is a great choice for this show. I noticed MVP as well. But \*\*Larry Mudd \*\* wins the thread with his comment on MVPā€™s BADASSSSS daddy issues. > [@Alessan](#): > > Heā€™s also famous for his [lack of penis](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-b-CfHbPGQ&feature=related). I knew he looked familiar but didnā€™t make the connection! One of the best comeback lines ever! Ghostbuster, one of the reasons they invented the PG-13 rating! ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2010, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-7-dr-linus/531891/65 "2010-03-10T16:23:38Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > Dammit, I wanted to be the first with the Dickless reference. > > I think in a way that Dr Linus gets the best of both worlds, in Sideways World. He gets to manipulate Principal Dickless into getting out of detention, without having to do all that nasty administrative stuff. > > I was startled when Ben and his father referred to Dharma. Isnā€™t the island underwater in Sideways? Does this mean that it sank suddenly and after the Dharma people were there? Islands donā€™t generally sink, Atlantis notwithstanding. Well, they went there and left. Unless it was the wrong island, weā€™re talking about The Island. So, it definitely did sink. Keep in mind, as well, that the island we were shown underwater had New Otherton, including an easily-identified swingset. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2010, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-7-dr-linus/531891/66 "2010-03-10T16:28:18Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > I think in a way that Dr Linus gets the best of both worlds, in Sideways World. He gets to manipulate Principal Dickless into getting out of detention, without having to do all that nasty administrative stuff. Wasnā€™t it funny when Ben was scheming to take over the islandā€¦errā€¦ high school. It is so in his blood! > [@](#): > > I was startled when Ben and his father referred to Dharma. Isnā€™t the island underwater in Sideways? Does this mean that it sank suddenly and after the Dharma people were there? Islands donā€™t generally sink, Atlantis notwithstanding. Iā€™m guessing this confirms that the island sank when the Losties detonated Jughead. Ben and Roger must have escaped. Though how is unclear as I think Ben was still at the Temple at the time. ---
**Author:** ![BubbaDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bubbadog/32/333_2.png) [@BubbaDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BubbaDog)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2010, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-7-dr-linus/531891/67 "2010-03-10T16:34:59Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Heā€™s also famous for his [lack of penis](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-b-CfHbPGQ&feature=related). Actually, in the movie ā€œ[Real Genius](http://amazon.imdb.com/title/tt0089886/quotes?qt0435746)ā€ he was suspected of hammering a 6 inch spike through a board with his penis. (not in the quote, but he got the girl) And Benā€™s dad (John Gries) played the guy who ruined his house with a giant popcorn bomb. They both look a lot different in LOST. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2010, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-7-dr-linus/531891/68 "2010-03-10T16:41:24Z")
> [@BubbaDog](#): > > Actually, in the movie ā€œ[Real Genius](http://amazon.imdb.com/title/tt0089886/quotes?qt0435746)ā€ he was suspected of hammering a 6 inch spike through a board with his penis. (not in the quote, but he got the girl) > > And Benā€™s dad (John Gries) played the guy who ruined his house with a giant popcorn bomb. > > They both look a lot different in LOST. Shoot, you JUST beat me w/ the REAL GENIUS connections. Anyone think that Hurley is going to be the next Richard alongside ā€œNew Jacobā€? Think about itā€¦ The old ā€œHow come Hurley never loses any weight on the island?ā€ question is answeredā€¦ Richard never ages and Hurley never loses weight. Think about it. ---
**Author:** ![Nature\_s\_Call](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nature_s_call/32/19006_2.png) [@Nature\_s\_Call](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nature_s_Call)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2010, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-7-dr-linus/531891/69 "2010-03-10T17:03:33Z")
> [@middleman](#): > > The crazier Jack gets, the more interesting he becomes. I think his mad-eyed approach to this season is incredibly realistic. I came in to say this, but you said it better. Foxā€™s performance was wonderful - his serenity in the knowledge the dynamite wonā€™t kill him clashed with the doubts anyone in that bizarre situation would inevitiably have - all of that written on his face. Wonderful. And in the same episode thatā€™s already full of Emerson acting goodness! Makes one almost forget my laundry list of unanswered questions and simply enjoy the ride. Almost šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2010, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-7-dr-linus/531891/70 "2010-03-10T17:23:22Z")
> [@Shoeless](#): > > Isnā€™t Frank Lapidus a candidate? I thought in one of last seasonā€™s episodes, where he was pretending to be asleep in the canoe while Ilana and Bram were talking about him, that one of them mentioned that he was a candidate. > > I donā€™t recall seeing his name on the cave wall or in the lighthouse anywhere, though. Bram said they didnā€™t know if he was a candidate or not. > [@middleman](#): > > Iā€™m guessing this confirms that the island sank when the Losties detonated Jughead. Ben and Roger must have escaped. Though how is unclear as I think Ben was still at the Temple at the time. The way Roget talked about leaving the island, he made it sound like he chose to leave. So Iā€™m thinking that the island sinking didnā€™t happen right after the bomb went off. There was a delayed reaction. Which means if Hawking and Widmore got off the island, they could be the key to the ATL. Theyā€™ll remember Jack and Sayid going to blow up the bomb. ---
**Author:** ![Sparky812](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eb9ed0/32.png) [@Sparky812](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sparky812)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2010, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-7-dr-linus/531891/71 "2010-03-10T17:27:09Z")
> [@middleman](#): > > Twice theyā€™ve made it an issue of which Kwon it is, implying Sun or Jin. What if it is neither? What if the Kwon in question is the baby back off the island? Widmore and Sun were working together. What if Widmore brought the baby with him and she is in the sub? Chew that over! Iā€™ve been thinking this all along since the baby was conceived before they came to the island and could have been chosen by Jacob. (not sure how he might have ā€œtouchedā€ her though. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2010, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-7-dr-linus/531891/72 "2010-03-10T17:29:30Z")
> [@middleman](#): > > The crazier Jack gets, the more interesting he becomes. I think his mad-eyed approach to this season is incredibly realistic. Heā€™s seen some bizarre shit, and heā€™s just throwing logic out the window. It makes me really respect MFoxā€™s acting ability because it is really a whole new character. I especially liked his handling of Hurelyā€™s lying (any scene where Hurley is attempting deception is an instant classic). Seconded. The actor is great. Actually I like Kateā€™s actress too. I hate Kate-the-Character, but whatshername, the actress, is doing a wonderful job portraying a fairly loathsome character. > [@](#): > > Twice theyā€™ve made it an issue of which Kwon it is, implying Sun or Jin. What if it is neither? What if the Kwon in question is the baby back off the island? Widmore and Sun were working together. What if Widmore brought the baby with him and she is in the sub? Chew that over! Oooh! I like that. And if Little Turniphead and Big Old Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaalt are there too, we could get a lot of resolution on a bunch of issues. (The ā€œRaised By Anotherā€ thing from the psychic is a MAJOR unresolved issue as are Waaaaaaaaaltā€™s super-powers.) ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2010, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-7-dr-linus/531891/73 "2010-03-10T17:42:05Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > Well, they went there and left. Unless it was the wrong island, weā€™re talking about The Island. So, it definitely did sink. > > Keep in mind, as well, that the island we were shown underwater had New Otherton, including an easily-identified swingset. > > -Joe My take is that the timeline was altered some time in the '50s: maybe Mommy Locke wasnā€™t hit by that car or something. If so, then time could have just slightly shifted here and there: Daddy Locke might have stuck around and therefore not have been a few hours late to a meeting with Mommy Sawyer and not started the chain of events that led to Mommy and Daddy Sawyerā€™s death etc. If so, then the ripples could have affected Daddy Linus and made him a lot less of a dickā€“they went to the island, Daddy Linus rather than sticking around as a workman decided to leave and find a better job and not been on the island when it sunk after the bomb blew up in 1977. ---
**Author:** ![Diceman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Diceman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diceman)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2010, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-7-dr-linus/531891/74 "2010-03-10T17:49:41Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > The way Roger talked about leaving the island, he made it sound like he chose to leave. So Iā€™m thinking that the island sinking didnā€™t happen right after the bomb went off. There was a delayed reaction. > > Which means if Hawking and Widmore got off the island, they could be the key to the ATL. Theyā€™ll remember Jack and Sayid going to blow up the bomb. Iā€™m wondering if maybe the Island sank slowly, like a ship with a leak that canā€™t be plugged (hmmmā€¦) It looks now like Daniel should be alive in the alternate timeline. I wonder if heā€™s going to end up going back in time to stop the Losties from sinking the Island, and in the process destroy the happier alternate timeline. I really like how Esau/MiB tried to temp Ben with the offer of power. I know heā€™s the bad guy now. Claire, Sayid, Ben; all have been offered the thing they want the most (Aaron, Nadia, and power). Ironically, it is Ben who is strong enough to refuse. Esau said that his group will be on the Hydra Island. In last seasonā€™s finale, he told Richard that the survivors of the Ajira flight would have to be ā€œtaken care of.ā€ He wants to kill them, and now he has a goon squad to do the dirty work for him. ---
**Author:** ![CoolHandCox](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coolhandcox/32/16233_2.png) [@CoolHandCox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CoolHandCox)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2010, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-7-dr-linus/531891/75 "2010-03-10T18:08:57Z")
> [@Diceman](#): > > I really like how Esau/MiB tried to temp Ben with the offer of power. I know heā€™s the bad guy now. Claire, Sayid, Ben; all have been offered the thing they want the most (Aaron, Nadia, and power). Ironically, it is Ben who is strong enough to refuse. I agree, but how do we reconcile this with Jacobā€™s offer to Dogen (bringing his son back to life). That seems like the same type of offer and it seems un-Jacob like. Or is it a more selfless offer? ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2010, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-7-dr-linus/531891/76 "2010-03-10T18:14:22Z")
I liked how they had Alt-Ben give his Alt-Dad gas (oxygen), only this time to keep him alive instead of to kill him. ---
**Author:** ![drastic\_quench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e36b37/32.png) [@drastic\_quench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drastic_quench)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2010, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-7-dr-linus/531891/77 "2010-03-10T18:16:31Z")
> [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > Whatā€™s Walt look like these days? Who? Oh, I didnā€™t recognize the name without the proper punctuation; you meant WALT! I have nothing relevant to add. I dug the Dr. Linus side story. It felt like Glee. ---
**Author:** ![GilaB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8e7dd6/32.png) [@GilaB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GilaB)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2010, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-7-dr-linus/531891/78 "2010-03-10T18:21:15Z")
> [@Sparky812](#): > > Iā€™ve been thinking this all along since the baby was conceived before they came to the island and could have been chosen by Jacob. (not sure how he might have ā€œtouchedā€ her though. The baby was definitely conceived on-Island; Juliet told Sun so when she snuck her into the medical station for an ultrasound. It was a big deal to Sun because it meant the baby was definitely Jinā€™s, even though heā€™d been infertile before coming to the Island, rather than that of the guy with whom sheā€™d been having an affair. ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2010, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-7-dr-linus/531891/79 "2010-03-10T18:31:39Z")
> [@HelloNinja](#): > > I liked how they had Alt-Ben give his Alt-Dad gas (oxygen), only this time to keep him alive instead of to kill him. I thought the same thing! Nice ironic twist! ---
**Author:** ![Sparky812](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eb9ed0/32.png) [@Sparky812](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sparky812)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2010, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-7-dr-linus/531891/80 "2010-03-10T18:38:34Z")
> [@GilaB](#): > > The baby was definitely conceived on-Island; Juliet told Sun so when she snuck her into the medical station for an ultrasound. It was a big deal to Sun because it meant the baby was definitely Jinā€™s, even though heā€™d been infertile before coming to the Island, rather than that of the guy with whom sheā€™d been having an affair. ``` I stand corrected! ``` I assumed that the baby was not conceived on the island since she and Sun survived when all ā€œthe othersā€ who had been pregnant had not, which was what Juliet was researching. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-7-dr-linus/531891.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-6-7-dr-linus/531891.md?page=5)